lem0n
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This, plus, graphics aren't everything. It's all about the game itself so lets see what the developers can come up with this gen
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Is something wrong with me? I'm not impressed by this generation.
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Lambda Pie
Banned
pictures don't make ISS justice. it's stunning to see it running in person.
"next gen gameplay" doesn't exist. gaming has peaked. the eventual best FPS of this gen will control exactly like Quake 2 did. like every FPS does.
"next gen gameplay" doesn't exist. gaming has peaked. the eventual best FPS of this gen will control exactly like Quake 2 did. like every FPS does.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
You don't see a difference between this
and this?
And we're only 5 months into this gen. And the above is an open world game made by a 100ish-man team.
Honestly? It feels like the resolution bump and the cool water effect are what's carrying most of that second image. Everything else doesn't look that "wow" to me
VFX_Veteran
Banned
Nope. This gen so far is unimpressive. SS just has glowing lights and reflections with great particle effects and higher resolution textures.. Something not really a leap at all. KZ:SF had similar graphics features too.
Also, a lot of people saying that the console games will get significantly better as this generation goes on is forgetting a point of diminishing returns. The console is probably near it's max right now. The hardware isn't a weird configuration like the PS3 was where developers didn't have a clue of what they were doing. Sure, we'll see an improvement in textures and possibly a few more ways to either squeeze out more FPS or add in more FX, but seeing stuff like early footage of Deep Down, Infiltrator, UE4 tech demo or Agnus as actual gameplay footage isn't going to happen.
Also, a lot of people saying that the console games will get significantly better as this generation goes on is forgetting a point of diminishing returns. The console is probably near it's max right now. The hardware isn't a weird configuration like the PS3 was where developers didn't have a clue of what they were doing. Sure, we'll see an improvement in textures and possibly a few more ways to either squeeze out more FPS or add in more FX, but seeing stuff like early footage of Deep Down, Infiltrator, UE4 tech demo or Agnus as actual gameplay footage isn't going to happen.
Ugh...don't start this crap.
DryvBy
Member
It's not absolute on what I stated. I would tell you I was wrong, which wouldn't be the first time. I'm just going with what I've experienced in the past. Look at the previous generation. Games went from looking like Call of Duty 2 to Gears of War/Halo 3 in a year. I think it's being held back by the current systems is all. And the first party games are all kind of mediocre right now. This will shirley change.
HueyFreeman
Banned
The myth of no games on the first year still lives on.
Add to that the earlier games of the first year:
SSX
Tekken Tag Tournament
TimeSplitters
Shadow of Memories
Onimusha: Warlords
Red Faction
Twisted Metal: Black
Resident Evil: Code Veronica
Soul reaver 2
Absolutely incredible. I mean, I think the argument would be there was a good size post launch drought with PS2, but you're right the first year delivered like a motherfucker.
We're never going to see something like this again with development costs where they are though.
crazy monkey
Banned
people do not play the games any more. They just look. back in a day one game was given to us and we would enjoy that for 6 month as a kid. Just enjoy the games.
Just like Resistance and PDO didn't look much better than a late gen XBox or PS2 FPS.
The myth of no games on the first year still lives on.
That's such an amazing holiday lineup. Half of those are bona fide classics. Don't forget Xbox and Gamecube launched during the same period, so Halo, Luigi's Mansion, Smash Bros. Melee, Pikmin, etc. also came out. Seriously, next time there's a best year for gaming thread, 2001 gets my vote.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I've been wowed myself now owning a PS4. Finally good ol 1080p, far superior IQ, and the incredible realistic lighting of games like Ground Zeroes and Second Son. Hell, the snappyness of the OS alone is a breath of fresh air and all the interconnectedness that offers for suspending and resuming.
Last gen was straining at the seams again with stuff like Last of Us, now the breathing room is there again I'm very happy.
Last gen was straining at the seams again with stuff like Last of Us, now the breathing room is there again I'm very happy.
Malcolm9
Member
What are people expecting really though?
Graphically the games will look better but gameplay wise until we have other methods of playing a game ie decent VR, then will just get lots of new games of the genres we know and love.
An FPS game today still plays the same way back in the Half Life 1 days, but graphically they look much better due to the increased power.
Gameplay is not going to evolve massively on the new consoles, and I think people are expecting way to much only 6 months into the new consoles lives.
Graphically the games will look better but gameplay wise until we have other methods of playing a game ie decent VR, then will just get lots of new games of the genres we know and love.
An FPS game today still plays the same way back in the Half Life 1 days, but graphically they look much better due to the increased power.
Gameplay is not going to evolve massively on the new consoles, and I think people are expecting way to much only 6 months into the new consoles lives.
Welcome to indie gaming. I have been completely disenfranchised by the AAA output foucssing on the lowest common denominator the last few years.
Indie gaming has kept this hobby alive for me. Best place for creative and innovative game design.
Welcome to 2008
shark sandwich
tenuously links anime, pedophile and incels
This generation definitely is a letdown so far. In terms of processing power this is probably the smallest generational leap in console gaming history, which is all the more disappointing when you remember last-gen lasted 7-8 years.
The vast majority of games so far are cross-gen games that look slightly prettier on PS4/X1, and/or sequels to long-running series with evolutionary (not revolutionary) improvements.
That said, I think there is enormous potential in this hardware. For the first time we have systems with a generous amount of RAM, full-featured operating systems, cloud computing, VR, vastly-improved motion tracking, and lots of potential for future expansion. I hope we see something that truly surprises and delights us.
Another generation of "same games but with better graphics" is a recipe for a shrinking and stagnant market, IMO.
The vast majority of games so far are cross-gen games that look slightly prettier on PS4/X1, and/or sequels to long-running series with evolutionary (not revolutionary) improvements.
That said, I think there is enormous potential in this hardware. For the first time we have systems with a generous amount of RAM, full-featured operating systems, cloud computing, VR, vastly-improved motion tracking, and lots of potential for future expansion. I hope we see something that truly surprises and delights us.
Another generation of "same games but with better graphics" is a recipe for a shrinking and stagnant market, IMO.
geordiemp
Member
To all the people on here not impressed, what exactly did you expect ?
Motion controls has died popularity wise, so what on earth were people expecting from a 1.8 TF console with a traditional controller ?
I for one thought that many games last generation had there enjoyment spoilt with frame tearing, stuttering and heavy action slide show problems spoiling some great games.
I recall playing Borderlands 1 on 360 and the game chugging to single digits when too many enemies on screen (those flying birds for example).
I am glad next gen on Ps4 has fixed this, torn frames and poor game performance is not acceptable, and this is why we needed a new gen.
I don't know why some users think all of a sudden certain game genres will play differently. A driving game is still a driving game and a FPS is still a shooter...especially in the change over period...
Motion controls has died popularity wise, so what on earth were people expecting from a 1.8 TF console with a traditional controller ?
I for one thought that many games last generation had there enjoyment spoilt with frame tearing, stuttering and heavy action slide show problems spoiling some great games.
I recall playing Borderlands 1 on 360 and the game chugging to single digits when too many enemies on screen (those flying birds for example).
I am glad next gen on Ps4 has fixed this, torn frames and poor game performance is not acceptable, and this is why we needed a new gen.
I don't know why some users think all of a sudden certain game genres will play differently. A driving game is still a driving game and a FPS is still a shooter...especially in the change over period...
I don't think the idea of "first year of the generation is always like this" is correct. People gave some examples of the first year of other consoles, so I won't talk on that perspective, but instead the one that game companies are taking less risks. Why games are still cross-gen? Because games are being designed to be that way. And even titles exclusive to this gen could be achieved on the last one with worse graphics, but the same content. Sure, 60 fps games would be 30 (and maybe not stable) and that surely hurts the gameplay experience, but nothing related to the AI or game design itself is next-gen so far, and that's why I agree with the OP.
Game companies used to take more risks before. Oblivion wasn't released on the PS2/Xbox. Nor Dead Rising, Lost Planet and sports titles had the same title, but different gameplay. They were more confident on consoles sales. Now? Not so much. Ubisoft said "we will have games for PS3 and 360 for this year and probably the years after” and they were asking just a couple of years ago for new hardware because they were reaching a limit. Why the change of thought?
Game companies used to take more risks before. Oblivion wasn't released on the PS2/Xbox. Nor Dead Rising, Lost Planet and sports titles had the same title, but different gameplay. They were more confident on consoles sales. Now? Not so much. Ubisoft said "we will have games for PS3 and 360 for this year and probably the years after” and they were asking just a couple of years ago for new hardware because they were reaching a limit. Why the change of thought?
Melchiah
Member
Yeah, there was a drought between the EU November launch and March, with only SSX, TTT, TimeSplitters, and Shadow of Memories as noteworthy games. But I didn't complain back then either, as SSX and SoM are still one of my favorites.
I agree, that we won't probably see such a variety of great games this year, but I think there'll be more than enough of them, at least for me.
It has my vote as well, followed by 1999 (Silent Hill, Soul Reaver, FFVIII, RE3...) and the last year.
Yup. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't played it. It looks so fucking good. Shadowfall is equally as impressive as well.
The funny thing about the gameplay argument is that Infamous has some of the most unique gameplay elements to come out of last gen, and certainly is one of the most unique franchises.
While I don't think that gam play from a mechanics perspective is going to evolve much this gen, I still think there is a lot of opportunity when it comes to world simulation and physics and other things that make a world more reactive and "real". Games in the past (and many early current gen games) use backgrounds barely interactive sets. This gen we should see worlds that will realistically react to everything, The Order 1886 supposedly has soft body physics on everything, like metal beams bending and reacting in real-time to weapon fire. These kinds of things will effect gameplay.
comedy bomb
Banned
I think the biggest problem for me is I haven't seen anything I haven't played to death before on previous gens. I will admit MK8 looks pretty though.
Having just bought my Xbox 360 (because it's 2005) surely, Gun, Kameo and Call of Duty 2 represent everything this generation has to offer.
Sarcasm aside, I've been fairly pleased seeing what's been done already during the transitional stage of development for current-gen. Stuff like Ryse and Killzone (all other things aside) look very nice, even having had access to higher-end PC titles. Infamous SS does look gorgeous, but I also see room for advancement in each that doesn't even hint of being out of reach for the hardware.
Sarcasm aside, I've been fairly pleased seeing what's been done already during the transitional stage of development for current-gen. Stuff like Ryse and Killzone (all other things aside) look very nice, even having had access to higher-end PC titles. Infamous SS does look gorgeous, but I also see room for advancement in each that doesn't even hint of being out of reach for the hardware.
I don't understand how can anyone say that, the IQ in GTA5 is HORRIBLE, there are jaggies everywhere, textures also looks pretty bad, the game runs at sub 30 fps and the models are average at best.
The only thing it's got going for is lighting, other than that it's not a very good looking game and you can tell easily it's from last gen, seriously don't understand why ppl are all over this game's visuals.
System Shock 2
Melchiah
Member
The captures don't really do the games justice. I've noticed it several times, when I've captured an amazing moment in the game, which doesn't look quite the same as a static image. I suspect it's at least partly due to the image compression.
EDIT:
And Unreal Tournament, although I didn't play on PC at the time.
Shadowfall is the definition of generic shooter. Besides that city landscape theres really nothing impressive there...and scores it had reflect that.
So far I've really enjoyed this gen with my PS4 and Wii U. Lots of great games have came out on Wii U such as Mario and Donkey Kong. I keep coming back to my PS4 for Battlefield 4 sessions and a bunch of indie games. MGSV:GZ and Infamous SS were also fantastic.
I can't wait to see the what comes later like Mario Kart 8, Watch Dogs, Destiny, Batman, Smash Bros, Witcher 3, etc.
I can't wait to see the what comes later like Mario Kart 8, Watch Dogs, Destiny, Batman, Smash Bros, Witcher 3, etc.
Yeah, and Call of Duty 2 didn't look all that much better than Black. And Full Auto didn't look all that much better than Burnout 3.
Wallguy?
Early gen is a hell of a thing.
Weltall Zero
Member
Thanks for the noble effort dispelling this nonsense; not like it will stop fanboys from accepting any criticism to current consoles until they've been out for five years. But yeah, it's pretty nuts that all of these were out within PS2's first year; it's hardly a surprise that Sony rocked the world with it.
They weren't all out within the PS2's first year.
More like first two years, if you count Japan. And slightly over a full year if you count the American launch.
The first year of the PS2 was kind of shitty, then Holiday 2001 happened.
Huge Succeeded
Banned
in regards to graphics... it's incredible for as long as i've been lurking it never ceases to amaze me just how many people feel comfortable commenting on visuals like they know a single thing about what that they're looking at
so many of the posts in threads like these are just so, so awful. People comparing inFamous to recollections, rose-tinted memories of games that don't look quite as good in reality. When someone says they can't tell much of a difference between inFamous 2 or even GTA V and inFamous 3 I just assume that that person has never had any experience with gaming on PC where tweaking gives you an eye for rendering and image quality advancements. Hell I assume that that person is just arguing for the sake of arguing because if they actually had a copy of these games for comparison running in front of them, side by side, both images at the same size, they might just realize how god-damned silly they come off as
you know what is kinda wow though? using traversal mechanics that are much faster than they've ever been in the series in a world that handles it without a hitch (implying that while it's still the inFamous gameplay you'd expect it's not like the PS4 hasn't afforded the design any new breathing room, it's obvious) and still renders a pristine image at 30fps+ with no aliasing, weird motion blur and omnipresent distance fog to hide texture resolution and filtering flaws because they ain't there, awesome lighting and effects illumination, the entire city often rendering in at pretty stunning quality in the distance. It's not so apparent even in the best screenshots of inFamous Second Son (even though the best screenshots of Second Son still put damn near everything last gen to shame) but in motion the game is a real visual feast compared to other console open world titles
so many of the posts in threads like these are just so, so awful. People comparing inFamous to recollections, rose-tinted memories of games that don't look quite as good in reality. When someone says they can't tell much of a difference between inFamous 2 or even GTA V and inFamous 3 I just assume that that person has never had any experience with gaming on PC where tweaking gives you an eye for rendering and image quality advancements. Hell I assume that that person is just arguing for the sake of arguing because if they actually had a copy of these games for comparison running in front of them, side by side, both images at the same size, they might just realize how god-damned silly they come off as
you know what is kinda wow though? using traversal mechanics that are much faster than they've ever been in the series in a world that handles it without a hitch (implying that while it's still the inFamous gameplay you'd expect it's not like the PS4 hasn't afforded the design any new breathing room, it's obvious) and still renders a pristine image at 30fps+ with no aliasing, weird motion blur and omnipresent distance fog to hide texture resolution and filtering flaws because they ain't there, awesome lighting and effects illumination, the entire city often rendering in at pretty stunning quality in the distance. It's not so apparent even in the best screenshots of inFamous Second Son (even though the best screenshots of Second Son still put damn near everything last gen to shame) but in motion the game is a real visual feast compared to other console open world titles
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Final Fantasy XV coming out in 2015 sounds to me like Final Fantasy XIII coming out in 2008.
I can understand especially you have a powerful pc
The so called Next-gen some impressive game so far
Titanfall(pc version) , visually not amazing but the gameplay is true next-gen and is so much fun
Second Son, visually impressive, but battle is so boring, bad guy ending is disgusting,good guy battle make my annoying.
2k14, visually impressive, so much content.
w101, the gameplay !!
also..I hope 60fps can become a standard, even it's not 1080p
The so called Next-gen some impressive game so far
Titanfall(pc version) , visually not amazing but the gameplay is true next-gen and is so much fun
Second Son, visually impressive, but battle is so boring, bad guy ending is disgusting,good guy battle make my annoying.
2k14, visually impressive, so much content.
w101, the gameplay !!
also..I hope 60fps can become a standard, even it's not 1080p
Always-honest
Banned
I'm pretity impressed allready. But we could use some new games that really use the power from a gameplay perspective. More physics, better a.i., more and realistic destructibility, etc.
Though sometimes i wonder what people really mean by " next gen gameplay" when playing a sequel to a game.
But inthink the gen on PS4 started pretty well. And i'm also impressed with first party Nintendo games.
Though sometimes i wonder what people really mean by " next gen gameplay" when playing a sequel to a game.
But inthink the gen on PS4 started pretty well. And i'm also impressed with first party Nintendo games.
shark sandwich
tenuously links anime, pedophile and incels
FF XV was first shown before PS3 even released! Until S-E gives us a definite release date I'm working with the assumption that it's at least 3 years away.
Biker19 i need reassurance, i'm having a nervous breakdown here. i just bought a PS4 for $399 and it might go on clearance next year if no games come out for it.
comedy bomb
Banned
Most people aren't going to go through the trouble of doing that. And to be honest I don't know why someone would.
FairXchange
Member
Op, what kind of TV do you have? If you've got a good panel and still can't see the graphical difference, then I'm not sure what to say. When I'm at my friends' place, I can't really appreciate the improved graphics on ps4 because his LCD HDTV is so weak in terms of image quality.
Maybe in Japan. And late 2015 at that.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Welcome to 2008
Yeah yeah, I know. I have a moderate powered PC with an 5770 which I guess is just about on the cusp of not being up to snuff anymore, but most PC exclusives don't really appeal to me. There again, Ground Zeroes and Infamous are why I bought a PS4 and both are console exclusive.
Are you and freezamite becoming some sort of singularity? I'm sure Mario Kart 8's delightful visuals ensure the gameplay is going to suddenly become abject shit huh?
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
FFXV has been in development for far longer. I definitely think it will be out by 2015.