Connecting dots where they don't need to be connected.
Stig and his team spent almost 100 million dollars on a game that failed every QA test that took. The game sucked. They shitcanned the game and a lot of the people involved. They offered stig a spot on barlog's project - he didn't want to go from game director to something lesser so he quit.
This makes sense, right? Shitty game, money wasted, people fired, head guy leaves out of ego? I mean that all makes sense.
Amy Hennig has creative differences about the direction that UC4 should go in. Egos swell, she leaves. She's happy, she will make another studio much better when she gets there. Justin Richmond, an ally of Hennig's, gets an offer he can't refuse from Riot. He leaves.
These things happen. Naughty Dog is going to be fine. UC4 will still be awesome. Riot will be better with the pickup of Richmond and whoever gets Hennig will be better off. The sky isn't falling.
Guerilla Cambridge is working on a vita game that is shit and won't sell. They slim down as they retool for another project.
Again - this isn't new. This happens a lot.
The director of Driveclub doesn't deliver the game on time. Given more time the game still needs work. He is replaced.
Wouldn't you replace him? Wouldn't you shitcan stig's project that cost them almost 100 mil and had nothing of value to show for it? In fact they should have done it two years ago. The fact they let it go this far is a testament to how much they believed in him after GoW 3.
And all of this is happening before the fiscal year ends. Is sony trimming fat? Of course. Sony corporation is not in a great spot. So they are tightening up a bit. But a lot of people are connecting dots that don't need to be connected. Hennig/Richmond is about creative differences and ego. Stig is about wasted money and time. Col Rogers (driveclub) is about failing to deliver. Taken on their own they all make sense. Combine them together and you get glenn beck with a chalkboard.
And Jack Tretton was about money and inability to move up. He will make more money and have more power somewhere else - something Sony simply could not offer him. Shit happens.
It's the same with the xbox department guys. People move around. People leave for other companies. Shit happens.
We can only assume so. Which makes the whole situation pretty weird.Who is running Uncharted 4 now? Seriously? Amy and Justin are both gone now.
Is it really Neil and Bruce?
90 minutes of pre-rendered cutscenes. Embrace them!
Connecting dots where they don't need to be connected.
Stig and his team spent almost 100 million dollars on a game that failed every QA test that took. The game sucked. They shitcanned the game and a lot of the people involved. They offered stig a spot on barlog's project - he didn't want to go from game director to something lesser so he quit.
This makes sense, right? Shitty game, money wasted, people fired, head guy leaves out of ego? I mean that all makes sense.
Amy Hennig has creative differences about the direction that UC4 should go in. Egos swell, she leaves. She's happy, she will make another studio much better when she gets there. Justin Richmond, an ally of Hennig's, gets an offer he can't refuse from Riot. He leaves.
These things happen. Naughty Dog is going to be fine. UC4 will still be awesome. Riot will be better with the pickup of Richmond and whoever gets Hennig will be better off. The sky isn't falling.
Guerilla Cambridge is working on a vita game that is shit and won't sell. They slim down as they retool for another project.
Again - this isn't new. This happens a lot.
The director of Driveclub doesn't deliver the game on time. Given more time the game still needs work. He is replaced.
Wouldn't you replace him? Wouldn't you shitcan stig's project that cost them almost 100 mil and had nothing of value to show for it? In fact they should have done it two years ago. The fact they let it go this far is a testament to how much they believed in him after GoW 3.
And all of this is happening before the fiscal year ends. Is sony trimming fat? Of course. Sony corporation is not in a great spot. So they are tightening up a bit. But a lot of people are connecting dots that don't need to be connected. Hennig/Richmond is about creative differences and ego. Stig is about wasted money and time. Col Rogers (driveclub) is about failing to deliver. Taken on their own they all make sense. Combine them together and you get glenn beck with a chalkboard.
And Jack Tretton was about money and inability to move up. He will make more money and have more power somewhere else - something Sony simply could not offer him. Shit happens.
It's the same with the xbox department guys. People move around. People leave for other companies. Shit happens.
Interesting. Quoted.
Uhu, I'm only nerdy enough to know individuals and how and when they left for a few franchices, but look at something like Silent Hill. There was a new director for every Silent Hill game with team silent... and producers were also changed around all the time. They still maintained to be pretty damn consistently awesome and even though the director of SH1 left completey, SH2 is still pretty much regarded as the best one... and SH3 being pretty damn popular too which was a new director again, who then joined Kojima. It seems pretty damn normal for people to move around a lot like this.
I'm sure there's still lots of people at ND that have worked on the different uncharted games and can carry the ideas over.
It's important to note, that even before this recent exodus of talent and tound of layoffs sony are not what they were during the ps3 era
Team ico is all but kaput, insomniac are working with microsoft, zipper dead, sony liverpool dead, big huge games, incognito, superbot etc
Ninja theory is making cellphone games (i believe), united front are making watch dogs etc
This is worrying stuff
I wouldn't call four years of development "early stages".
Seems impossible. It sounded like it was stuck in pre-production. So not a huge team.Stig's game cost a hundred million dollars? I can't imagine how.
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person on GAF who liked Uncharted 3.
I liked it too.
Uncharted 3 was the game of its year.
I wouldn't call four years of development "early stages".
Most of the four years were spent in pre-production where only a handful of people are working on it. (Concept artists, directors, etc)
There is no way $100 Million was spent on this game.
It's important to note, that even before this recent exodus of talent and tound of layoffs sony are not what they were during the ps3 era
Team ico is all but kaput, insomniac are working with microsoft, zipper dead, sony liverpool dead, big huge games, incognito, superbot etc
Ninja theory is making cellphone games (i believe), united front are making watch dogs etc
This is worrying stuff
united front are making watch dogs etc
What the hell? Whyyyy? Ugh.Connecting dots where they don't need to be connected.
Stig and his team spent almost 100 million dollars on a game that failed every QA test that took. The game sucked. They shitcanned the game and a lot of the people involved. They offered stig a spot on barlog's project - he didn't want to go from game director to something lesser so he quit.
Amy Hennig has creative differences about the direction that UC4 should go in. Egos swell, she leaves. She's happy, she will make another studio much better when she gets there. Justin Richmond, an ally of Hennig's, gets an offer he can't refuse from Riot. He leaves.
Guerilla Cambridge is working on a vita game that is shit and won't sell. They slim down as they retool for another project.
The director of Driveclub doesn't deliver the game on time. Given more time the game still needs work. He is replaced.
And Jack Tretton was about money and inability to move up. He will make more money and have more power somewhere else - something Sony simply could not offer him. Shit happens.
It's the same with the xbox department guys. People move around. People leave for other companies. Shit happens.
Hmm I dont know its a new Ip that they apparently had to change as well.I think $50MM makes more sense unless they spent a lot on visual effects (CGI?) and prototyping or something.
Connecting dots where they don't need to be connected.
Stig and his team spent almost 100 million dollars on a game that failed every QA test that took. The game sucked. They shitcanned the game and a lot of the people involved. They offered stig a spot on barlog's project - he didn't want to go from game director to something lesser so he quit.
This makes sense, right? Shitty game, money wasted, people fired, head guy leaves out of ego? I mean that all makes sense.
Amy Hennig has creative differences about the direction that UC4 should go in. Egos swell, she leaves. She's happy, she will make another studio much better when she gets there. Justin Richmond, an ally of Hennig's, gets an offer he can't refuse from Riot. He leaves.
These things happen. Naughty Dog is going to be fine. UC4 will still be awesome. Riot will be better with the pickup of Richmond and whoever gets Hennig will be better off. The sky isn't falling.
Guerilla Cambridge is working on a vita game that is shit and won't sell. They slim down as they retool for another project.
Again - this isn't new. This happens a lot.
The director of Driveclub doesn't deliver the game on time. Given more time the game still needs work. He is replaced.
Wouldn't you replace him? Wouldn't you shitcan stig's project that cost them almost 100 mil and had nothing of value to show for it? In fact they should have done it two years ago. The fact they let it go this far is a testament to how much they believed in him after GoW 3.
And all of this is happening before the fiscal year ends. Is sony trimming fat? Of course. Sony corporation is not in a great spot. So they are tightening up a bit. But a lot of people are connecting dots that don't need to be connected. Hennig/Richmond is about creative differences and ego. Stig is about wasted money and time. Col Rogers (driveclub) is about failing to deliver. Taken on their own they all make sense. Combine them together and you get glenn beck with a chalkboard.
And Jack Tretton was about money and inability to move up. He will make more money and have more power somewhere else - something Sony simply could not offer him. Shit happens.
It's the same with the xbox department guys. People move around. People leave for other companies. Shit happens.
90 minutes of pre-rendered cutscenes. Embrace them!
Stig's game cost a hundred million dollars? I can't imagine how.
I think $50MM makes more sense unless they spent a lot on visual effects (CGI?) and prototyping or something.
There's really no evidence it was never in full production. I can't imagine somebody would let a game stay in preproduction for 4 years.
Sony spent $40M on LA Noire before R* took it on.I mean, is there a precedent for this type of massive money skin in the history of this industry? What vapor ware has lost that amount of money. That is insane, I can't believe that number.
It would take five hundred people working on it to burn that much cash, and the general belief seems to be it had a skeleton crew until Ascension wrapped and that majority of that team rotated over to Stig's game.Really? You cannot imagine an AAA game being in development for 4 years costing $100M?
cambridge is working on another vita game?
Depends on the number of people working on the project. 100 people at 100k for 4 years? Definitely possible, but that does seem a little high.
Oh sure, I'm sure it was in full production for 1 to 2 years. But with a staff size of 80 people, I can't imagine it being anywhere close to $100MM.I think $50MM makes more sense unless they spent a lot on visual effects (CGI?) and prototyping or something.
There's really no evidence it was never in full production. I can't imagine somebody would let a game stay in preproduction for 4 years.
Connecting dots where they don't need to be connected.
Stig and his team spent almost 100 million dollars on a game that failed every QA test that took. The game sucked. They shitcanned the game and a lot of the people involved. They offered stig a spot on barlog's project - he didn't want to go from game director to something lesser so he quit.
I don't know what cambridge is working on. I don't think they know. I think they slimmed down as they figure out what they are doing next. If/when that's approved, they will hire people again. Many studios operate like this. Especially lower-tier ones like GC.
I heard various numbers between 75mil and 90 mil for stig's game. I said "almost 100" because, well, both are almost 100 mil. They restarted the game, from scratch, THREE TIMES! And it sucked every time. The whole "it was too much like destiny" thing is bullshit. It was more horror-ish and like Dead Space than Destiny. That whole thing was sony jumping on the grenade to help stig save face. And help themselves save face as they wasted a fucking TON of money.
They rebooted that shit apparently. So yeah they had little to show for that $100 million. That is unbelievable level of mismanagement from Sony and if I was working for them I'd start exploring my career options as well.
Connecting dots where they don't need to be connected.
Stig and his team spent almost 100 million dollars on a game that failed every QA test that took. The game sucked. They shitcanned the game and a lot of the people involved. They offered stig a spot on barlog's project - he didn't want to go from game director to something lesser so he quit.
This makes sense, right? Shitty game, money wasted, people fired, head guy leaves out of ego? I mean that all makes sense.
Amy Hennig has creative differences about the direction that UC4 should go in. Egos swell, she leaves. She's happy, she will make another studio much better when she gets there. Justin Richmond, an ally of Hennig's, gets an offer he can't refuse from Riot. He leaves.
These things happen. Naughty Dog is going to be fine. UC4 will still be awesome. Riot will be better with the pickup of Richmond and whoever gets Hennig will be better off. The sky isn't falling.
Guerilla Cambridge is working on a vita game that is shit and won't sell. They slim down as they retool for another project.
Again - this isn't new. This happens a lot.
The director of Driveclub doesn't deliver the game on time. Given more time the game still needs work. He is replaced.
Wouldn't you replace him? Wouldn't you shitcan stig's project that cost them almost 100 mil and had nothing of value to show for it? In fact they should have done it two years ago. The fact they let it go this far is a testament to how much they believed in him after GoW 3.
And all of this is happening before the fiscal year ends. Is sony trimming fat? Of course. Sony corporation is not in a great spot. So they are tightening up a bit. But a lot of people are connecting dots that don't need to be connected. Hennig/Richmond is about creative differences and ego. Stig is about wasted money and time. Col Rogers (driveclub) is about failing to deliver. Taken on their own they all make sense. Combine them together and you get glenn beck with a chalkboard.
And Jack Tretton was about money and inability to move up. He will make more money and have more power somewhere else - something Sony simply could not offer him. Shit happens.
It's the same with the xbox department guys. People move around. People leave for other companies. Shit happens.
Oh man that sounds like a complete mess.I don't know what cambridge is working on. I don't think they know. I think they slimmed down as they figure out what they are doing next. If/when that's approved, they will hire people again. Many studios operate like this. Especially lower-tier ones like GC.
I heard various numbers between 75mil and 90 mil for stig's game. I said "almost 100" because, well, both are almost 100 mil. They restarted the game, from scratch, THREE TIMES! And it sucked every time. The whole "it was too much like destiny" thing is bullshit. It was more horror-ish and like Dead Space than Destiny. That whole thing was sony jumping on the grenade to help stig save face. And help themselves save face as they wasted a fucking TON of money.
I don't know what cambridge is working on. I don't think they know. I think they slimmed down as they figure out what they are doing next. If/when that's approved, they will hire people again. Many studios operate like this. Especially lower-tier ones like GC.
I heard various numbers between 75mil and 90 mil for stig's game. I said "almost 100" because, well, both are almost 100 mil. They restarted the game, from scratch, THREE TIMES! And it sucked every time. The whole "it was too much like destiny" thing is bullshit. It was more horror-ish and like Dead Space than Destiny. That whole thing was sony jumping on the grenade to help stig save face. And help themselves save face as they wasted a fucking TON of money.
Connecting dots where they don't need to be connected.
Stig and his team spent almost 100 million dollars on a game that failed every QA test that took. The game sucked. They shitcanned the game and a lot of the people involved. They offered stig a spot on barlog's project - he didn't want to go from game director to something lesser so he quit.
This makes sense, right? Shitty game, money wasted, people fired, head guy leaves out of ego? I mean that all makes sense.
Amy Hennig has creative differences about the direction that UC4 should go in. Egos swell, she leaves. She's happy, she will make another studio much better when she gets there. Justin Richmond, an ally of Hennig's, gets an offer he can't refuse from Riot. He leaves.
These things happen. Naughty Dog is going to be fine. UC4 will still be awesome. Riot will be better with the pickup of Richmond and whoever gets Hennig will be better off. The sky isn't falling.
Guerilla Cambridge is working on a vita game that is shit and won't sell. They slim down as they retool for another project.
Again - this isn't new. This happens a lot.
The director of Driveclub doesn't deliver the game on time. Given more time the game still needs work. He is replaced.
Wouldn't you replace him? Wouldn't you shitcan stig's project that cost them almost 100 mil and had nothing of value to show for it? In fact they should have done it two years ago. The fact they let it go this far is a testament to how much they believed in him after GoW 3.
And all of this is happening before the fiscal year ends. Is sony trimming fat? Of course. Sony corporation is not in a great spot. So they are tightening up a bit. But a lot of people are connecting dots that don't need to be connected. Hennig/Richmond is about creative differences and ego. Stig is about wasted money and time. Col Rogers (driveclub) is about failing to deliver. Taken on their own they all make sense. Combine them together and you get glenn beck with a chalkboard.
And Jack Tretton was about money and inability to move up. He will make more money and have more power somewhere else - something Sony simply could not offer him. Shit happens.
It's the same with the xbox department guys. People move around. People leave for other companies. Shit happens.
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I don't know what cambridge is working on. I don't think they know. I think they slimmed down as they figure out what they are doing next. If/when that's approved, they will hire people again. Many studios operate like this. Especially lower-tier ones like GC.
I heard various numbers between 75mil and 90 mil for stig's game. I said "almost 100" because, well, both are almost 100 mil. They restarted the game, from scratch, THREE TIMES! And it sucked every time. The whole "it was too much like destiny" thing is bullshit. It was more horror-ish and like Dead Space than Destiny. That whole thing was sony jumping on the grenade to help stig save face. And help themselves save face as they wasted a fucking TON of money.
I don't know what cambridge is working on. I don't think they know. I think they slimmed down as they figure out what they are doing next. If/when that's approved, they will hire people again. Many studios operate like this. Especially lower-tier ones like GC.
I heard various numbers between 75mil and 90 mil for stig's game. I said "almost 100" because, well, both are almost 100 mil. They restarted the game, from scratch, THREE TIMES! And it sucked every time. The whole "it was too much like destiny" thing is bullshit. It was more horror-ish and like Dead Space than Destiny. That whole thing was sony jumping on the grenade to help stig save face. And help themselves save face as they wasted a fucking TON of money.
Connecting dots where they don't need to be connected.
Stig and his team spent almost 100 million dollars on a game that failed every QA test that took. The game sucked. They shitcanned the game and a lot of the people involved. They offered stig a spot on barlog's project - he didn't want to go from game director to something lesser so he quit.
This makes sense, right? Shitty game, money wasted, people fired, head guy leaves out of ego? I mean that all makes sense.
Amy Hennig has creative differences about the direction that UC4 should go in. Egos swell, she leaves. She's happy, she will make another studio much better when she gets there. Justin Richmond, an ally of Hennig's, gets an offer he can't refuse from Riot. He leaves.
These things happen. Naughty Dog is going to be fine. UC4 will still be awesome. Riot will be better with the pickup of Richmond and whoever gets Hennig will be better off. The sky isn't falling.
Guerilla Cambridge is working on a vita game that is shit and won't sell. They slim down as they retool for another project.
Again - this isn't new. This happens a lot.
The director of Driveclub doesn't deliver the game on time. Given more time the game still needs work. He is replaced.
Wouldn't you replace him? Wouldn't you shitcan stig's project that cost them almost 100 mil and had nothing of value to show for it? In fact they should have done it two years ago. The fact they let it go this far is a testament to how much they believed in him after GoW 3.
And all of this is happening before the fiscal year ends. Is sony trimming fat? Of course. Sony corporation is not in a great spot. So they are tightening up a bit. But a lot of people are connecting dots that don't need to be connected. Hennig/Richmond is about creative differences and ego. Stig is about wasted money and time. Col Rogers (driveclub) is about failing to deliver. Taken on their own they all make sense. Combine them together and you get glenn beck with a chalkboard.
And Jack Tretton was about money and inability to move up. He will make more money and have more power somewhere else - something Sony simply could not offer him. Shit happens.
It's the same with the xbox department guys. People move around. People leave for other companies. Shit happens.
UPDATE: SCEA says "the development timeline of Uncharted will not be impacted."
Haha. I hope you will like the next game from both studios more then. They are aware of the shortcomings Not to mention that both titles were more expensive than their predecessor, but had to be developed with much less time available (extreme rushing).From what I played on Uncharted 3 I wouldn't be surprised. There's not much difference between a game that plays itself and one that gives you the illusion of agency and then fails you out whenever you try and employ some.
Yes, I stopped playing after the the young Drake rooftop chase.
I can only hope whatever creative issues are at play with Uncharted 4 lead to something less tyrannically directed than the last one.
Do you have any more info to share on this? (Or have you already talked about this in some other thread? Or has anybody else?) Guerilla Cambridge did such a wonderful job on Killzone: Mercenary and I was really hoping that we'd see more from them. Having them do a new IP would be cool, but I wouldn't have minded them assuming stewardship over the Killzone franchise as Guerilla Amsterdam move on to other stuff.. Any more info about their fate or what they have been up to since handing in Mercenary would basically be much appreciated!Guerilla Cambridge is working on a vita game that is shit and won't sell. They slim down as they retool for another project.
Connecting dots where they don't need to be connected.
Stig and his team spent almost 100 million dollars on a game that failed every QA test that took. The game sucked. They shitcanned the game and a lot of the people involved. They offered stig a spot on barlog's project - he didn't want to go from game director to something lesser so he quit.
This makes sense, right? Shitty game, money wasted, people fired, head guy leaves out of ego? I mean that all makes sense.
Amy Hennig has creative differences about the direction that UC4 should go in. Egos swell, she leaves. She's happy, she will make another studio much better when she gets there. Justin Richmond, an ally of Hennig's, gets an offer he can't refuse from Riot. He leaves.
These things happen. Naughty Dog is going to be fine. UC4 will still be awesome. Riot will be better with the pickup of Richmond and whoever gets Hennig will be better off. The sky isn't falling.
Guerilla Cambridge is working on a vita game that is shit and won't sell. They slim down as they retool for another project.
Again - this isn't new. This happens a lot.
The director of Driveclub doesn't deliver the game on time. Given more time the game still needs work. He is replaced.
Wouldn't you replace him? Wouldn't you shitcan stig's project that cost them almost 100 mil and had nothing of value to show for it? In fact they should have done it two years ago. The fact they let it go this far is a testament to how much they believed in him after GoW 3.
And all of this is happening before the fiscal year ends. Is sony trimming fat? Of course. Sony corporation is not in a great spot. So they are tightening up a bit. But a lot of people are connecting dots that don't need to be connected. Hennig/Richmond is about creative differences and ego. Stig is about wasted money and time. Col Rogers (driveclub) is about failing to deliver. Taken on their own they all make sense. Combine them together and you get glenn beck with a chalkboard.
And Jack Tretton was about money and inability to move up. He will make more money and have more power somewhere else - something Sony simply could not offer him. Shit happens.
It's the same with the xbox department guys. People move around. People leave for other companies. Shit happens.
I'd imagine everyone is. All these people leaving is far more than just "Sony is cutting the fat guys!!! No need to worry"
Weird how their first party studios are shrinking when the PS4 is dominating the market. PS4 needs more AA and AAA games, not less :|