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To OLED, or not to OLED

What type of TV is your main TV?

  • OLED

    Votes: 430 71.2%
  • LCD

    Votes: 112 18.5%
  • Something else

    Votes: 40 6.6%
  • I don't own a TV, just a computer monitor

    Votes: 22 3.6%

  • Total voters
    604

dotnotbot

Member
Some oleds can be brighter than led tech.



Potinless comparison since it's always camera adjusted to brightest TV. So in order to show brightest TV without blowing out the picture dimmer ones look way too dim, much worse than they look like IRL. Camera has limited dynamic range compared to human eyes.

If the video was in HDR at least, but in SDR it's absurd to be comparing things like brightness between TVs (or color in HDR or many other things).
 
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Gamer79

Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
Potinless comparison since it's always camera adjusted to brightest TV. So in order to show brightest TV without blowing out the picture dimmer ones look way too dim, much worse than they look like IRL. Camera has limited dynamic range compared to human eyes.

If the video was in HDR at least, but in SDR it's absurd to be comparing things like brightness between TVs (or color in HDR or many other things).
Educate yourself before spitting venom.

It is a fact our C3 is a dimmer tv, especially in game mode.
 
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Ulysses 31

Member
This is SDR game, what brightness do you need for that? SDR is meant for 100 nit brightness.
Whatever brightness you feel to make the picture not look dim.

Regular Blu-rays are SDR too and surely you ain't saying those should be watched at 100 nits too, right?
 

dotnotbot

Member
Educate yourself before spitting venom.

It is a fact our C3 is a dimmer tv, especially in game mode.

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Bojji

Member
Whatever brightness you feel to make the picture not look dim.

Regular Blu-rays are SDR too and surely you ain't saying those should be watched at 100 nits too, right?

Obviously this "100" nits is meant for a dark room, it has to be higher during the day. But making SDR output in super high brightness is quite stupid, picture accuracy will be fucked up, things that meant to be 5 nits are now 50 nits, etc. All colors are wrong.
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
Was at a Best Buy doing some work for them and saw the Hisense 75" U8N was on sale for $1499 which I think is a killer price for that TV
 

Ulysses 31

Member
Stop the FOMO did an 7+ hour stream with the G4, S95D and QN900D and the G4 is the overall winner making it very temping with its 5 year burn in warranty. However the 8K QN900D(Mini LED) held on vs the 2 best OLEDs and its 240Hz screen might make it the deciding factor for me.
 
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Celcius

°Temp. member


John and Oliver from Digital Foundry talk about their new TVs and the differences. John went with OLED and Oliver with LCD (I think mini led).
 

Bojji

Member


John and Oliver from Digital Foundry talk about their new TVs and the differences. John went with OLED and Oliver with LCD (I think mini led).


Just like people here, some of us want the best contrast, black level and zero blooming (OLED) and some of us want the best brightness and can accept minuses of VA/IPS technology.
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
Just like people here, some of us want the best contrast, black level and zero blooming (OLED) and some of us want the best brightness and can accept minuses of VA/IPS technology.

Mini LED is really catching up in those areas and OLED is trying to catch up in brightness.

All depends on the viewing space which tech is superior
 

Bojji

Member
Mini LED is really catching up in those areas and OLED is trying to catch up in brightness.

All depends on the viewing space which tech is superior

Pretty much. For my usage OLED brightness is enough but I can get that for some people it might not be suitable (room conditions).

I hate blooming so much that probably only some high end (that means very expensive) mini LEDs would be ok for me.
 

kingpotato

Ask me about my Stream Deck
I've had an LG C7 65" for the last 6 years and it was great for the first 5. In the last year it's started to get burn in pretty easily and the more vibrant colors are looking distorted, especially when they are present in big flat shapes.

It still performs well over all and I don't have any regrets but all the native apps are starting to slow down and with the visual quality issues I'm a little disappointed. I was hoping this set would last twice as long before these issues crop up.

FWIW, the burn in all seems to have come from my launch model Switch oddly enough even though I have put serious gaming hours on the TV with PS4/Pro/5, my Xbox Series S, and various retro/mini consoles, etc.
 

Bojji

Member


The Bravia 9 has much better shadow detail. Black crush on OLEDs is real.


Never heard of crushed blacks on Sony OLEDs, I thought it was LG thing.

Are settings correct fot both tvs?

From my experience at least half of movies and shows on streaming (and dvbt-t tv) have lifted black level so I even have to set black level to 49 (from 50) for picture to not look like shit. Looks like most content is made for shitty LCDs, same is true for many HDR games sadly.

I have never seen black crush on my LG in any movie but even if so you have settings to change it you don't have to change the whole fucking tv, lol.
 
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Meicyn

Gold Member


Toss up between the G4 and the Bravia 9. Video shows numerous moments and scenes where one outdoes the other and vice versa.
 

Meicyn

Gold Member
Have spent about a day with the 75” Bravia 9. Dolby Vision looks fantastic on the set with content that supports it, whereas Dolby Vision looked like shit on my X950H. Been messing around with games that have higher nit value support, such as Division 2 which despite being made back in 2019, surprisingly has content that goes up to 3000 nits! Spotlights and explosions are... quite the spectacle. Massive Entertainment deserves a lot more praise for their attention to detail than gamers gave them credit for.

Dragon’s Dogma 2 was already a light show before at night, but on the Bravia 9? Whew! While using the in-game HDR calibration setting, the first setting can be pumped all the way to maximum as the TV is fully capable of handling 3000+ nit content. The nights are still as dark as ever, but as you watch the sparks and bolts fly everywhere when a mage uses Levin, you maintain incredible clarity for the surrounding elements without heavy tone mapping and ABL kicking in as it would on existing OLEDs.

Even Elden Ring looks noticably better. I bumped up the in-game setting to the maximum 2000 nits and it is an obvious improvement. I noticed details in the Erdtree that I didn’t see before when it’s in the burning state. Liurnia was always my favorite area, but now it looks even better.

Sony’s local dimming algorithm combined with their incremental backlighting zone management meets the hype. There is still some blooming in moments where say, you have a white logo in the bottom right on an otherwise black screen while a game is loading. In most typical content, you don’t see blooming. The Bravia 9 will fail a starfield test pattern that OLED will easily laugh at, but in an episode of Star Trek TNG, the stars look alright. Not as good as an OLED though.

The Bravia 9 will prefer to give you some minor blooming rather than sacrificing shadow detail. You can technically override this preference by switching local dimming settings, but medium is the default and recommended by Sony’s engineers. As the tech evolves and more dimming zones increase, what little blooming there is will continue to decline in future sets, bridging the path towards microLED. QD-OLED is still king of dark scenes, but the Bravia 9 is the closest a consumer grade LED has gotten to date.

Essentially, if you have content that goes up to 4000 nits, the Bravia 9 will let you see details at an accurate level that you can’t experience on other sets. Incredible TV.
 

Meicyn

Gold Member
Tv just kills some details:

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For whatever it’s worth, KG mentioned he has his set on high for local dimming, which emphasizes maintaining as much black as possible at all cost. The above is the end result. He provided many screens, settings info, and other details on the AVS Forums for various scenarios. As I said above in the post after the one you quoted, local dimming should be on medium, not high.

If you’d like, I can take a video with my smartphone to demonstrate what I am talking about so you see that I’m not fanboying here. I loaded up a starfield test pattern on Youtube just now and rechecked the differences. On local dimming set to high, the stars are so hilariously dim that it looks pathetic for a $3500 TV. Medium, it looks much better, balancing between minimizing blooming but maintaining that yes, there are stars. On low, you get the full intended brightness of each star, but blooming is apparent. You can also turn local dimming completely off, even though that makes zero sense.
 

Bojji

Member
For whatever it’s worth, KG mentioned he has his set on high for local dimming, which emphasizes maintaining as much black as possible at all cost. The above is the end result. He provided many screens, settings info, and other details on the AVS Forums for various scenarios. As I said above in the post after the one you quoted, local dimming should be on medium, not high.

If you’d like, I can take a video with my smartphone to demonstrate what I am talking about so you see that I’m not fanboying here. I loaded up a starfield test pattern on Youtube just now and rechecked the differences. On local dimming set to high, the stars are so hilariously dim that it looks pathetic for a $3500 TV. Medium, it looks much better, balancing between minimizing blooming but maintaining that yes, there are stars. On low, you get the full intended brightness of each star, but blooming is apparent. You can also turn local dimming completely off, even though that makes zero sense.

It looks like a great tv overall, I could live with minimal issues like that - of course if I had the money for tv like that :messenger_tears_of_joy:

In the end you have to choose between "details" and "blooming" in dark scenes, there is still no way to avoid it on LCD tv but it has brightness that no OLED can reach so everyone has to choose their poison.
 

Meicyn

Gold Member
It looks like a great tv overall, I could live with minimal issues like that - of course if I had the money for tv like that :messenger_tears_of_joy:

In the end you have to choose between "details" and "blooming" in dark scenes, there is still no way to avoid it on LCD tv but it has brightness that no OLED can reach so everyone has to choose their poison.
Interestingly enough, I read a scientific paper on a breakthrough with OLED tech, generating equivalent brightness with a lot less power. Wish I could remember what it was titled, so I could link it. The issue of course, is cost at the moment. If they figure out a way to scale it and make it commercially viable, OLED will be able to achieve close to if not outright equivalent brightness with LED with minimal drawbacks. I wonder if they’ll be able to pull it off before microLED.
 

Demigod Mac

Member
Question for those who use an OLED as a PC Monitor... Is burn-in a near constant thought/concern for you? (psychologically speaking)
Am close to making the jump but right now it's a complete non-issue with my IPS display that I simply don't have to worry about.
So I wondered if there's a different feel for when you make the switch to an OLED display where you do have to, to some degree, consider burn-in from a static image.

I would of course, not do anything stupid with it and deliberately try to burn it in, and use the pixel cleaning / saving functions.
I already prefer Dark Mode, already use a screen saver and auto display sleep, don't have a ton of icons on the desktop or a bright background, etc.
 

Ulysses 31

Member
Question for those who use an OLED as a PC Monitor... Is burn-in a near constant thought/concern for you? (psychologically speaking)
Am close to making the jump but right now it's a complete non-issue with my IPS display that I simply don't have to worry about.
So I wondered if there's a different feel for when you make the switch to an OLED display where you do have to, to some degree, consider burn-in from a static image.

I would of course, not do anything stupid with it and deliberately try to burn it in, and use the pixel cleaning / saving functions.
I already prefer Dark Mode, already use a screen saver and auto display sleep, don't have a ton of icons on the desktop or a bright background, etc.
Would be for me if burn-in wasn't covered in the warranty and a minimum of 3 years.

I came close to getting a G4 because of the 5 year warranty but Samsung has 240 Hz and Game motion plus.
 

hussar16

Member
I had a lg oled c1 and the picture was way to dim went back to mini led and I'm happier .overall I wouldn't touch oled unless its sony oled
 
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