hydragonwarrior
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M-Rated games on Nintendo pretty much kicked the bucket after the Gamecube and Celda was released - still sad to see SNES and N64 have so much more variety in that arena and seeing the Wii U as it is today.
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Ubi - "Wii U owners don't buy AC", Watch_Dogs their last M-rated WiiU release.
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M-Rated games on Nintendo pretty much kicked the bucket after the Gamecube and Celda was released - still sad to see SNES and N64 have so much more variety in that arena and seeing the Wii U as it is today.
It's too bad they're not putting Assassin's Creed: Rogue on it. I'd actually consider buying it then. I have *no* interest in buying that game on my PS3 two weeks after Unity comes out on my PS4. I'll just wait for a likely HD version. If they had launched a Wii U version of Rogue though it'd be a different story.
Poimandres
Member
Seems to me the "revisionist history" is the other way around since people were definitely saying AC4 was at the very least a competent port on Wii U when it was first released!
Notice the number of mentions of Ass Creed, Splinter Cell and Rayman in this thread talking about great Wii U third party games? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=854323
SatoAilDarko
Member
I have all of Ubisoft's M-rated releases, Splinter Cell, Zombi U and both Assassin's Creeds. I also own Rabbids Land and Rayman Legends. I'll also get Watch Dogs.
I understand them pulling out M-rated titles if they aren't selling and I appreciate the effort so far. I got both Zombi U and AC III close to launch to show support.
I do wish they had released the AC Rogue though. I've had my fill of AC just with 3 and 4 but my completeness instinct will make be get Rogue to finish this trilogy. Though a big appeal to me was the off-tv play.
Too bad for people who wanted mature games but I feel most people who are strong fans have another way to play them and are more invested in those ecosystems, achievements/trophies, friend lists, etc.
It also helps that the Rabbids are the only franchise I'm a true fan of from Ubisoft (hate me all you want). It sounds like those games could still come. In fact maybe that Wii U game Ubisoft's holding for release is another Rabbids Land that doesn't squander it's good parts. I can hope.
I understand them pulling out M-rated titles if they aren't selling and I appreciate the effort so far. I got both Zombi U and AC III close to launch to show support.
I do wish they had released the AC Rogue though. I've had my fill of AC just with 3 and 4 but my completeness instinct will make be get Rogue to finish this trilogy. Though a big appeal to me was the off-tv play.
Too bad for people who wanted mature games but I feel most people who are strong fans have another way to play them and are more invested in those ecosystems, achievements/trophies, friend lists, etc.
It also helps that the Rabbids are the only franchise I'm a true fan of from Ubisoft (hate me all you want). It sounds like those games could still come. In fact maybe that Wii U game Ubisoft's holding for release is another Rabbids Land that doesn't squander it's good parts. I can hope.
Not even the Rabbids Invasion game is coming to Wii U.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
At least they still exist on other platforms.
Drilbit777
Member
As a Wii U owner who bought both Child of Light and Rayman Legends, it sad to hear this... Hopefully Nintendo can bounce back and try to get more 3rd party support on the system.
SolidSnakex
Member
Maybe this is what they needed to wake up. Last generation they struck gold with the Wii and it may have made them a bit over confident in terms of how much their own software can carry a console. Now they're seeing just how hard it is. For their next console they need to go around to developers and ask them what they want. That doesn't mean that they have to have a console with some crazy specs and a $500 pricetag, but they have to make those developers actually feel like their voice is being heard on some level. There is an obvious balance between doing something developers want and doing something that's financially smart for your own company. Nintendo needs to find what that is for them.
shinra-bansho
Member
Elaborate on what exactly a Nintendo consumer entails, perhaps?
If you're referring to demographic factors, genre inclinations, etc. and the basing of software SKUs on those factors... then that's exactly what Ubisoft are doing...
The thing is, third parties keep treating the consumer as if they're idiots.
You cannot create a shoddy port, remove features etc. and expect the consumer to lap it up. It's essentially the same situation as Mass Effect 3 with EA. They released it, sure, but they also destroyed any desire for people to get it by producing a better version on other platforms and focusing on that (Mass Effect Trilogy).
Again, not saying that suddenly AC would have sold millions on Wii U, but things like that do not help.
You cannot create a shoddy port, remove features etc. and expect the consumer to lap it up. It's essentially the same situation as Mass Effect 3 with EA. They released it, sure, but they also destroyed any desire for people to get it by producing a better version on other platforms and focusing on that (Mass Effect Trilogy).
Again, not saying that suddenly AC would have sold millions on Wii U, but things like that do not help.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
and I love survival horror games, I will get it someday for sure.
You were a part of the problem.
But seriously, Rayman Legends sold more on the Wii U than the others, and it still had bad numbers on the Wii U because everyone hated them. I hope they keep pushing out the little games like Child of Light, but if you want to see any kind of effort out of Ubisoft, you have to buy the market leader.
Zombi U was definitely the scariest game I played, before I saw a stream of P.T.
I'd like to think he meant their spending habits. I don't think Nintendo users on average are down for the whole release now, patch later style, and all that would entail. Since Nintendo is good at what they do, people would rather buy back cataloged and VC Nintendo games, rather than get the third party 'efforts.' Ubisoft and EA spent all of the Wii's lifespan, trying to see how little effort they could put into the next game and still make money. Capcom went from REmake and RE4 to on rails bullshit. Ubisoft has no QA for the life of them, so all their stuff, while ambitious at times, get notorious reps for shoddy quality, especially now with MiiVerse. Blacklist had Ubisoft's support line numbers up and down the posts. It was fucking terrible.
What self respecting consumer would keep coming back to that?
Rhazer Fusion
Member
They gave them a chance. Games didn't sell. They are cutting their losses. Unfortunate, but very understandable especially from a financial standpoint. It seems like Wii U consumers are not interested in those types of games or are experiencing them somewhere else possibly. I honestly think it is lack of interest though.
JB-the-Hunter
Member
Bayonetta 2 is key for the future of "hardcore" "AAA" third party support on Wii U. Nintendo has to market Bayonetta 2 HARD when it gets close to release, especially since so many people make a big deal about the game. If it sells well, while it won't make third parties rush to put their games on Wii U, it will show that the reason so many third party games don't sell isn't because Nintendo fans don't want them.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
I don't necessarily think the problem is procuring the third party support, but the problem lies in the consumers just not showing interest. Unfortunately, I am not sure if Nintendo can do much about that.
OrbitalBeard
Member
Bayonetta 2's performance isn't going to have any effect on how western third party publishers like Ubisoft, EA and Take 2 do business on Nintendo platforms. It's a mature game but it's really not targeting the same audience those publishers cater towards.
If Bayo 2 ends up being a huge surprise hit, maaaaybe it will get the attention of some Japanese publishers like Capcom or Square-Enix, but even that seems unlikely at this point.
It will bomb hard no matter what.
They can advertise the shit out of Bayonetta 2 but it won't make a difference in the current situation. Heck, even Nintendo's AAA games barely move the needle.
Sylverstone14
Member
Well, I bought ZombiU, Assassin's Creed IV, and Splinter Cell (with a possible consideration for Watch_Dogs), so I suppose I held up my end of the bargain.
Best of luck in your future endeavors, Ubisoft.
Best of luck in your future endeavors, Ubisoft.
Aquamarine
Member
There are still casual games.
Disney Interactive with Disney Infinity.
Activision with Skylanders.
Warner Bros. with LEGO titles.
Bandai Namco with 3D Pac-Man.
Ubisoft with Just Dance.
And some miscellaneous casual shovelware.
SatoAilDarko
Member
That has a heavy camera component. Something not possible at all on Wii U. They would have to radically change the game.
no they didn't
ac4 was a bad port with no dlc, why would people buy a gimped version for the same price when they have options?
DaSorcerer7
Member
Oh well, did my part. I understand their stance though.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
Your first point is hamstrung by the second.
The reality is Nintendo games always sell better than non-Nintendo games. The only way to change that would be to get some third-party exclusives that can change the brand awareness a bit.
metalslimer
Member
It could sell a million copies (it won't) and it wouldn't change anyone's mind. Not to mention the biggest games soon won't even be able to run on Wii U when they remove PS3/360 support. I want Bayonetta 2 to do well so that Nintendo keeps investing in games like it.
This is one of the reasons why I didn't buy AC and Blacklist.
JB-the-Hunter
Member
Like I said, it's not going to have a huge effect, but I don't think it won't have any effect at all. Even if Bayonetta 2 isn't for the same audience as most Western games, it's still an M-rated game. Bayonetta 2's success would help remove some of the stigma about Nintendo fans and mature rated games.
Tell me how you really feel
Ubisoft gave Nintendo customers an inferior version of AC IV and because of that, it was obvious it didn't going to sell well. I'm sure there's lot's of Wii U owners who want to play AC IV but they know how awful the game runs on the console so they don't buy it because of that. Ubisoft did a terrible job porting the game properly on Wii U. Oh well. I can't wait for Just Dance 2015. What is Assasin's Creed?
Werewolf Jones
Member
I actually would've bought that new AC that wasn't Unity on Wii-U had they released it if it was just like AC IV. Had a good time playing that game on Wii-U but ah well, UbiSoft's decision.
Smiles and Cries
Member
I can't believe people have the nerve to say they tried
why would you get AC Black Flag on WiiU? It has no DLC and does not run as well so there were many reasons to pass on that version
they tried?
Watch Dogs is they tried too I guess lol
why would you get AC Black Flag on WiiU? It has no DLC and does not run as well so there were many reasons to pass on that version
they tried?
Watch Dogs is they tried too I guess lol
Chû Totoro
Member
Yves Guillemot said:
I'm ok with no AC or WD. Please keep making "other kinds of games" on Wii U though such as Rayman, Child of Light or Zombi U. Please at least make a Zombi U sequel.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
I actually liked the AC4 port. It ran well, had Off-TV-Play and controlled well. I also had the game on 360 and I preferred the Wii U version a lot due to Off-TV-Play. I'd have loved to play Rogue on Wii U, too. And, considering I'm not a huge fan of action games (Bayonetta, Hyrule Warriors) nor Smash Bros., AC Rogue would probably have been my number one choice for a christmas game this year on Wii U.
Nevertheless, I think it's strange that they don't port Rogue as their last mature game instead of Watch Dogs (or in addition to it) - I can't imagine it being a lot of work considering they already have the engine running on Wii U due to AC3 and AC4, including features like Off-TV-Play, so a really small team would probably suffice (maybe even a single person?) and considering how scarce the Wii U line up in the second half of the year is, they could have probably negotiated a very low royalty price from Nintendo. Also, it would probably help the late WD-release to sell a bit more and lastly, this time there would not be any competition in form of a PS4 / Xbone version.
Nevertheless, I think it's strange that they don't port Rogue as their last mature game instead of Watch Dogs (or in addition to it) - I can't imagine it being a lot of work considering they already have the engine running on Wii U due to AC3 and AC4, including features like Off-TV-Play, so a really small team would probably suffice (maybe even a single person?) and considering how scarce the Wii U line up in the second half of the year is, they could have probably negotiated a very low royalty price from Nintendo. Also, it would probably help the late WD-release to sell a bit more and lastly, this time there would not be any competition in form of a PS4 / Xbone version.
Zombi U - bought it with my Wii U. Great game, very tense atmosphere.
Rayman Legends - bought it at release, full price, despite the delay.
Assassins Creed III - had it on PSN+ for 'free'. The game was crap. Didn't buy on Wii U.
Assassins Creed IV - didn't buy because every AC game I've played was crap.
Splinter Cell - didn't buy; heard mixed things about it.
Just Dance - never played it; never will. No interest.
I can't fault Ubisoft for trying, after all, they did make some new games and despite the delay of Rayman it was still a game built for the system. I just dont think their titles align well with the demographic on Wii U.
Perhaps if they were making games like they used to - Beyond Good and Evil, for example, it might be a bit more of an overlap. But based on what they are making in the short term, it's not like I personally will miss much of their output.
Rayman Legends - bought it at release, full price, despite the delay.
Assassins Creed III - had it on PSN+ for 'free'. The game was crap. Didn't buy on Wii U.
Assassins Creed IV - didn't buy because every AC game I've played was crap.
Splinter Cell - didn't buy; heard mixed things about it.
Just Dance - never played it; never will. No interest.
I can't fault Ubisoft for trying, after all, they did make some new games and despite the delay of Rayman it was still a game built for the system. I just dont think their titles align well with the demographic on Wii U.
Perhaps if they were making games like they used to - Beyond Good and Evil, for example, it might be a bit more of an overlap. But based on what they are making in the short term, it's not like I personally will miss much of their output.
metalslimer
Member
Pretty sure they know it will sell like shit. Hence it being the last M rated game they make for the system.
Yes it's seems like, so this is purely a business decision, people don't by these games on the WiiU. You would be a very bad business-man if you would keep producing these titles for the WiiU. In the end it's the end-users own fault and in some degree also Nintendo's for making a system that is hard to develop for.
Infernal Monkey
Member
What was actually bad about the port, other than not having additional fluff content to purchase? Did it run poorly or something?
Smiles and Cries
Member
I'm going to buy the shit out of Watch Dogs WiiU out of spite Ubisoft
OUT OF SPITE I TELL U!!
Things like that are a drop in the ocean and won't make any difference. Most Wanted was an excellent port and sold like shit anyways, same for Tekken Tag 2. Why? because their audience is elsewhere, period. Even if AC3-4 had all the DLCs and looked slightly better than the PS360 version it wouldn't have changed anything. The few people that have a WiiU only want Nintendo games, and not even all of them, as W101 bombed awfully just like Sin&Punishment 2 on the Wii.
To be fair, EA barely promoted Most Wanted U and undershipped it. Grainger Games in the UK got 20 copies for the entire company. Plus, it was a very late port. You cannot make late ports and expect them to sell gangbusters.
OrbitalBeard
Member
Using Most Wanted as an example is like, the worst argument ever. EA and Nintendo clearly had a massive falling-out before the Wii U even launched. It's clear EA never planned to support the console beyond the launch window. Most Wanted U received no marketing whatsoever, launched five months after the other versions and was heavily discounted on EA's store the DAY the game was released. That game was doomed from the start; EA had absolutely no intention of supporting the platform.