Right, but it's not the only kind of swimwear available.
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Group wants anti-harassment policy at Comic-Con
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Right, but it's not the only kind of swimwear available.
This is a universal rule, even in a strip club. Well, its a sliding scale in strip clubs.
However, it happens anyway, right? It's human nature. I read stuff like this and laugh because it's not an issue at the events I attend. I hang out with grownups. These events are full of immature people. They'll be more likely to do immature things. Attempts to police human nature are always met with failure. Comic Con doesn't need to enforce a societal rule that already exists. It needs to take a strong look at its demographic and seriously consider if their audience is capable of handling certain liberties. Or maybe they can hope violators of societal norms will somehow adhere to said norms because it's been posted on a sign in s convention hall. PEACE.
Yeah SDCC is massive, but having cons work together to get a list of people known to have been caught sexually harassing people at SDCC and other cons and ban them from buying tickets to said events might help a bit.
You can like certain outfits and still want more diversity in the visual design and characterization of female characters.
Yes. You should also ask permission for each woman you photograph and if they say no, you should move on with a "thank you for your time".
My comparable experience would be PAX East, which I can only imagine in some of the similar scenarios at San Diego Comic-Con are multiplied far more.
Anyway, at PAX East I've touched breasts, butts, genitals, etc unwillingly. Why? Because the best the security/enforcers/whoever can do in situations with massive amount of people trying to continuously move is yell "PUSH IN!". At that point people are being violently pushed into spaces where there is no room to maneuver. This could be at a panel, booth, line, or just walking.
When I attended prior this year, there are numerous events I just avoided because I didn't feel like being a human Tickle-Me-Elmo.
That really does seem too easy to do.
Also,
It's really not too much to stop and ask someone if you can take a photo of them.
If you are taking a photo and they are incidental to a shot, whatever. Like a crowd shot or a shot of a booth.
But if you are specifically taking a photo of someone it really isn't too much to say "hey, mind if I take a photo".
It's really not the end of the world.
It's really not too much to stop and ask someone if you can take a photo of them.
If you are taking a photo and they are incidental to a shot, whatever. Like a crowd shot or a shot of a booth.
But if you are specifically taking a photo of someone it really isn't too much to say "hey, mind if I take a photo".
It's really not the end of the world.
A water park wouldn't be public and the owners could (and should) set rules regarding photography. Taking photos of women in bikinis truly in public though is protected speech.
I think it would be pretty straight forward to ban taking surreptitious photos of attendees in creepy ways. I'm not sure how the wording would define it specifically but a private venue could certainly discourage people from photographing cosplayers from behind when they bend over or up their skirt or something. Take care of it if employees see it and take it seriously if reported.
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This girl complained about people staring at her, and taking photos. I'm sorry, but if I left the house 90% naked people would stare at me as well. There's no law against looking or taking photos and it's to be expected when you leave the house 90% uncovered. Obviously touching is bang out of order.
Sho_Nuff82
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No matter how you dress this argument (lol), it still looks tacky.
How hard is it to say "Hi, nice to meet you, I really like your costume, would you mind taking a picture with me/my friends/this background?" Think about it, when you take pictures in bars & clubs, do you take pictures of random girls/guys, or posed shots/selfies with people?
Why is a con different? Because fanboys can't be held responsible for their actions?
DrGonzo615
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Not if its self defense from somebody touching you.
As for lewd comments, that will always boil down to a "he said, she said" argument and would be nearly impossible to enforce.
Haloid1177
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Your avatar is so perfect right now.
But yeah, those types of costumes really don't help with those types of complaints. Groping is irrelevant to what you're wearing, but that's gonna get a lot of stares.
FallingEdge
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Just out of curiosity, to you have the quote?
While true, it's often just better for everyone if you usher the group you're in back to a safer area instead of breaking someone's nose. Just makes things go smoother.
I have bought mace for members of the group I was in when we were in tougher cities that required a lot of outside travel, like DragonCon or AX. I don't think any of them ever needed to use it in the end, but it's still a "better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it" situation.
I'm over protective.
GraveRobberX
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Damn!
Haloid1177
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The thing is, that's already a guideline that a lot of people understand about cosplayers. That doesn't prevent the problems they're having. I find the photo ban stuff to be unenforceable anyway but that guideline won't change anything.
It's hard out there. Harder than it should be.
I don't agree with you, but I'm also not the target demographic we are primarily discussing here. I wouldn't want to take a photograph of anything like that.
Again, public vs. private property both are a bit different in restricting the actions taken in this process.
My mindset is closer to "If there is something I want to take a photo of, and I can, then I'm just going to do it.", and again I understand the harassment we are talking about. I just think there is no perfect way of addressing it.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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You know what kind of creepy attention she's actually talking about. Don't be disingenuous.
Yuck, I hate that term "male power fantasy" because it get's so overused and underexplained. I mean a big muscular guy in a loin cloth with a broad sward = male power fantasy. A big muscular guy in a loin cloth dipping a woman about to kiss her in a romance novel cover = ?
It just seems like somehow with that term only male's have power fantasies, I have yet to hear about what a "woman's power fantasy" would be.
If it's codified it can be reported and enforced. Employees or security or enforcers in the case of PAX can issue warnings or remove people if they break a rule and people reporting the issue can get it handled. Writing it down makes a difference. And issuing an official guideline regarding asking people is just an awareness thing.
It's not more security, it's better trained security. I'm not sure if this is the case at SDCC, but at most cons, they can't pull someone's badge with out taking the offender to con-ops and going through their own methods of dual process.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Men have specific power fantasies. There doesn't need to be a gender equivalent for that to be true.
Haloid1177
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Like what? Any picture of her is gonna seem like a creeper shot because she's practically nude. I don't see how giving her any sort of attention couldn't in some way be construed as weird/creepy.
It doesn't surprise me that there are people going around and touching these cosplayers. A con as big as this is bound to attract all kinds of people. The rules should be made less broad about what is and isn't considered harassment.
Unfortunately, I don't see how the rules could effectively be enforced. It's not like you can have a guard following every single cosplayer.
Unfortunately, I don't see how the rules could effectively be enforced. It's not like you can have a guard following every single cosplayer.
Yes, evidently wearing a button on her shirt was open season for people to lean in real close to 'read the button'.
...you don't?
That is a whole other complication to this mess.
At PAX, the enforcers are fanboys who aren't being paid. I've observed some to be absolutely fucked. These conventions need a larger police or professional security presence.
Well yeah that certainly goes without saying
It took me awhile to want to go back to cons because of what happened to me but I have 2 friends that will never go back due to this one group of guys who kept on slapping their asses and getting on the floor to look up their skirts and then run away. All they were trying to do was pass out candy to kids at the con but were met with harassment INFRONT OF THE KIDS and they even started stalking them the entire con and two of them put a pack of condoms in their candy basket with their room number on it and staff wouldn't do shit!
Shit gets pretty fucking bad at cons and it really can be emotionally damaging.
Shit gets pretty fucking bad at cons and it really can be emotionally damaging.
GraveRobberX
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You've got to be shitting me
Random people leaned in and came into her personal space to read the button she was wearing?
Wow!
I mean what happened to the "Hey what's your button say?"
Most conventions are this way. It leads to a lot of issues, especially when very real time sensitive problems arise, like physical or drug abuse or amber alerts.
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I thought people did this. Every con I went to I personally asked people for pictures and I seen others do the same. Weird
See, THAT'S when you break someone's nose.
No not really.
Not everyone is a creeper scumbag.
But they're out there.
Oh, it was a logo on a 4.5" button. There is zero question that the button could be read from about 15 feet away.
I'm speaking generally here so forgive me...
but its pretty ridiculous how actual strippers get better treatment than women who dress down at conventions.
If you happen to get caught in a picture that someone is taking of just the events and general surroundings then I agree.
If someone is taking a picture of JUST you and you alone without your permission, then yeah it's kinda fucked up. Might not be technically illegal (I think) but still messed up.
Well, there is a non-spoke indication that if you are rude to a stripper, you will be forcibly ejected. Probably with a bloody nose.
Haloid1177
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I don't see how she can sit there and say she's pissed about stares when she's walking around a predominatly male Con pretty much naked.
Yeah it sucks, but that particular costume is gonna get stares that I think you would know about ahead of time.
Man, that sizeism is pretty disgusting...
GraveRobberX
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Oh sorry, my bad I was assuming it was a small button and that's why I thought that was like the Bat signal for assholes to come and bother your wife
Damn that must have been uncomfortable
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Why do you feel adult men can't be good human beings? I could be put in a room with her and have no problem with respecting her as a human being. Why put it on her to change for shitheads?
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