Red Rudolph
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Nintendo to host "Smash Bros. Invitational" at E3
- Thread starter Red Rudolph
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There aren't any real top level Smash players in Japan aside from aMSa and a few others and it's doubtful they were contacted to help at all. Trust me, I would know if someone got "an exciting opportunity". There would be teases all over by now if someone like aMSa got to playtest Smash 4.
Nintendo does not work like Capcom. This is the first time they actually are working like them (doing an invitational tournament that isn't run by game stores with minimal marketing/budget behind it).
I wouldn't be disappointed with that.
Just seeing how the characters play in the wii u version is hype enough.
I think there's little chance of the first question happening.
I'm sure the tournament organizers will make the rules very clear on avoiding that kind of situation.
Perhaps the players will be given a few matches first to get a feel for the game before the live tournament.
As for which characters they get to choose, I also think they're going to be asked to mainly showcase new characters (different character for each person) to play for the audience.
We don't know if any play testing with competitive players has or has not been done. If there has been any it would 100% be done in Japan and those players would have signed NDAs. Also the coding is being done by Namco Bandai who have tons of experience with fighting games. Between them and Nintendo's various internal teams. Outside testing might not even be required.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
If it actually happens then I'm not surprised with that. if competitive players ever playtest the games then they wouldn't say anything about it due to NDAs therefore you wouldn't know.
guaranteed it'll be 2 minute timed matches with items on, random stages lol
at most, for glory rules.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
They did something back then in Brawl and they only had default characters save for Snake and Sonic iirc
chickdigger802
Banned
wiimote nunchuk only
I'm almost positive the tournament won't be the players' first experience with Smash 4 unless Nintendo wants to livestream a really shitty tournament. I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo has already given the game for these 16 players to practice so that no one johnses at the tourney.
Red Rudolph
Member
Yeah, hard to wrap my brain around the fact that this is actually happening. Even if it's lame rules with players who have never been able to touch the game before, it will be both (A) a huuuge info dump and (B) NINTENDO HOSTING A COMPETITIVE SMASH TOURNAMENT. Never thought this day would come, despite how much sense it makes. I soooo hope they get it right. Though you'd have to be insane not to have massive doubts.
oreomunsta
Banned
* Hype intensifying to cataclysmic levels *
I imagine they'd have to use the "For Glory" ruleset, right? Isn't this the kind of thing they made those rules for?
sideways wiimote only, no unlockable characters, free for all, 2 min time matches
that was the actual ruleset for the official gamestop brawl tournament
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Man.....wow...
That would be OK with me if they did that. I'm sure people like Mango and PP would be down with that rule set, at least (especially because we don't know anything about how any of the more quirky stages will play out in a competitive setting).
Anyway, predictions for which ones they're gonna pick? Mine:
Top 16 will be if they're pooling from multiple Smash games:
M2K
Mango
Dr. PP
Hungrybox
Isai
Superboomfan
Nairo
Ally
ADHD
ESAM
Ken
KoreanDJ
ChuDat
HugS
SFAT
Fiction or DEHF or aMSa/Armada (if they're willing to fly out people from outside the US)
If they're pooling just from Melee:
M2K
Mango
Dr. PP
Hungrybox
Armada (if they're willing to fly out someone)
aMSa (if they're willing to fly out someone)
SFAT
PewPewU
Fiction
DJ Nintendo
KirbyKaze
DEHF
Westballz
S0ft
Leffen (if they're willing to fly out someone)
Ken or KoreanDJ
The second list is trying to be as diverse as possible in terms of representing regions. I'm aware there's a lot of Cali rep but... it would be really easy to get a lot of Cali players to this vs getting people from Midwest or Southwest or even EC (which is why there's only really one rep from any of those regions). And of course, we have no idea if Nintendo is going to be flying these players out to the event (if they accept the invite) or if the players have to pay for their own travel expenses. Invitational sort of implies that but it's Nintendo and this event doesn't sound like they're going to be competing for any cash prize currently. And it's especially sketchy for them to fly out people like Leffen, Armada, or aMSa. Though I would love to see it happen.
Baron von Loathsome
Member
The GameStop I went to at least used nunchucks.
To you. Not to the people playing, though, which is far more important.
You would need way more matches and time to get a fair result. Kind of when you play Mario Kart with a group of friends, and there is this guy who gets 1st many more times than the rest in the long run, he clearly is the better player but you need much more time to determine that.
While I dont agree with the "items would be more interesting" one should always think about the audience, they are far more important than the players, they are the target of the sponsors after all. They need to be interested to pick up the game and play too or your scene wont grow (not talking about smash, but in general)
fredrancour
Member
Or they could run it for exactly the same amount of time with the goal of entertaining the audience instead of determining who's definitively the best at a game they've all barely played before.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
Sakurai will play doubles and beat them all.
In that case you dont even need the pro players, just have the developers play or something. Or maybe even some game journalist, their skill level is much closer to the average after all, so matches wont look flashier than they really are.
Yeah thats what I mean. I can see how things would be fair with no items, but to the general audience watching (Nintendo fans will jump in regardless, I imagine this is also a PR thing to grab newcomers for the most part as well, gotta get those sales fired up) items and just "things happening" in general would be much more interesting. Especially when its supposed to be a "celebration of all things Smash Bros".
But on that note i'm also kinda biased in that I like Mario Kart and Smash with all items intact at all times.
You think I don't know that? Lol.
Nintendo loses a lot more than they gain by having items on. This is their chance to show the competitive community they're serious and a gesture of showing they understand the scene would be to have items off. It would look bad on them to have them on and the scene most certainly would be hugely disappointed if not probably peeved by it. You don't want to step on the toes of the people you're trying to court.
Having items on would also distract from being able to see the game in its purest form and understand what is actually different about it compared to the previous games.
theprodigy
Member
M2K would find some item infinite and destroy anyone left if items were on lol
That makes no sense, wouldn't they promote the Pro controller?
wow
everyone should've just picked Meta Knight
The difference is that crowd will be interested regardless, while the competitive crowd will not necessarily be on board immediately.
It's funny, because I was just re-reading the announcement, and wondering if the 16 skilled players might mean "Developer play testers." That would allow Nintendo more control, and they would be highly skilled people. No one bitching afterward about playing in a 2 minute items on match or stage hazards, and you can make sure that a wide variety of characters are shown off. Still, probably not what people are expecting, so not good to set up that type of disappointment.
Quick edit: Also, I don't think this tournament is designed to appeal to the fgc - I think it's designed to build hype for the release of an upcoming game. So I expect them to want to show off the pokeballs, items, and AT's - the things that help differentiate Smash.
Well I bet we will have more than enough footage of random matches with items with the treehouse thing and the bestbuy smashfests. Calling smash pros and make them play free for all doesnt make much sense, they really have to show they care about both sides of the community now. Also, MK is not MK without items for me :lol, smash is different, I enjoy the no items fair stage setting much much more.
I do agree on all your points, is just that your last post made me remember all this brawl thing they are trying with the 1 stock best of 5:
-"we need to try new things for brawl"
-"the pros might not like them"
-"but the audience seems interested"
-"who cares about the audience"
Why do people still get online multiplayer mixed up with local? For Fun and For Glory were announced in the Online Multiplayer Section since it involves leaderboards. Local multiplayer doesn't as far as we know. Not that we know what stages will be selectable.
They would not make a big deal about the 16 skilled players if they were not pros imo, or at least people known in the gaming community. Watching 16 no-names playing is okay I guess?.
Because in tournament/stream it will be much much easier to tell people "yeah they are playing just like the For Glory mode" instead of the current convulted way "yeah you have bans of stages then you pick the stage then he picks his char but then you can counte pick your char...". Plus they dont even know how good or bad the stages will be for the current rules of baning and picking stages.
So I bet they will use the same rules for the Nintendo Tournaments.
When people are talking about that they see the "For Glory" mode as Nintendo/Sakurai's identification/definition of "what competitive Smash" is. It's an official game mode in the game set up for people to play more serious matches online. It wouldn't be impossible to see Nintendo going with that as the general rule set, even if it's not explicitly called "For Glory" rule set or whatever.
That being said, for this particular event it would make even more sense to go with it because nobody has any idea how fair the non-FD stages are in competitive play and they would likely get in the way of what people actually want to see: the characters and general fighting gameplay.
None of the grassroots tournaments would go with it, obviously, but a Nintendo event like this one would benefit from a simple rule set like that since... it's pre-release and all.
theprodigy
Member
Hey, one MLG qualifier is running 1 stock Bo5 for Brawl!
And who is running that tournament?
I actually tried the 1 stock thing the other day. Me and my friend agreed the game is still slow, but it is much more fun as the matches are faster. For the record, we have never ever touched melee.
Revven, would the ruleset even matter if the game was still far from melee!? People here are talking about the ruleset being really important for the competitive comunity to care... what about the gameplay??
Edit: would people like mango care if the gameplay was still far from the speed of melee??
Edit: would people like mango care if the gameplay was still far from the speed of melee??
PadWarrior
Member
Yikes, at the Brawl midnight tourney in my state it was wii remote and nunchuk. Saw a ton of kids 7 and under at the event that night.
Brawl is far from melee, the ruleset is still about baning/chosing stages then picking characters, just like melee. Heck I think 64 does this too.
These rules, while fair, are still convoluted for the general audience, its much easier to say "they are playing For Glory mode in this tournamet"
friskykillface
Banned
1 vs 3
Sakurgod B^)
Geoff vs Reggie first round.
Iwata vs Peter Moore for EA games on wii u D:
the lines will be massive at best buy, only 1 at most wii u systems, at least put 2/3 and it better be 4 player free for all, no 1 vs 1 at best buy please
I want Axe tho