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[Karsticles]

Why do you go out of your way to be rude, Cain? I wonder if you have spent more time banned or active since you became a full member.

or maybe it finally means pokemon mmo

Spoiler

kappa

Pokemon fighter!

Also, endless SSB DLC...

 

[enzo_gt]

It kind of sounds like you spend too much time reading about games, and then you don't actually get to enjoy them for yourself.

Perhaps a bit more recently, but I definitely do not go out of my way to spoil myself on games. I also don't watch Let's Plays and rarely read/watch anything about a game beyond what I need to figure out if I want to make my own opinion on it or it's not worth my time.

This post is so full of fail it's almost inconceivable.

Next thing you know you are going to say "if Capcom just unveiled DMC5 and Dino Crisis 4, I would fall asleep. I can only get hype for Capcom if they reveal Resident Evil."

Go back to your Crackdowns, Halos, Forzas, GoW and PGRs son.

Why should I care for Dino Crisis or RE again? I hate Resident Evil. DMC5 would be eh. I also don't like what Forza has turned into.

I will not tolerate shit talking about Crackdown, Halo (even though it's taken hits recently) or PGR though.

The ending isn't the entire game... you haven't experienced SOTC until you have beaten those Colossi on your own.

It's like saying "oh man I already know what's gonna happen at the end of GoW/DMC... might as well not play those games anymore!" These aren't movies and even then I wouldn't skip out on a good movie just because someone spoiled me on an ending.

I definitely am the type to skip out on a movie if the ending is spoiled unless it has a predictable ending. It creates all sorts of expectations you cannot avoid as much as you explicitly tell yourself not to. Games are different though, because there is a gameplay component, but the narrative always interested me more in SotC than the gameplay.

 

[Professor Beef]

This post is so full of fail it's almost inconceivable.

Next thing you know you are going to say "if Capcom just unveiled DMC5 and Dino Crisis 4, I would fall asleep. I can only get hype for Capcom if they reveal Resident Evil."

Go back to your Crackdowns, Halos, Forzas, GoW and PGRs son.

Last Guardian isn't going to be there, so nobody needs to worry about that.

 

[kirblar]

I will spoil myself if I have no intention of playing/watching something. Like "Fault of Our Stars".

 

[Deckard Cain]

Why do you go out of your way to be rude, Cain? I wonder if you have spent more time banned or active since you became a full member.



Pokemon fighter!

Also, endless SSB DLC...

What are you talking about? I feel bad for Kiets. He has to actually work on that game & play it every day He's a better man than me. I couldn't stand it.

 

[Slamtastic]

A Pokemon fighting game should be more Naruto Ninja Storm than Tekken*.

*Assuming Namco has to be involved at all and Nintendo can't just get DIMPS/8ing to make a good Pokemon fighter.

 

[Master Milk]

I somehow stumbled on a video of the ending to SotC and someone told me about a twist/detail about the character in ICO that I would have loved to discover myself.

This is why people that push stories in games should feel bad. Having stories is fine, unavoidable even, but it's a sad thing when people feel like they don't need to play a game because they know the story or how it ends.

I'm going to agree with Karst. You need to go play some games, right now. Start with SotC.

 

[Uraizen]

I somehow stumbled on a video of the ending to SotC and someone told me about a twist/detail about the character in ICO that I would have loved to discover myself.

The best part of SotC is fighting the colossi themselves. Rather than a room being a puzzle like in ICO, the bosses themselves are the puzzle. That in itself is what makes the game great.

 

[Dahbomb]

Why should I care for Dino Crisis or RE again? I hate Resident Evil. DMC5 would be eh. I also don't like what Forza has turned into.

I will not tolerate shit talking about Crackdown, Halo (even though it's taken hits recently) or PGR though.

You just proved my god damn point! It's almost as if the posts are trolling me on purpose!

And please spend more time playing classic games than talking about them or reading about them. You are missing out on some good shit.

 

[enzo_gt]

This is why people that push stories in games should feel bad. Having stories is fine, unavoidable even, but it's a sad thing when people feel like they don't need to play a game because they know the story or how it ends.

I'm going to agree with Karst. You need to go play some games, right now. Start with SotC.

Why are you devaluing the importance of story? Moreover, story drives gameplay and gameplay also drives story. They work together. If your game has a narrative, it should be a significant component and good at being a narrative and driving gameplay. Take out one component and the others that rely on it suffer.

And this is coming from someone who played several hours of Gang Beasts with friends a few days ago. That game is nothing but a gameplay alpha with placeholder EVERYTHING and probably the most fun I've had in months.

The best part of SotC is fighting the colossi themselves. Rather than a room being a puzzle like in ICO, the bosses themselves are the puzzle. That in itself is what makes the game great.

See, the way you describe this is actually making me want to play the game.

 

[Karsticles]

Enzo: name your top 3 games of the last generation that you have played to completion. No fighting games allowed. Just a point of curiosity. I'll do mine to be fair:

1. Monster Hunter 3U
2. Dragon's Crown
3. Bayonetta

If you only played 2 games this generation, just list those. ;-D

What are you talking about? I feel bad for Kiets. He has to actually work on that game & play it every day He's a better man than me. I couldn't stand it.

You are like a guy at someone's wedding saying "I feel bad for him. He has to be married to that ugly chick for the rest of his life. He's a better man than me. I couldn't stand it." Keits is on the project, and he's clearly excited about it. I am not a fan of Killer Instinct, but I'm not quoting him randomly to insult the project he is taking on. Are you just completely incapable of thinking about anything from anyone else's perspective? I have never seen a shred of empathy from you. Honest question: is it there?

 

[direct_quote]

Oh many E3 is this week get hype! DMC5 MGR2 NG4 lets go!

Spoiler

and God Hand 2

 

[enzo_gt]

And please spend more time playing classic games than talking about them or reading about them. You are missing out on some good shit.

so now this enzo reads about games instead of playing them is a meme huh

i see how it is

 

[ThatCrazyGuy]

New God of War style game set in a new mythology greatly excites me. New environment for SSM to play around in.

 

[enzo_gt]

Enzo: name your top 3 games of the last generation that you have played to completion. No fighting games allowed. Just a point of curiosity. I'll do mine to be fair:

1. Monster Hunter 3U
2. Dragon's Crown
3. Bayonetta

If you only played 2 games this generation, just list those. ;-D

Hmmmmmmmmm this is tough. Do multiplayer-centric games count? Or games with little/filler single player (like arcade modes)?

 

[mbpm1]

so now this enzo reads about games instead of playing them is a meme huh

i see how it is

I watch replays on youtube if the games are console because I don't have consoles. Hey, it happens.

Last of Us was a really good game, but I couldn't play it bc PS3 so

 

[Professor Beef]

Oh are we doing list wars?

1) Revengeance
2) Sonic Generations
3) Saints Row 4

 

[Master Milk]

Why are you devaluing the importance of story? Moreover, story drives gameplay and gameplay also drives story. They work together. If your game has a narrative, it should be a significant component and good at being a narrative and driving gameplay. Take out one component and the others that rely on it suffer.

And this is coming from someone who played several hours of Gang Beasts with friends a few days ago. That game is nothing but a gameplay alpha with placeholder EVERYTHING and probably the most fun I've had in months.

Because the apparent importance of stories has you skipping out on a good game. If the story is so important, why does knowing it make you not want to play the game, instead of playing it for yourself so you can experience everything about the story and not just the ending?

But I actually wasn't devaluing the importance of story, just pointing out a problem with making them the most important thing.

The two most important things to a game, in order of priority, are gameplay and balance. And even balance isn't that important as long as the gameplay is fun. Story is on the same level as music, character design, etc. It's good to have, but you can still have a fun game without it. I know a good way to describe how I feel about it.

God Tier
Gameplay

S+ Tier
Balance

B Tier
Story
Everything Else

 

[Stabby McSter]

Completion as in 100%? Cuz Reach would the only one

Spoiler

UNTIL THEY ADDED THOSE STUPID DLC ACHIEVEMENTS

 

[Karsticles]

Hmmmmmmmmm this is tough. Do multiplayer-centric games count? Or games with little/filler single player (like arcade modes)?

I rate it like this: "If I had to recommend three games to someone to experience to show them the majesty that gaming was this last generation, what would they be?"

Oh are we doing list wars?

1) Revengeance
2) Sonic Generations
3) Saints Row 4

I haven't played any of those. :-O

I am kind of hoping Revengeance comes out on PS+. I still haven't started The Wonderful 101. That's next after Bravely Default.

I would love to play a fighting game right now, but I'm too cheap to buy USFIV twice. Nothing else is really out there...I'm actually pretty hungry for Street Fighter. I played Onionfrog in like a 50 match set and had a blast. I want to feel those pitiful Oni changes...

 

[Dahbomb]

My top 3 this gen:

1) Dark/Demon's Souls
2) The Last of Us
3) Bayonetta/DMC4

I rather enjoyed the Batman games, Path of Exile, Ninja Gaiden 2, Bioshock, Vanquish, MGR, Mario Galaxy, RDR, Gears of War, Dragon's Dogma as well. Didn't include DOTA 2 because I don't think that really counts.

 

[Deckard Cain]

You are like a guy at someone's wedding saying "I feel bad for him. He has to be married to that ugly chick for the rest of his life. He's a better man than me. I couldn't stand it." Keits is on the project, and he's clearly excited about it. I am not a fan of Killer Instinct, but I'm not quoting him randomly to insult the project he is taking on. Are you just completely incapable of thinking about anything from anyone else's perspective? I have never seen a shred of empathy from you. Honest question: is it there?

You are absolutely right, I have said that about an engagement. My dislike for Killer Instinct & everything it stands for has always been apparent & I say what other people think but don't say.

Why should me or anyone not say the truth? Not voicing an opinion means no change will be had. If everyone had just kept their mouth shut about Xbox One it would have never made such a turn around. Open critixism

 

[enzo_gt]

I watch replays on youtube if the games are console because I don't have consoles. Hey, it happens.

Last of Us was a really good game, but I couldn't play it bc PS3 so

I have a friend who does this and I get mad at him very often. Well, two friends. One watched the Giant Bomb Persona 4 thing and never wants to touch the game, the other is ready to buy a Vita just for P4G.

Because the apparent importance of stories has you skipping out on a good game. If the story is so important, why does knowing it make you not want to play the game, instead of playing it for yourself so you can experience everything about the story and not just the ending?

But I actually wasn't devaluing the importance of story, just pointing out a problem with making them the most important thing.

The two most important things to a game, in order of priority, are gameplay and balance. And even balance isn't that important as long as the gameplay is fun. Story is on the same level as music, character design, etc. It's good to have, but you can still have a fun game without it. I know a good way to describe how I feel about it.

God Tier
Gameplay

S+ Tier
Balance

B Tier
Story
Everything Else

This isn't as cut and dry for me, it's different depending on the game or genre. Balance means a lot more in some genres and games than it does others, but regardless it would be pretty low on the list. For games that allure me with the narrative, I care more about the narrative. For instance, I care more about the story/setting/etc. in God of War where as I couldn't care less for that shit in Dark Souls, where only the gameplay interests me. I'll suffer through games with a shit/filler story like Magicka because they are so much fun gameplay wise, or suffer through boring gameplay if the story is supposed to be all that (Alan Wake; though I haven't played much).

 

[Infinite]

Enzo: name your top 3 games of the last generation that you have played to completion. No fighting games allowed. Just a point of curiosity. I'll do mine to be fair:

1. Monster Hunter 3U
2. Dragon's Crown
3. Bayonetta

If you only played 2 games this generation, just list those. ;-D

1. Monster Hunter 3U (Still playing it actually working on getting every armor)
2. Pokemon X and Y
3. Bravely Default (Yuck!)

 

[Deckard Cain]

Gaf Mobile sucks...

Open Criticism is good & allows for developers to get a non-fluff unbiased look at the flaws in their games.

 

[Master Milk]

I would love to play a fighting game right now, but I'm too cheap to buy USFIV twice. Nothing else is really out there...I'm actually pretty hungry for Street Fighter. I played Onionfrog in like a 50 match set and had a blast. I want to feel those pitiful Oni changes...

Have you tried/seen Eliza in SG yet?

Why should me or anyone not say the truth?

You weren't speaking the truth. At best you have a terrible opinion, at worst you were outright lying.

 

[Dahbomb]

Balance is not that important at all especially for most single player type games. Most of the revered single player games are not balanced hell even most of the revered multiplayer games aren't balanced.

Diablo 2 is not "balanced" at all, yet it's one of the most influential games of all time.


Unless there is a different underlying meaning of balance. I would put stuff like visuals, sound, presentation far above balance especially for non highly competitive game.

 

[Rhapsody]

My top would be:

1) Mario Galaxy
2) The World Ends With You

Dunno about what deserves the 3rd slot for me. But the two listed stood out for me.
TWEWY's more on story though as opposed to gameplay which could be better.

Looking back on my games, last gen lasted a long time...

 

[Deckard Cain]

Have you tried/seen Eliza in SG yet?



You weren't speaking the truth. At best you have a terrible opinion, at worst you were outright lying.

If Killer Instinct was really a good fighting game it wouldn't have 16 man majors & be the newest fighting game untill USF4.

 

[Karsticles]

You are absolutely right, I have said that about an engagement. My dislike for Killer Instinct & everything it stands for has always been apparent & I say what other people think but don't say.

Why should me or anyone not say the truth? Not voicing an opinion means no change will be had. If everyone had just kept their mouth shut about Xbox One it would have never made such a turn around. Open critixism

Hate and criticism are not the same thing. Criticism is targetted. It is specific. It allows one to reflect and make changes. What is Keits supposed to learn from this?

Oh yeah & how could I forget the second season of the worst fighting game to come out in 10 years, Killer Instinct.

I am deeply critical of Tekken. If Harada posted here, I would not randomly quote him and say "Tekken is the worst". That is just blatantly rude, and, even worse, a waste of words.

1. Monster Hunter 3U (Still playing it actually working on getting every armor)
2. Pokemon X and Y
3. Bravely Default (Yuck!)

Why are you saying yuck about your own game choice?

I won't get all of the MH3U armor since I already did it, all weapons, and all guns for MHT. None of it carried over, which made me sad. I'm just building what I need: one set for each weapon I enjoy using (basically, not gunlance, bowgun, or dual swords).

Have you tried/seen Eliza in SG yet?

I saw the combo video that got posted. She looks great so far, but we're seeing maybe...a fourth of the character? I typically abhor characters with multiple stances, but I love the thematic aspects of her. I am optimistic, but I need to learn how she works more. I have been working ~80 hours a week for the last month or so, so I haven't even tried Big Band yet. :-(

My top would be:

1) Mario Galaxy
2) The World Ends With You

Dunno about what deserves the 3rd slot for me. But the two listed stood out for me.
TWEWY's more on story though as opposed to gameplay which could be better.

Looking back on my games, last gen lasted a long time...

Hmm. I guess I consider the DS to be two generations ago. Otherwise TWEWY might have made it for me. I disliked Mario Galaxy.

Well, when you put it that way:

1) Halo 3 - one of the most refined games ever made, that brought so much new stuff to the table that devs still have trouble making standard, and also set the stage for user-generated content to drive gameplay and extend the lifespan of games.
2) Castle Crashers - one of the most fun local co-op or multiplayer games ever made, great humour, great presentation and an antecedent to the indie boom we saw take place this gen that led to more amazing indie games (and part of what shows "the majesty of gaming"). I've beaten this game so many times over, it's crazy. It has also served the purpose you describe very well in my experience.
3) TF2 - I've sort of fell out of love with this game, but all of the hours I've put into it cannot be denied. This gen was great because TF2 made it cool to support games like a service and continue to give me new, cool stuff to toy around with. I always go back to TF2 when there was an update. It's a great blueprint for games. No other game has survived this long solely by injecting new stuff into gameplay to keep it fresh and fun.

^ in no particular order.

Man, if you liked Castle Crashers, you need to try Dragon's Crown. That game schools Castle Crashers hard.

 

[enzo_gt]

I rate it like this: "If I had to recommend three games to someone to experience to show them the majesty that gaming was this last generation, what would they be?"

Well, when you put it that way:

1) Halo 3 - one of the most refined games ever made, that brought so much new stuff to the table that devs still have trouble making standard, and also set the stage for user-generated content to drive gameplay and extend the lifespan of games.
2) Castle Crashers - one of the most fun local co-op or multiplayer games ever made, great humour, great presentation and an antecedent to the indie boom we saw take place this gen that led to more amazing indie games (and part of what shows "the majesty of gaming"). I've beaten this game so many times over, it's crazy. It has also served the purpose you describe very well in my experience.
3) TF2 - I've sort of fell out of love with this game, but all of the hours I've put into it cannot be denied. This gen was great because TF2 made it cool to support games like a service and continue to give me new, cool stuff to toy around with. I always go back to TF2 when there was an update. It's a great blueprint for games. No other game has survived this long solely by injecting new stuff into gameplay to keep it fresh and fun.

^ in no particular order.

 

[Master Milk]

This isn't as cut and dry for me, it's different depending on the game or genre. Balance means a lot more in some genres and games than it does others, but regardless it would be pretty low on the list. For games that allure me with the narrative, I care more about the narrative. For instance, I care more about the story/setting/etc. in God of War where as I couldn't care less for that shit in Dark Souls, where only the gameplay interests me. I'll suffer through games with a shit/filler story like Magicka because they are so much fun gameplay wise, or suffer through boring gameplay if the story is supposed to be all that (Alan Wake; though I haven't played much).

You aren't alone, which is why I sad it was sad to begin with.

 

[Shito]

Why should me or anyone not say the truth? Not voicing an opinion means no change will be had. If everyone had just kept their mouth shut about Xbox One it would have never made such a turn around. Open critixism

You can "speak the truth" without being a dick about it.
Too many people use this honesty excuse to act like assholes, don't be like them. Try some tact once in a while, and you'll discover it wields better results than just shitting on everybody.

 

[smurfx]

mindless bashing of games should be discouraged so we don't run off the developers that do post here. not saying we should kiss their asses but at least post some constructive criticism instead of "lol shit sucks yo".

 

[Riposte]

I say it constantly, but story is not the counterpart to "gameplay" (mechanics), atmosphere is. Videogame criticism is fucked because people don't understand that.

EDIT: Also the secret of the Souls series is that it is atmosphere-centric, despite what everyone says.

 

[Dahbomb]

Why should me or anyone not say the truth? Not voicing an opinion means no change will be had.

Because you don't speak the truth... you only make insults and make absurdly hyperbolic statements about your opinions.

Killer Instinct the worst fighting game in the last 10 years? Are you for real? So Killer Instinct is worse than Death Cargo? It's worse than all those garbage MK games that came before MK9?

At this point it's expected that you are going to make a post to shit on something. When was the last thing you had something positive to say about anything? If all you do is post in a negative manner people are going to dismiss you. There was a guy just like you on GAF not too long ago...I think Derrick was the name (Deus Ex avatar). All he did was come into threads to shit on games which lead to derailed threads and resulted him getting banned. Well now he's perma banned because the mods had enough of his shit and so did the rest of the forum.

 

[NEO0MJ]

You are absolutely right, I have said that about an engagement. My dislike for Killer Instinct & everything it stands for has always been apparent & I say what other people think but don't say.

Why should me or anyone not say the truth? Not voicing an opinion means no change will be had. If everyone had just kept their mouth shut about Xbox One it would have never made such a turn around. Open critixism

What's so bad about Killer Instinct?

Man, if you liked Castle Crashers, you need to try Dragon's Crown. That game schools Castle Crashers hard.

I respectfully disagree, Castle Crashers is the superior game.

 

[Exr]

Gaf Mobile sucks...

Open Criticism is good & allows for developers to get a non-fluff unbiased look at the flaws in their games.

lol yeah you posted some good critiques. Do you not have any social skills offline? Why would you say that to someone? People know you don't like Killer Instinct, no need to spit bile at Keits.

 

[Master Milk]

Balance is not that important at all especially for most single player type games. Most of the revered single player games are not balanced hell even most of the revered multiplayer games aren't balanced.

Diablo 2 is not "balanced" at all, yet it's one of the most influential games of all time.


Unless there is a different underlying meaning of balance. I would put stuff like visuals, sound, presentation far above balance especially for non highly competitive game.

Gameplay is over balance because as long as the game is fun, it doesn't matter. The main point for a game should be it being fun. Bad balance can directly get in the way of that by making a game needlessly frustrating for a player, so to me, it's the second most important thing to think about when making a game. No matter how good the game looks, or sounds, or anything else, if people get frustrated playing and quit in disgust, because the game is needlessly shitting all over them, there's a problem that needs to be addressed.

If Killer Instinct was really a good fighting game it wouldn't have 16 man majors & be the newest fighting game untill USF4.

I didn't say it was a good game, and you didn't say it was a bad one. If you had, that might have been fine, even though you were also needlessly antagonizing Keits.

 

[Infinite]

Why are you saying yuck about your own game choice?

I won't get all of the MH3U armor since I already did it, all weapons, and all guns for MHT. None of it carried over, which made me sad. I'm just building what I need: one set for each weapon I enjoy using (basically, not gunlance, bowgun, or dual swords).

I think I read your question wrong. Bravely Default is a game I played to completion and I even went as far as unlocking all the job classes and mastering them for all my characters. I even collected a majority of the items. But I have a HUGE issue with the game despite enjoying.

Yeah I personally only use SNS and Dual Swords so I'll get all the weapons for those classes. I think it's fun to get all the armors though for mixing n stuff like that.

 

[Uraizen]

You are absolutely right, I have said that about an engagement. My dislike for Killer Instinct & everything it stands for has always been apparent & I say what other people think but don't say.

Why should me or anyone not say the truth? Not voicing an opinion means no change will be had. If everyone had just kept their mouth shut about Xbox One it would have never made such a turn around. Open critixism

What truth? You're making it sound like "the truth" is that KI is a bad game. Guess what? There are some people like me who really enjoy the game. I can't wait to see what Keits and Iron Galaxy does with it. I'm also excited to see what Season 2 brings tomorrow. If you don't like the game, that's fine. Not everybody has to like everything. Just don't act like you think the game being bad is the absolute truth.

 

[Nyoro SF]

I say it constantly, but story is not the counterpart to "gameplay" (mechanics), atmosphere is. Videogame criticism is fucked because people don't understand that.

Damn are you me? I've been saying this for a while.

 

[Deckard Cain]

Hate and criticism are not the same thing. Criticism is targetted. It is specific. It allows one to reflect and make changes. What is Keits supposed to learn from this?


I am deeply critical of Tekken. If Harada posted here, I would not randomly quote him and say "Tekken is the worst". That is just blatantly rude, and, even worse, a waste of words.


Why are you saying yuck about your own game choice?

I won't get all of the MH3U armor since I already did it, all weapons, and all guns for MHT. None of it carried over, which made me sad. I'm just building what I need: one set for each weapon I enjoy using (basically, not gunlance, bowgun, or dual swords).


I saw the combo video that got posted. She looks great so far, but we're seeing maybe...a fourth of the character? I typically abhor characters with multiple stances, but I love the thematic aspects of her. I am optimistic, but I need to learn how she works more. I have been working ~80 hours a week for the last month or so, so I haven't even tried Big Band yet. :-(


Hmm. I guess I consider the DS to be two generations ago. Otherwise TWEWY might have made it for me. I disliked Mario Galaxy.


Man, if you liked Castle Crashers, you need to try Dragon's Crown. That game schools Castle Crashers hard.

And if Harada were here you should act no different than if he wasn't. You & other members of GAF are perfectly fine talking shit about tons of FGC players & developers but the second one ends up on GAF you go full bitch mode.

KI sucks, the combo breaker system sucks, animations suck, game pace sucks, characters are not fun to play, & the game is unbalanced.

 

[Professor Beef]

I haven't played any of those. :-O

I am kind of hoping Revengeance comes out on PS+. I still haven't started The Wonderful 101. That's next after Bravely Default.

I would love to play a fighting game right now, but I'm too cheap to buy USFIV twice. Nothing else is really out there...I'm actually pretty hungry for Street Fighter. I played Onionfrog in like a 50 match set and had a blast. I want to feel those pitiful Oni changes...

Revengeance and SR came out at perfect times for me because I was sick of story heavy, realism driven games. I just wanted to have fun, and they satisfied the itch perfectly.

 

[MarkMan]

With the TE2 sticks dropping, I can't see how this isn't a possibility.

YOU HEAR THAT MARKMAN? I DON'T BELIEVE YOU

You don't have to believe me. But the wise man would.

Me either. Why the hell would they put out an USFIV stick for Injustice? LOL

We didn't put it out for injustice, we wanted to have a next gen product and the only way to do it right now is through Sony licensing.

 

[Karsticles]

I say it constantly, but story is not the counterpart to "gameplay" (mechanics), atmosphere is. Videogame criticism is fucked because people don't understand that.

I have never heard you say this before. Would you explain both:
1) What story is in relation to gameplay and atmosphere.
2) Why atmosphere is the counterpart to mechanics.
3) Why videogame criticism is fucked as a result of the confusion.

Honestly curious. I like this train of thought.

I respectfully disagree, Castle Crashers is the superior game.

You are entitled to your opinion, sir. At the very least, would you agree that if someone enjoys Castle Crashers, Dragon's Crown is a worthwhile title for them to experience?

And if Harada were here you should act no different than if he wasn't. You & other members of GAF are perfectly fine talking shit about tons of FGC players & developers but the second one ends up on GAF you go full bitch mode.

KI sucks, the combo breaker system sucks, animations suck, game pace sucks, characters are not fun to play, & the game is unbalanced.

I know you like to insult the entire FGW thread constantly because you group everyone together, but I don't talk shit about FGC players or developers. I wouldn't act any different if Harada were here. I would still infrequently bring up my strong dislike for Tekken, but I wouldn't go out of my way to quote him and express blatant hate. I don't think that's okay now, and I wouldn't if he were here, either.

Revengeance and SR came out at perfect times for me because I was sick of story heavy, realism driven games. I just wanted to have fun, and they satisfied the itch perfectly.

I never really like realism-driven games like Heavy Rain or Uncharted. I go back-and-forth between strong single-player content where I get to build myself and experience an increasing single-player challenge, and where I start with all of my tools in a multiplayer arena. I like both. Really, I just play whatever great stuff comes out as I can.

 

[Stabby McSter]

You don't have to believe me. But the wise man would.



We didn't put it out for injustice, we wanted to have a next gen product and the only way to do it right now is through Sony licensing.

...why ;-;

 

[Slamtastic]

You don't have to believe me. But the wise man would.



We didn't put it out for injustice, we wanted to have a next gen product and the only way to do it right now is through Sony licensing.

Well then you should have put out a generic arcade stick sans game specific branding.

 

[Dahbomb]

Gameplay is over balance because as long as the game is fun, it doesn't matter. The main point for a game should be it being fun. Bad balance can directly get in the way of that by making a game needlessly frustrating for a player, so to me, it's the second most important thing to think about when making a game. No matter how good the game looks, or sounds, or anything else, if people get frustrated playing and quit in disgust, because the game is needlessly shitting all over them, there's a problem that needs to be addressed.

That's not balance, that's design. Or for single player that's pacing or even game flow.

Like let me give you a simple example of what I mean:

In DMC3 original NA version you were thrusted into a pretty difficult game from the get go having to fight against Cerberus and then A&R without any check points. Bosses were hard, they would kill you quickly. After you beat A&R the game sort of leveled off difficulty wise until you got to the final boss where it picked up again. Many people quit the game at the A&R boss fight for this reason as they were frustrated.

This isn't balance to me, this is game design. The game is lacking a proper difficulty curve where the curve is supposed to be smooth where as in DMC3 you start off trying to get over a wall and once you get over the wall you just stroll down a hill until you reach the final wall.

Balance in DMC3 would be if it's more optimum for me to use Rebellion over Beowulf in certain situations. If I find myself using X weapon WAY more than Y weapon or configuration then that is a balance issue. It's like how the Grenade Gun is vastly superior to every fire arm in DMC1... that is a balance issue.


So I would phrase that by saying design is extremely important to a game but balance isn't. No one gave a rat's ass that in DMC1 you could abuse the style system or grenade roll cancel to win.

 

[Horseress]

Did something happen to GAF? Can't access it normally, had to use a proxy, and it's still slow as fuck. Don't hate poverty internet GAF pls