You should watch the video, he does at one point actually show the code. He claims he wrote it out on a whiteboard, and repeatedly asked why it would take 4 weeks to perform the task and was never provided with an answer.That’s what happens when you low ball on wages and demand heavy hours in an industry that has been hell bent on pushing away talented people.
That said if this cat could do it in 45 min then he should’ve showed it, and if he didn’t then he’s one of the reasons people don’t want to come into the games industry and put up with these fat bitches who only got to where they are because they walked through the door early.
Either way the real talent bounces fast to name studios, they don’t stick around in studios like Obsidian which are known for being technically incompetent.
This so much. The amount of partnering software companies that I have to work with these days who have no clue what the hell are they doing is pretty mind blowing. You can literally throw complete documentation at them and they'll still struggle to make heads or tails of what they are supposed to be doing.Not really.
There are a ton of people in programming positions these days that don't know how to code. That is evident in the software that ships across the board, not just in the gaming sphere.
Not really.
There are a ton of people in programming positions these days that don't know how to code. That is evident in the software that ships across the board, not just in the gaming sphere.
My thoughts exactly.Why did he not just write the code. Sounds like the discussion took longer with more negative outcomes.
Fire the incompetent and do it yourself
I feel this can go either way. If he legit felt he could do it in 45 minutes, hell let's call that an exaggeration and say he can do it in 3 days vs the 4 weeks the programmer quoted plus their attitude?Easy to say “I could do that myself in 45 minutes” but if your boss asks you how long it will take to finish you better build in some breathing room in case something goes wrong.
The programmer is going to be responsible to make sure it doesn’t cause any issues and will need to thoroughly test their solution for bugs as well, that’s obviously gonna take more than 45 minutes.
Not in this case. They couldn’t even figure out how to do vlookup tables, so the initial batch of reports that everyone saw were borked and everyone was like “WTF is this garbage?”. I was asked to step in and take over. Smooth sailing since and takes me literally 5 minutes per week.They probably can do it, but they just tried to pass the work to someone else... and they did it.
Most people try to avoid responsibilities and try their hardest in pushing work on to others.
Yes this isn't exclusive to the games industry. But obviously its fascinating to see how impacting game development.It's called the competency crisis... and it's going to ruin the West.
there's an old saying: "what one programmer can do in one month, two programmers can do in two months."Interesting for sure. That's why development team numbers don't always mean faster development.
Not necessarily. You also have those that want more than what their skill set offers.You get what you pay for
Also, it's easy to underestimate things and blame "juniors".
You see this in a lot of places really. People who supposedly have degrees and don't know what the hell they are doing.Nothing to do with ego. I see situations all the time - even HRs began to wonder where all the developers have gone. The skill drain is real. People literally have 10+ years of experience and unable to write some basic code. Yet always happy to arrange meetings and discussions, that lead to nowhere because nobody not only know what to do, but also unable to take any responsibility. We have architects with zero programming experience, being unable to understand how the application works.
In my company we literally have teams where people don't know their own projects and we (other team) have to explain them how their own application works. I have no idea how people get hired these days but I have yet to see people passing my interviews, when I participate as a reviewer. The skill level in software development is appalling these days.
Fixed. Not talking just about game development either.Most people on teams are absolute dead weight.
programming is a discipline where there's a million paths up the mountain (i.e., tons of ways to solve a single problem).
multiple programmers often can waste time discussing paths, claiming they know a path when they dont, not providing others maps of the paths they've treaded, deciding to take other paths on a whim without telling anyone, eating all the rations (resources) and getting the team stuck halfway up the path, etc etc etc
its across the board in all markets. Diversity hires, unions etc. It's just a job to people now. Im not sweating and causing myself stress for the mans profitsNot really.
There are a ton of people in programming positions these days that don't know how to code. That is evident in the software that ships across the board, not just in the gaming sphere.
Yep, plus now days things are a lot more formal. You have code reviews, security reviews and scans, testing that may include UAT and Staging, and then change approval procedures.You get what you pay for
Also, it's easy to underestimate things and blame "juniors".
And it’s not exclusive to the West. I work with plenty devs out of Southeast Asia and ton of them don’t know shit just as much as devs in the West. Of course you have folks that are really good too, but so do you in the West.Yes this isn't exclusive to the games industry. But obviously its fascinating to see how impacting game development.
Is anyone surprised at all? Back then this industry was dominated by geeks/gamers who knew and loved what they did. Now you have diversity hires and political propagandists instead. The industry will implode sooner or later, the signs are obvious.
Is anyone surprised at all? Back then this industry was dominated by geeks/gamers who knew and loved what they did. Now you have diversity hires and political propagandists instead. The industry will implode sooner or later, the signs are obvious.
I was thinking maybe that too. There's so much tech jobs in demand since the dot com boom happened in 1999, maybe the way the labour pool and jobs available are such a way companies need to hire nitwits to do something.It’s not a West issue. A ton of people got into Dev and IT who just don’t know what the f they are doing. But companies need bodies so even if someone is meh, companies can still charge for them, managers buff up their teams, etc…
What the hell are you smoking? The whole world is not some agenda driven conspiracy led by people you hate.Is anyone surprised at all? Back then this industry was dominated by geeks/gamers who knew and loved what they did. Now you have diversity hires and political propagandists instead. The industry will implode sooner or later, the signs are obvious.
Relevant Steve Jobs quote.
There’s probably more to that story indeed.Could it have been the person he asked had literally 4 weeks of work pre-scheduled and was just being a dick about someone adding more random work to their task-list? That I can see happening. And in such an instance its hard to say who's in the right, and in the wrong.
Have you ever seen The Consultant? I think of most game developers when I see that series and think that's probably what's going on at most of them.So, lazy devs. Not surprised. I guess this is where AI should help, weeding out the need for all these low tier programmers.
He better be paying you more or giving you a promotion of some kind, otherwise you are just doing the jobs of others without appropriate compensation.You know the old saying in life.... "sometimes it's better to do it yourself"
A lot of people out there are lazy, unskilled, or just plain idiots. It makes no sense that farming out some tasks to someone else takes longer to do than doing it yourself (along with the other tasks you already have on your plate to finish), but sometimes it's better to do it yourself because you know it'll get done, done right and on time. A lot of people have no respect helping other people so they take their time or dont give a shit.
There's some tasks and reporting I do for other departments because the idiots there couldnt figure out their own systems. So it got to a point the VP of my department told me (wink wink), if I can just keep doing it so it's seamless and on time.
Or it’s a lazy programmer who knows he can finish it in under an hour but wants 4 weeks so he can get paid to do nothing. Sounds like a union employee.Sounds like someone needs an ego check.
If the programmer wouldn’t tell his boss his reasoning for needing 4 weeks, what makes you think he would tell you?I guess I'd want to hear from that programmer and see what he had to say.
Bullshitters everywhere.Great video. Funny thing about that developer story is that I've seen that exact same scenario before. Everyone knows people who are slackers. Some developers I've worked with have tried to claim a job will take much longer than it will actually take and they are dependent on the ignorance of the management to get away with it. In this case, the guy running the show ain't ignorant and he called out bullshit when it needed to be.