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The accepted use of the term "sex worker" instead of prostitute. Tell me if/why my stance on this is wrong.

DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell
It seems as if the term "sex worker" has become the societally accepted term over prostitute these days. It may not be as ubiquitous as other terminology, but it's pretty commonly used now. Especially if you frequent the true crime communities, it's basically mandated language now in those circles. And yes, it's widely used now instead of prostitutes, not just escorts for escort services. At least the latter I think you can have a much better case of the term being apropos.

Let me start by saying none of this is some life altering thing. I prefer the term prostitute for reasons I'll touch on in a sec, but I've never cared if people use the term sex worker. However, I frequent some true crime communities and have been "corrected" when I've used the term prostitute. By people in real life as well. So other people have kinda brought this debate to my doorstep rather than the other way around. I've debated people about this and why I prefer to use the term prostitute.

So the general idea for the term "sex worker" is it's a softer term with less stigma behind it and it's important to not judge or vilify people who are on the streets desperate and trying to make a buck to survive. And I agree that we shouldn't shame or demonize these people, because prostitution doesn't make someone a bad human being; it is important to stigmatize it. Prostitution is extremely dangerous. Especially for women, but even men who are into it. For a variety of reasons, it's one of the more dangerous things people can do. STDs, hygiene, a lot of prostitutes are heavily into drugs or forced into drugs by their pimps(if they have one). And getting into the car with complete strangers willing to break the law is always extremely dangerous. The fewer people who get into prostitution the better. Less risks = less death = a win. Do I think the terminology will drastically make a difference in that regard? No, but it can't hurt. Plus, in general, I just don't like the idea of destigmatizing something that is really dangerous even if my actions have zero net impact on anything. I just find it gross, I don't know how else to put it other than that.

And the other reason I dislike the term sex worker is that it isn't work. It's not official employment. It's illegal. It's no more work than being a drug dealer or an illegal gambler. Or someone who runs a dog fighting operation.

I even ran the question to ChatGPT to see what its take on the issue is. I realize it's not a person, but I've already debated people and found their arguments weak, so wanted to see what it would throw at me. I started off by asking if being a drug dealer is work and it said no. I said well then if being a drug dealer is work, then why do people call prostitutes "sex workers" if that is also illegal. Its response was:

1) It's consensual. It's two people mutually agreeing to exchange money for pleasure. This makes it different from drugs, which are illegal and also have severe health consequences. Ummm... prostitution is also illegal, so that argument is ❌ and prostitution also has severe health consequences so that argument is also❌

2) While prostitution is illegal, there are movements to try and get it decriminalized so they can improve their working conditions and stop their exploitation. There are also movements to decriminalize drugs. Hell, some cities in this country have already dabbled in it to varying degrees. And drug dealers don't exactly have ideal "working conditions" either. Also, drug dealers are also exploited. Another bunk argument.❌

3) Social stigma. It's important to recognize the challenges of.... [insert word salad here, you get the point]. And whether it's debating people online, people in person, or picking the "brain" of ChatGPT, this seems to be the best that anyone can offer. A bunch of arguments that are either factually wrong or don't hold up to scrutiny and it really just boils down to "sex worker is a more friendly term and we don't want to offend people."

Not to sound conceited, but I think the argument I laid out is far superior and makes much more logical sense. I realize not many people who post here probably give a single fuck about this topic or any of this, but if there is anyone here who does, I'd love for someone to explain to my how my position is wrong(if it's wrong). Maybe there's a side I haven't heard yet. Again, like I mentioned before, I don't think this is some noble cause or anything that we should be marching on the streets for. It's just simple terminology. But it did start to become a pet peeve of mine in recent years when I was being "corrected" by various people in conversations, and that's when I really started to gravitate toward this debate. And yes, I realize, I just wrote a several paragraphs analysis on the term prostitute vs sex worker on a Sunday morning that wasn't a college dissertation :messenger_sad_relieved:
 
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West Texas CEO

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We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
You've got some "my country is the only country" brain. Prostitution is legal to varying degrees in dozens of countries.

Sex worker is a term used to destigmatise all kids of sex work including stuff like Onlyfans.
 

Doom85

Member
“Hey, we’re getting pizza. What do you like on yours?”
DragoonKain: “Well, before I tell you, let me explain why this topping is my preferred choice.”
”Uh, yeah, that’s not necessary. Just tell us what you want.”
DragoonKain: “Naturally, it began with my childhood….”
”You know, Gary and Lisa skipped lunch, if we could hurry this along?”
DragoonKain: “And statistics have shown this topping stays warmer slightly longer than other toppings, so even a lengthy car ride will not…..”
 

22:22:22

Banned
“Hey, we’re getting pizza. What do you like on yours?”
DragoonKain: “Well, before I tell you, let me explain why this topping is my preferred choice.”
”Uh, yeah, that’s not necessary. Just tell us what you want.”
DragoonKain: “Naturally, it began with my childhood….”
”You know, Gary and Lisa skipped lunch, if we could hurry this along?”
DragoonKain: “And statistics have shown this topping stays warmer slightly longer than other toppings, so even a lengthy car ride will not…..”

Reminds me of a Bill Bur sketch lol
 

simpatico

Member
We've got two thousand years of implied data on sex work and it's effect on the people involved and society around it. Nearly unanimously every culture decided to suppress it. Yet in 2024 America we have this weird need to re-litigate every single norm that has ever been established. I guess the thinking is "maybe our ancestors were just meanie prudes". It's absolutely brain dead. So I guess we have to subject thousands if not millions to the pain of figuring out what has been long figured.
 

nush

Gold Member
It seems as if the term "sex worker" has become the societally accepted term over prostitute these days. It may not be as ubiquitous as other terminology, but it's pretty commonly used now. Especially if you frequent the true crime communities, it's basically mandated language now in those circles. And yes, it's widely used now instead of prostitutes, not just escorts for escort services. At least the latter I think you can have a much better case of the term being apropos.

Let me start by saying none of this is some life altering thing. I prefer the term prostitute for reasons I'll touch on in a sec, but I've never cared if people use the term sex worker. However, I frequent some true crime communities and have been "corrected" when I've used the term prostitute. By people in real life as well. So other people have kinda brought this debate to my doorstep rather than the other way around. I've debated people about this and why I prefer to use the term prostitute.

So the general idea for the term "sex worker" is it's a softer term with less stigma behind it and it's important to not judge or vilify people who are on the streets desperate and trying to make a buck to survive. And I agree that we shouldn't shame or demonize these people, because prostitution doesn't make someone a bad human being; it is important to stigmatize it. Prostitution is extremely dangerous. Especially for women, but even men who are into it. For a variety of reasons, it's one of the more dangerous things people can do. STDs, hygiene, a lot of prostitutes are heavily into drugs or forced into drugs by their pimps(if they have one). And getting into the car with complete strangers willing to break the law is always extremely dangerous. The fewer people who get into prostitution the better. Less risks = less death = a win. Do I think the terminology will drastically make a difference in that regard? No, but it can't hurt. Plus, in general, I just don't like the idea of destigmatizing something that is really dangerous even if my actions have zero net impact on anything. I just find it gross, I don't know how else to put it other than that.

And the other reason I dislike the term sex worker is that it isn't work. It's not official employment. It's illegal. It's no more work than being a drug dealer or an illegal gambler. Or someone who runs a dog fighting operation.

I even ran the question to ChatGPT to see what its take on the issue is. I realize it's not a person, but I've already debated people and found their arguments weak, so wanted to see what it would throw at me. I started off by asking if being a drug dealer is work and it said no. I said well then if being a drug dealer is work, then why do people call prostitutes "sex workers" if that is also illegal. Its response was:

1) It's consensual. It's two people mutually agreeing to exchange money for pleasure. This makes it different from drugs, which are illegal and also have severe health consequences. Ummm... prostitution is also illegal, so that argument is ❌ and prostitution also has severe health consequences so that argument is also❌

2) While prostitution is illegal, there are movements to try and get it decriminalized so they can improve their working conditions and stop their exploitation. There are also movements to decriminalize drugs. Hell, some cities in this country have already dabbled in it to varying degrees. And drug dealers don't exactly have ideal "working conditions" either. Also, drug dealers are also exploited. Another bunk argument.❌

3) Social stigma. It's important to recognize the challenges of.... [insert word salad here, you get the point]. And whether it's debating people online, people in person, or picking the "brain" of ChatGPT, this seems to be the best that anyone can offer. A bunch of arguments that are either factually wrong or don't hold up to scrutiny and it really just boils down to "sex worker is a more friendly term and we don't want to offend people."

Not to sound conceited, but I think the argument I laid out is far superior and makes much more logical sense. I realize not many people who post here probably give a single fuck about this topic or any of this, but if there is anyone here who does, I'd love for someone to explain to my how my position is wrong(if it's wrong). Maybe there's a side I haven't heard yet. Again, like I mentioned before, I don't think this is some noble cause or anything that we should be marching on the streets for. It's just simple terminology. But it did start to become a pet peeve of mine in recent years when I was being "corrected" by various people in conversations, and that's when I really started to gravitate toward this debate. And yes, I realize, I just wrote a several paragraphs analysis on the term prostitute vs sex worker on a Sunday morning that wasn't a college dissertation :messenger_sad_relieved:

This guy has sex with prostitutes Sex Workers.
 

E-Cat

Gold Member
We've got two thousand years of implied data on sex work and it's effect on the people involved and society around it. Nearly unanimously every culture decided to suppress it. Yet in 2024 America we have this weird need to re-litigate every single norm that has ever been established. I guess the thinking is "maybe our ancestors were just meanie prudes". It's absolutely brain dead. So I guess we have to subject thousands if not millions to the pain of figuring out what has been long figured.
Now do slavery.
 
fun tidbit. in Chinese, a lot of people call prostitutes "chicken" due to the pronunciation of both words being similar, and the stigma of "prostitute" being a more negative word that people try to avoid using.

personally I think calling them sex workers or escorts are fine. it is call the oldest profession for a reason because it IS work. just like a lot of service work there are different tiers to it, and as long as it's regulated well it can be just a part of day to day things in a normal society. it's simply a stigma thing that we're discriminating that line of work. if a govnerment is able to do a good job regulating prostitution, it would help lower STD spreads, human trafficing, illegal drug issues on top of being a great tax income source.
 

Lunarorbit

Member
Sex worker could mean a ton of different things.

Prostitute is for actual sex.

Escorts are for more companionship and then maybe sex.

Tinder is for prostitutes and sex workers. So is Instagram. How many women go over to the middle east to bang sheikhs that they connected with through insta or Twitter.

A pro is a pro but now that animity is gone because of social media Hoes don't want to be label hoes.
 

Lunarorbit

Member
fun tidbit. in Chinese, a lot of people call prostitutes "chicken" due to the pronunciation of both words being similar, and the stigma of "prostitute" being a more negative word that people try to avoid using.

personally I think calling them sex workers or escorts are fine. it is call the oldest profession for a reason because it IS work. just like a lot of service work there are different tiers to it, and as long as it's regulated well it can be just a part of day to day things in a normal society. it's simply a stigma thing that we're discriminating that line of work. if a govnerment is able to do a good job regulating prostitution, it would help lower STD spreads, human trafficing, illegal drug issues on top of being a great tax income source.
That made me think of the term chicken head that's been used in rap since at least the 80s.

Also made me think of the show Warrior. They use the word duck, itchy onion, and sticky all the time; apparently it was all made up slang for the show cause they didn't know what the Cantonese slang was back in the 1890s.
 

22:22:22

Banned
Sex worker could mean a ton of different things.

Prostitute is for actual sex.

Escorts are for more companionship and then maybe sex.

Tinder is for prostitutes and sex workers. So is Instagram. How many women go over to the middle east to bang sheikhs that they connected with through insta or Twitter.

A pro is a pro but now that animity is gone because of social media Hoes don't want to be label hoes.

I don't want to be labeled a psychopath. It is what it is.
 

March Climber

Gold Member
And the other reason I dislike the term sex worker is that it isn't work. It's not official employment. It's illegal.
I thought the reason why people started using the term sex worker was specifically due to things like the onlyfans boom, because people started offering nudity and sexual content of themselves for monetary gain.

Onlyfans as a means of employment can't neatly fit into the definition of prostitution because most transactions aren't being made in person, the service is usually at the sole benefit of the person providing it (instead of a pimp or handler), and there's usually no physical touch between parties.

So another term had to encompass what this had become: Sex worker.
 

Tams

Member
The only different term is 'escort', which means (or rather should mean) someone who is there to escort the client, and sometimes offer sexual services, just in a classy way. But if they have sex with their clients, they are also sex workers so...
 
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That made me think of the term chicken head that's been used in rap since at least the 80s.

Also made me think of the show Warrior. They use the word duck, itchy onion, and sticky all the time; apparently it was all made up slang for the show cause they didn't know what the Cantonese slang was back in the 1890s.

in Cantonese, "duck" could actually mean male prostitute because of the "chicken" thing. don't ask me the rationale behind it thou. :messenger_grinning_sweat:
 

DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell
I thought the reason why people started using the term sex worker was specifically due to things like the onlyfans boom, because people started offering nudity and sexual content of themselves for monetary gain.

Onlyfans as a means of employment can't neatly fit into the definition of prostitution because most transactions aren't being made in person, the service is usually at the sole benefit of the person providing it (instead of a pimp or handler), and there's usually no physical touch between parties.

So another term had to encompass what this had become: Sex worker.
It started a bit before the OF boom, but may have continued to ramp up after that. The original logic was it's important to destigmatize it and use more sensitive language. It kind of falls in the same boat as using "unhoused" instead of homeless(don't get me started on that one). But I'm sure some people use it as a catch all phrase.
 

nush

Gold Member
Prostitute is for actual sex.

Escorts are for more companionship and then maybe sex.

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The difference between a prostitute and an escort is that a prostitute will fuck almost anyone while and escort will be more selective and charge more. I don't believe that the "Companionship" escort actually exists in the numbers the media will have you believe. The waters are muddied by prostitutes branding themselves as escorts for that "Touch of class". Also "high end escorts" are just a branding to charge more and to make the clients think they are above the men that use those terrible prostitutes.
 

March Climber

Gold Member
It started a bit before the OF boom, but may have continued to ramp up after that. The original logic was it's important to destigmatize it and use more sensitive language. It kind of falls in the same boat as using "unhoused" instead of homeless(don't get me started on that one).
In that case it sounds like things accidentally self-corrected and it reached that logic anyway, thanks to the impact of Onlyfans, before it reached the weirdness of what you're describing in the second half of your post.
 

Kamina

Golden Boy
People are inventing new words in an attempt to try to differentiate what they are doing, despite it being the same.
 

Bojji

Gold Member
You've got some "my country is the only country" brain. Prostitution is legal to varying degrees in dozens of countries.

Sex worker is a term used to destigmatise all kids of sex work including stuff like Onlyfans.

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USA is almost the only country in american continents that illegalized prostitution.

Prostitution should be legal, this reduces sex trafficking and mob control over it. There are tons of women that want to do this kind of job and are happy about it (myth of sad, depressed prostitutes). Where I live market is quite healthy and i can confirm that.
 

E-Cat

Gold Member
Matter of time at this rate I guess. Logical conclusions and all.
No, your logic implied that if something has been found to be ”bad” by millenia of societal experience, it is therefore a valid conclusion and should apply to today’s society. By the same logic, going by the norm for the majority of the past several thousand tears, abolition of slavery = bad.
 
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Sub_Level

wants to fuck an Asian grill.
A hooker, porn star, stripper, camgirl, and a girl who makes clips/pics to sell online are all sex workers, but they can hardly be considered to have the same job. Sex Worker is accurate as an umbrella term. That said I would never correct someone for using prositute instead of sex worker, because prositution is simply a type of sex work.
 

bitbydeath

Gold Member
Now do slavery.
We've got 40-50 years of implied data on star wars and it's effect of bobba fett’s ship Slave 1. Nearly unanimously every culture decided to suppress it. Yet in 2024 America we have this weird need to re-litigate every single norm that has ever been established and rename it. I guess the thinking is "maybe our ancestors were just meanie prudes". It's absolutely brain dead. So I guess we have to subject thousands if not millions to the pain of figuring out what is Firespray.
 

StueyDuck

Member
It was just a term normalized by the weirdos, similar to how they tried to change the term pedo for map or some weirdo shit.

Just call them what they are, strippers/hookers/prossis etc. Normalcy only prevails If we reject the stupid.
 
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