Nightengale
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So they're both likely taking a bath on the consoles? I thought this gen would be different in that regard honestly.
At launch.
So they're both likely taking a bath on the consoles? I thought this gen would be different in that regard honestly.
what's your ps4 price estimate?
A controller is $15 to make but costs what, $60 to buy?
I'm sorry but...
Also, the cost of the box without Kinect is $347 by this estimate vs $381 for PS4. A Kinect-less SKU would not have much more price flexibility than the PS4 in the grand scheme and GDDR5 prices will come down faster than DDR3 which is already close to base cost. Add in pressure on MS to profit from the outset with the Bone and if anything a Kinect-less SKU will not be able to undercut the PS4 at all and it will be a straight fight on power and first party games, one that I don't believe MS can win.
$407 was the final figure.
And much lower losses relatively. To get back to last gen style losses they'd need to price the systems at $200 or $100. And they'd at least push mass volume without issue at that cost if they survived the aftermath.At launch.
Also, the cost of the box without Kinect is $347 by this estimate vs $381 for PS4. A Kinect-less SKU would not have much more price flexibility than the PS4 in the grand scheme and GDDR5 prices will come down faster than DDR3 which is already close to base cost. Add in pressure on MS to profit from the outset with the Bone and if anything a Kinect-less SKU will not be able to undercut the PS4 at all and it will be a straight fight on power and first party games, one that I don't believe MS can win.
so what you are saying is -EL CUDO said:No wonder share holders want to spin off Xbox. If the PR is indicative of anything, seems like poor management all around.
Suppose to ask but who do you think can cut cost faster MS or Sony zomg .
But same difference?
Sure, I get that. Still seems a horrendous mark up though. And dodgy practices are dodgy practices, even if everyone does them.You do realize that companies do that BECAUSE the consoles cost so much and they don't make much if any profit on the system itself but the peripherals sold at a high high markup?
It's pretty standard across the consumer tech industry.
How? They are designed by the same company I though the difference would be from the memory decisions, but that's a separate section.
Question i remember you saying Sony losing $60 on each consoles is that the same for every region .
Also wondering that about MS also that is if you can answer .
Somebody fucked up.
Badly.
no, the PS4 GPU is significantly more powerful. The reason the Xbone is struggling with anything over 720p isn't because of the RAM.
How? This does not even account for economy of scale, which allows Microsoft to get lower prices for buying in high volume.
These reports are pointless.
So the b esram solution ends up being more expensive yet, performs much worse. Good job....
Sounds like the RAM setup isn't helping things though.no, the PS4 GPU is significantly more powerful. The reason the Xbone is struggling with anything over 720p isn't because of the RAM.
Wait, what?
Even without Kinect, One costs more to produce than PS4.....
There are no words.
Suppose to ask but who do you think can cut cost faster MS or Sony zomg .
This is probably the weirdest price discrepancy yet. Most of the time there is an esoteric advantage to be had, like Saturn's 2D raw power or the Cell pushing the PS3 ahead visually if you could master it, even if they weren't ENOUGH to justify cost. But this, it just straight up seems to be "pay more for less," the closest thing to an esoteric advantage it has is just a bandaid making up for using DDR3 rather than GDDR5.
Breakdown comparison for those interested.
PS4
Console: $348
- CPU/GPU: $100
- RAM: $88
- Power Supply: $20
- Optical Drive: $28
- Hard Drive: $37
- Other: $75
Controller: $18
Box Contents: $6
Assembly: $9
Total: $382
Xbox One
Console: $357
- CPU/GPU: $110
- RAM: $60
- Power Supply: $25
- Optical Drive: $28
- Hard Drive: $37
- Other: $98
Controller: $15
Kinect: $75
Box Contents: $10
Assembly: $14
Total: $471
I'm honestly surprised. I thought the console would cost a good $50 less, given DDR3 and simpler design.
Not really. It's likely that DDR3 + eSRAM was a choice made early on to guarantee 8GB of RAM. Sony chose GDDR5 for the performance + simplicity and lucked out when it became available in higher densities. Remember that the PS4 originally only had 4GB of RAM.
this.Pretty much. This is less MS screwing up and more the stars aligning for Sony.
Amazing how we thought the inclusion of 8GB of GDDR5 was so profligate at the time, only for it to it turn out to be a mere $28 difference in the final accounting.