Jack The Nipper
Banned
I want Xbox to be number 1 now. I have always been a bigger soybean, but fuck it.
Seems pretty self evident. MS can only do so well, but it's still conceivable that Sony screws the pooch in some fashion.
It's not likely, mind, but it is possible/
I think they meant the U.S. not that that point is anything but a dud now since Ps4's up to 9 million now.
If they lower the price enough, they can come backYou really think MS will make a comeback this gen because it's easier for people to play FIFA 09 on XB1? People don't really care about BC. It's one of those things that everyones thinks they want, then never uses. I think I've played a few hours of Xenoblade on my Wii U and that's it. I don't recall ever playing a GC game on my Wii.
Ps2 sold 170 million?
twinfinite said:... while Microsofts best-selling console, the Xbox 360, sold just 80 million units in its lifetime
GameSpot said:Microsoft also announced today that Xbox 360 sales have risen to 84 million units sold. http://www.gamespot.com/articles/e3-2014-399-xbox-one-out-now-xbox-360-sales-rise-to-84-million/1100-6420231/
I think it's fine that they did that, they should've just not bundled the kinect at launch. had a 400 and 500 dollar version of it to go. sony did the media shit last gen when they heavily pushed blu-ray with Ps3 and although that was one of the things that made it expensive it was pretty important. Ps2 did it before that with DVDs when it was still kind of a new thing.If they lower the price enough, they can come back
Is it worth doing that just to be #1 after getting trounced world wide since launch?
No
Though I do hope they are humbled by this defeat, lick their wounds and come out with a gaming system next time and not a hybrid media station
yeah, perhaps they were just rounding to whole numbers when they said 80 million but 155--->170 million is a pretty big difference.As far as I know, this is the only source claiming such things. Also,
We have UK numbers, which are grim. NPD numbers should hopefully come in a few weeks.kind of OT but uh... did Tomb Raider really actually sell badly?
Like... do we even have numbers to look at? Or is it mostly educated guessing.
We have UK numbers, which are grim. NPD numbers should hopefully come in a few weeks.
People buy consoles for new games.
But someone at Ars Technica or Polygon or one of those troll clickbait sites said that the Bone is closing the gap with PS4!
I dunno, they seem to be handling backwards compatibility a hell of a lot better.
is there any real way to prove that BC hasn't made the xbone sell better or if those that have an xbone aren't using it?Which seems to be translating to 0 extra units sold. Which just goes to show that all the companies were right all along in saying that consumers don't actually want it.
is there any real way to prove that BC hasn't made the xbone sell better or if those that have an xbone aren't using it?
ea access is another exclusive and afaik it's got a high attach rate on xbone
is there any real way to prove that BC hasn't made the xbone sell better or if those that have an xbone aren't using it?
ea access is another exclusive and afaik it's got a high attach rate on xbone
My exact thought upon seeing the thread title.Xbox to win this gen confirmed.
If BC was a deciding factor, then the Xbone's hardware sales should show a statistically significant jump after BC was introduced
Ok. So that answers the former question. but if Ps4 had Ps2/Ps1 physical BC (I know Ps3 is out of the question) I know I would be using it. Otherwise I wouldn't have to turn on a Ps3 to play some old Ps1 games.Every action obviously has some amount of sales multiplier.
The question is whether or not they're significant enough to be a notable sales driver.
And the answer is often times "we don't know"
If they lower the price enough, they can come back
Is it worth doing that just to be #1 after getting trounced world wide since launch?
No
Though I do hope they are humbled by this defeat, lick their wounds and come out with a gaming system next time and not a hybrid media station
he said something right last year Q3/Q4 but it was something really obvious.Well, I thought that PS4 got this, but now that Patcher is agreeing with me Xbox has pretty good chance... When was the last time that guy was right?
you do realise that sony has released way, way more exclusives in 2915, right?This just goes to show that the average gamer doesn't really care about exclusives. If they did ms would be selling more consoles because of halo and timed exclusives like tomb raider. Except this just prooves that all it does is annoy people. It's about how you market your console. Sony nailed it from day 1. Ms on the other hand scared people away with their scary policies on used games and always online connectivity. Phil Spencer has done an amazing job to repair the damage that matrick did but patcher is right. Ms will not catch up. All they can do at this point is continue to sell the console on the merits they do have and hope they can appeal to people who still haven't made the jump to current Gen.
you do realise that sony has released way, way more exclusives in 2915, right?
The TR Reboot destroyed my cherished unique franchise, and so I won't lie I'm going to take sick satisfaction if it bombs. As I said when they announced "exclusivity" for XBO, since the reboot was awful I couldn't get excited about its sequel, but I hope that the exclusivity deal singlehandedly destroyed the momentum it gained so that one day we might have a shot at going back to real Tomb Raider games. But since the game is still going to be on PS4 (as we all knew), I doubt I'll be that lucky anyway...
If BC was a deciding factor, then the Xbone's hardware sales should show a statistically significant jump after BC was introduced
you do realise that sony has released way, way more exclusives in 2915, right?
But the 360 was competing against the 80 million selling PS3
While the quality itself is subjective, sometimes it IS about quality over quantity.
With releases like bloodborne, until dawn and guilty gear, there quality and quantity in spades.
I'm not sure this is accurate. Sure MS does well during the holidays (thanks to price cuts and bundles and so on) but there is a whole rest of the year that Sony dominates in those regions.it seems they now are in a dead heat in places like NA/UK in terms of monthly sales
Even if they squeak by with a profit I can't imagine they're happy being a distant 2nd place, being outsold 2:1, especially after the ground they made last generation.Of course they want to win. But if they make a profit on the x1, they are far from fucked...
But do Windows PCs that run 95+% of their games through Steam really count as MS gamers? I'm not sure that people playing games outside of their digital storefront/Xbox Live are a meaningful addition to the discussion, unless the goal is to artificially inflate MS's perceived "gaming marketshare."I wonder if you factored in people who own Steam boxes, what percentage of the standalone gaming machine market Microsoft actually owns. Presumably the rise of the cheap gaming PC is somewhat cannibalizing console sales, right?
I agree there's a distinction, but there are probably vectors that would be interesting to look at to determine people who are using Steam/GOG/Origin/Uplay/whatever on a PC as their primary "installed/standalone gaming device," vs console users. Even if that method was just sampling/polls. I'm not sure there's a great way to determine the PC gamer's "install base" (Steam accounts that have activated a game and played it in the last year?) but it would be an interesting number to compare to Xbox One and PS4.But do Windows PCs that run 95+% of their games through Steam really count as MS gamers? I'm not sure that people playing games outside of their digital storefront/Xbox Live are a meaningful addition to the discussion, unless the goal is to artificially inflate MS's perceived "gaming marketshare."
Windows isn't a gaming OS; it's a popular OS that people happen to play games on. There's a distinction to be made IMO.
The TR Reboot destroyed my cherished unique franchise, and so I won't lie I'm going to take sick satisfaction if it bombs. As I said when they announced "exclusivity" for XBO, since the reboot was awful I couldn't get excited about its sequel, but I hope that the exclusivity deal singlehandedly destroyed the momentum it gained so that one day we might have a shot at going back to real Tomb Raider games. But since the game is still going to be on PS4 (as we all knew), I doubt I'll be that lucky anyway...
ars technica is a troll clickbait site?
my god
Who gives a shit, as long as both can make the companies a profit, it means we'll continue to get great games.
Celebrating who has the bigger dick all the time is pretty lame, the bigger question is will the Xbox1 be profitable enough for MS to continue to support it and to develop the next gen of the console.
So far that seems to be holding true... it's install base is big enough that multi-platform support will continue.. and exclusives will still be made.
I get you from the perspective that it is their infrastructure to an extent, but I also believe that combining Xbox and Windows PC gamers for the purpose of comparing them to other competitors like Nintendo or Sony would only add meaningless obfuscation to the conversation. Yes, PC is assuredly cutting into the console market, but no, Microsoft is not likely seeing anywhere near the games-related revenue from the gaming side of Windows as they are from Xbox, and thus it doesn't make sense to bucket them together.I agree there's a distinction, but there are probably vectors that would be interesting to look at to determine people who are using Steam/GOG/Origin/Uplay/whatever on a PC as their primary "installed/standalone gaming device," vs console users. Even if that method was just sampling/polls. I'm not sure there's a great way to determine the PC gamer's "install base" (Steam accounts that have activated a game and played it in the last year?) but it would be an interesting number to compare to Xbox One and PS4.
I would also agree that these are not necessarily "Microsoft gamers," as Microsoft does not capture any of the revenue for gaming sales on Steam et al. Which is weird -- they certainly dropped the ball there allowing third parties to fill the void, but that's how the cookie crumbled. Still, it's not a total loss for them either. Were it not for games I wouldn't own a $5,000 PC that is hooked up to my big TV. They haven't upsold me on Office, OneDrive, or anything from the Store, nor will they, but they got paid a licensing seat fee, so good for them.
I do think, though, that you'd have to credit that market segment as Microsoft-owned. It uses all of their tech. Those game devs are running Visual Studio, using DirectX, developing on Windows boxes, and selling the results to Windows users. That's owning a platform if I've ever heard it. They really just rely on middlemen to make the machines and distribute the games.
2015While the quality itself is subjective, sometimes it IS about quality over quantity.