Angelus Errare
Banned
man, that sucked
So that Wafflecakes guy...did he ever catch the hammer? Was it perma? Can I have his username? XD
man, that sucked
Why acknowledge it when you can just blame the minorities for having an "echo chamber" instead? Everyone should disperse, there's no issue here, the minorities are the issue for speaking up, they should stop doing that and once again have the onus to educate the very people who won't give them the time of day that they're equals. The moderates ITT can step off it honestly.It must be hard to realise that there is a underbelly of bubbling racism prevalent in your country. Rather deflect to something else.
Call me crazy but I'm pretty sure likeability is a fairly important metric for a leader of people
Yes there is an underbelly of racism. We didn't lose because of racists. We lost because we couldnt GOTV.It must be hard to realise that there is a underbelly of bubbling racism prevalent in your country. Rather deflect to something else.
Thank Bish. I was praying for you to show up.man, that sucked
And it was very competitive, but why did DNC go with such garbage candidate if that was the case?
I'm not blaming any voter. I'm putting the sole blame on the DNC and their terrible political strategy.
Which is what happened over the course of the last... two years? We reached a tipping point. America look like it was slipping more and more from the hands of whites, and this was scary, and here comes Trump to reassure them that they can get it back. No wonder they could look past his, admittedly, numerous flaws to deliver him the presidency.Because the spades can fuck your shit up even worse if they get pushed past their limit.
Cause she won the primary and is a highly qualified candidate.
She's also just really unlikable. A quality that shouldn't fucking matter when she's clearly a born leader ready to get shit done, but American Liberals are fickle fucks.
Then how did Trump win? He wasn't likable at all.
Okay, provide a better candidate. Because Hillary was a long standing public worker, working closely with two presidents, with the experience only being a secretary of state could offer. Her major point of derision was the email scandal, with was fucking nothing in the end, but a narrative played incessantly in the media.
THEY DIDNT VOTE. PERIOD."She didn't campaign in my state so I'm going to vote for the xenophobic, racist, Islamophobic, race-baiting, lying, cheating sexual predator to be president"
Makes perfect sense.
You seem to have a good grasp on the situation and I agree with your assessment entirely. However, we seem to be coming to different conclusions. People like me are not asking for compromise. Compromise is saying, "you guys can be half racist, and we'll tolerate it." We're asking for liberals to stop the demonization of these people. You recognize that the folks in the rust belt are downtrodden and have legitimate problems. How do we solve those problems? I don't know, I'm not an economist or a politician. What I can do as a private citizen is lend an ear and share some heart with these people. They are hurting and labeling them as bigots is not helping.Suggesting "compromise" suggests that the democratic party hasn't been doing that for the last 50+ years since the parties switched. On the world stage the democratic party is pretty right winged and that's exactly because they compromise. Anyone suggesting that the democratic party hasn't compromised to appeal to these people are inherently suggesting that this same party has only been about appealing to minorities at the expense of rural America, and that is just completely not true. The democratic party has basically always been seen by any and everyone as the party of compromise and "reaching across the isle" so I take offense with people who state that the democratic party doesn't do that, and that minorities within that party need to compromise with rural America, when minorities entire life in this country has always been one about compromising.
So that Wafflecakes guy...did he ever catch the hammer? Was it perma? Can I have his username? XD
Why acknowledge it when you can just blame the minorities for having an "echo chamber" instead? Everyone should disperse, there's no issue here, the minorities are the issue for speaking up, they should stop doing that and once again have the onus to educate the very people who won't give them the time of day that they're equals. The moderates ITT can step off it honestly.
Did you even read what I wrote? I don't think you did.
Give it one more go.
You're just saying that because you're at least a semi-decent human being. Try to empathise and understand the kind of person a total asshole would like.
Oh fuck off with your boogeyman bullshit. I see motherfuckers almost every damn day in the OT who shit on white people all day and all night long and nothing comes of it but God forbid people don't kowtow to the Liberal echo chamber on these forums, they get banned by Bishoptl with a quickness. Let's be honest here, the mods and one in particular are quite okay with racism towards white people on these forums unless people complain heavily about it. The OT has literally turned into a one sided discussion about how white people are the blame for all of societies problems and i blame Evilore for letting it happen.
Because they're not all racists. You can mock the #NotAll____ moniker all you want, but it's the truth.
- There are people in rural America legitimately left behind by technological advances and the new generation running off to the big cities. This doesn't make them racist.
- There are well-meaning religious folk that believe in the sanctity of life. This doesn't make them woman-haters.
- There are uninformed people who genuinely believe Hillary is as corrupt as they get. You can blame the media on this.
Labeling every Trump voter as such is doing to them exactly what racists actually do. You can support filibustering the Republican Congress. You can support protesting Trump's cabinet. Those people are irredeemable. But don't ignore the legitimate grievances of legitimate people. Especially do not paint them all with the broad brush that you yourself despise.
Bernie? And that was far from her major point of derision. People haven't forgotten Benghazi, and whether you blame her for it or not, plenty of people associate her with it, and that just increases the dislike of her by the public.
It sucks. We shouldn't be tabling racism. We need to NOT do exactly that. But in the end it has nothing to do with this election. The people who voted for Trump, as exit polling is showing, are the same ones who would have voted for Cruz, Rubio, etc. we like to believe that they "came out for Trump", but the CLEAR fact seems to be turning out that these people have always been there, always voting... and the polls have just always ignored them or marginalized them. Racism was the language of his campaign but it wasn't his propulsion across the finish line. Solid steady turnout by a reliable voter base, in contrast to a record low "NOT with her" turn out for a candidate whom the DNC royalty felt it was her turn to sit at the throne.And it was very competitive, but why did DNC go with such garbage candidate if that was the case?
I'm not blaming any voter. I'm putting the sole blame on the DNC and their terrible political strategy.
One of my co workers posted this today
Okay, but who's fault is this? Trump didn't even get loser Romney's turnout. She failed to get the vote out, she stop campaigning publicly for weeks at a time, and she didn't offer a compelling vision.
I remember when I thought police didn't need systemic reform and just needed to get rid of the bad apples"Saying 50 million Americans are racist is insane!"
I envy you.
Honest to god, I envy you.
I want your life.
I want to know what's like spending an entire lifetime not even having to think about things like this. To not have to think about how the country was literally founded on slavery and white supremacy. To just believe that shit went hunky-dory after MLK became civil rights jesus.
Honest to god, I want to have a life like that.
THEY DIDNT VOTE. PERIOD.
Worry about the racists after we can GOTV.
"Saying 50 million Americans are racist is insane!"
I envy you.
Honest to god, I envy you.
I want your life.
I want to know what's like spending an entire lifetime not even having to think about things like this. To not have to think about how the country was literally founded on slavery and white supremacy. To just believe that shit went hunky-dory after MLK became civil rights jesus.
Honest to god, I want to have a life like that.
Without a doubt we have a huge racism problem in this country, institutional or otherwise. Is it despicable people voted for Trump? It absolutely is.
That's not why he won though. He won because Democrats didn't show up due to what seems like a variety of reasons, not the least of which the candidate we chose.
You risk losing sight of the forest from the trees if you just write everything off as racists voting against minorities.
A whole host of issues contributed to this (low turnout) win for Trump. Let's fix that and work on the Democratic party so we get some exciting people in there again.
If we ran another Obama who is charismatic as fuck and gives rockstar speeches, this election wouldn't have even been close.
You completely missed the point."She didn't campaign in my state so I'm going to vote for the xenophobic, racist, Islamophobic, race-baiting, lying, cheating sexual predator to be president"
Makes perfect sense.
So now not only go after people who voted for Trump, but let's go after the ones who didn't vote for him also.The people who didn't vote are OK with a human piece of shit like Trump being elected President. They're as bad as the racists and can also all go fuck themselves.
The sarcasm isn't needed. I read what you wrote. Did you read what I wrote?
I haven't seen anybody asking you to tolerate them. I haven't seen anybody asking you to extend an olive branch. I haven't seen anybody asking you to reeducate them. Assume these people are hopeless and move on.
What I HAVE seen, is people saying the issue is more complex than just "this is all the racists fault". These people are immediately labeled as moderates and shunned. We're all (I assume) in the same party and we all (I assume) voted for Clinton. We're on the same side here.
We need to look at why she lost, instead of focusing on the people who voted for him. Turnout was low all around, if she was even a little bit more appealing, or even a little bit more exciting of a candidate than we may not be having this conversation right now.
You clearly did not. I didn't write shit about people telling us to tolerate racism.I haven't seen anybody say you should tolerate racism.
"Saying 50 million Americans are racist is insane!"
I envy you.
Honest to god, I envy you.
I want your life.
I want to know what's like spending an entire lifetime not even having to think about things like this. To not have to think about how the country was literally founded on slavery and white supremacy. To just believe that shit went hunky-dory after MLK became civil rights jesus.
Honest to god, I want to have a life like that.
Have you actually tried to educate people?
100000% this. There mere fact that we polarized and classified ALL Republicans as "racists" "misogynist" and "bigots" has resulted in this situation. I know Republicans who voted Republicans b/c of their political ideologies that have merit.
I'm not buying this narrative at all tbh.
Clinton got 6 million less votes than Obama and these aren't people that would feel alienated by the 'deplorables' comment
Trump got 2 million less votes than Romney so it's not like the 'deplorables' comment sparked an extensive mutiny of Repub voters
This was just a case of Dem voter apathy
Then how did Trump win? He wasn't likable at all.
Right?? I said it in the other thread that I'm not hard pressed to think 60 million people are racist. I fully believe that.
You seem to have a good grasp on the situation and I agree with your assessment entirely. However, we seem to be coming to different conclusions. People like me are not asking for compromise. Compromise is saying, "you guys can be half racist, and we'll tolerate it." We're asking for liberals to stop the demonization of these people. You recognize that the folks in the rust belt are downtrodden and have legitimate problems. How do we solve those problems? I don't know, I'm not an economist or a politician. What I can do as a private citizen is lend an ear and share some heart with these people. They are hurting and labeling them as bigots is not helping.
GOP: -1 million vote
DEM: -6 million vote
She could have been president elect with 200k votes in the rust belt.
Let's worry about whether or not we need to reach out to bigots, instead of worrying about why we didn't have the right message to GOTV.
Remember the famed Clinton GOTV. Trump no GOTV outperformed her.