b1tcrusher
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Is it too far fetched to hope this has something to do with Morpheus? OLED screen in the VR device would be quite awesome.
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Sony FY14 Q1: 3.5M PS3+PS4, 0.75M PSV/TV+PSP shipped
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Is it too far fetched to hope this has something to do with Morpheus? OLED screen in the VR device would be quite awesome.
Sidewinder
Member
YOLOLED!!1
Well done PS4, you deserve it you beautiful piece of vidyagaiming engineering.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Ratio between XBO and PS4 must be bigger then 1:4 last quarter. 600k against 2.8m?
Possible since I'm positive that the majority of Xbox One sales were in the US.
While PS4 isnt lightning anything on fire atm its no surprise with the severe lack of games and japan targeted games. It still should hit 5+ million ltd which still will be 4 to 4.5 million more than the Xbone.
overdrivex
Banned
He responded with " we are just at the start of a new gen" he implied nothing about closing gap with that sales figure
"Hats off to Sony, they've had a great start; they have been in more countries and to date, at least at a lower price. We have announced a new Xbox One at a lower price; we go to 29 new countries starting in September."
Katana_Strikes
Member
So potentially PS3 could have shipped as many as both Xboxes? Though admittedly the PS3 did drop off quite a lot so is probably unlikely, however I'm sure the 2 numbers aren't that far apart still.
reptilescorpio
Member
Oddly enough EDGE say Sony reported the figure yet it doesn't seem to be anywhere online other than this one remark by EDGE?
SwiftDeath
Member
PS3 probably dropped to 600,000 or 700,000. 360 and XB1 are at 1,100,000 so it's not that close. Although far far closer than it should be
Such a depressing yet true statement. Curse you mobile.
...I fear PS4 got massively overshipped, if PS3 really counts for 1 million or less.
Japan sales for Q1 FY14 (Media Create) - 127,281
US sales for Q1 FY14 (NPD) - 665,000
Total between US and Japan - 792,281
If PS3 accounted for 1 million or less, that would mean that other territories should have seen sales for 1,707,719 or more to have actual sales and shipment to be the same. I fear that this is not possible.
IIRC, we should have some numbers for some European countries, right?
Japan sales for Q1 FY14 (Media Create) - 127,281
US sales for Q1 FY14 (NPD) - 665,000
Total between US and Japan - 792,281
If PS3 accounted for 1 million or less, that would mean that other territories should have seen sales for 1,707,719 or more to have actual sales and shipment to be the same. I fear that this is not possible.
IIRC, we should have some numbers for some European countries, right?
Killing_Joke
Member
So 10mil is pretty much a lock at the end of August. Is that a record?
sony probably gained some good will from the ps4 launch among retailers who would be more accepting of ps4 stock. also, the platform was selling out for most of the end of last fiscal year, so it makes sense that it would see a pretty hefty restock.
Welfare
Member
Gotta start preparing for the holidays somehow
It's only a matter of time until the Japan-centered exclusives drop.
Dragonborn
Member
Iirc, PS4 sells most of its stock in Europe. So it's realistic.
SwiftDeath
Member
Yeah that's a possibility with how well it's been selling. Retailers would likely accept more than normal.
Not sure of any real European hardware numbers though. There is this for Italy I guess
vpance
Member
This seems to be a sudden change since it was only a little while ago that it was reported that they were going to drop OLED development. Give us OLED plz, I want to ditch these dim ass plasmas!
After nearly two decades and people still underestimate Sonys ability to sell in undeveloped countries. Yes, the PS3 is down in the US and Japan and maybe even the relevant parts of Europe. In all other parts (Eastern Europe, Middle East, Southern Asia, South America etc) it's still relevant and in most of these countries it should be the absolute market leader. Many small chunks can be totaled to a big chunk. (sry English isn't my first language). That's how the PS1 got to 102 million, the PS2 to 158 million and the PSP to 80+ million. So I wouldn't be surprised if the PS3 shipments this quarter were at 1.0-1.4 million.
201X believe
Explains why it has been on sale like every other week here in Germany.... So much stock that retailers are dropping the price to 350 or less.
Aquamarine
Member
PS3 sold 294K from April 2013 - June 2013.
SwiftDeath
Member
Wow so like a 62% drop YOY for comparable periods?
I think Souls fans are acutely aware that Bloodborne is related.
It's the first generational-leap for a 'souls' product and that must be very tempting for its 'smaller' (2-3m?) hardcore audience.
Sidewinder
Member
I wouldn't count on that just yet:
"JOLED plans to focus primarily on development of medium-size OLED displays for use in tablets, mobile PCs, and signage, where the unique features of OLED, including lightness/thinness and flexibility, can be leveraged. JOLED will aim to bring innovative products by leveraging flexible display technologies, aiming for improved moldability and durability as well as further reduction in weight."
TGS this year will be very telling. May we pray that it isn't as bad as last year.
Graphics Horse
Member
I'd be more fearful about all those deadweight PS3s. Shipments will probably be higher than sales this Q as they were still stocking up in parts of Europe.
Remember that until this quarter Sony was prioritising US and UK with shipments with many of the territories being starved for consoles. If I remember correctly Germany only finally started getting proper stock with Watchdogs. So it's entirely possible that 1-1.3 million were sold though in the other territories.
That's true, not denying that, but it still seems a bit too much. I mean, ok, Europe (+ others) is usually the biggest market for Sony, but I can't think of any realistic scenario where the console sold around 1,700,000 just over there. Actually, I'd say something like 700,000 - 800,000 is reasonable because UK sales have dropped (it was still under a million LTD at the end of June...it's still under a million for now, so <470,000 in UK for H1 overall) while other places should have seen more stable sales due to shipments being available. In the case PS3 shipped 1 million, that would mean there are 900,000 - 1,000,000 PS4 on shelves around the world. In the case PS3 did even less, that would result in more PS4 on shelves.
illmatic22
Banned
The war is won.
Aquamarine
Member
Yeah.
We also see comparable drops in each NPD reporting period.
For example, April was a 65% YOY drop, May was a 57% YOY drop. June was a 61% YOY drop, etc.
SwiftDeath
Member
Oh no I simply meant that with PS4 clearly being the market lead in many territories retailers could easily have accepted more than they could sell right away hence channel stuffing or whatever you'd like to call it. I don't know how I stand either way. Probably some level of channel stuffing although only a 60% - 64% sellthrough rate seems a bit low to me. I dunno
Dragonborn
Member
But why do you think it's not ppossile for the PS4 to have sold that? Are there any numbers or is it just a gut feeling?
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I think we also ought to give credit where it is due... They kind of do deserve this support with their home consoles. PS1, PS2, and PS3 showed me as a consumer that the platform holder can and wants to maintain the platform desirable and filled with games well beyond the announcement and release of the new generation of machines. MS and Nintendo on the other side reduce their efforts considerably once they start gearing up for their new platform. See the last year of PS3 when PS4 was already on the roadmap for example.
Fuck Fancy Code, I haven't slept all night.
750000 - 279000 = 471000....we In Erope must really love the Vita...I know I do
190000+89000 = 279000
750000 - 279000 = 471000....we In Erope must really love the Vita...I know I do
Can't be asked to find PSP numbers for US/EU and PSP has been deader than the Vita here in the West since forever so give don't nag me
Comparing shipments between MS and Sony isn't really a good indicator of sales though.
- both are listing their previous gen consoles in the numbers. It seems that PS3 is dropping faster than Xbox 360 as users transition to PS4, so that might skew the ratios
- MS shipped way less units this quarter so they can draw down stock in channel. So it is difficult to estimate sales based on those shipments. Sony' shipments are more likely to be tracking with sales simply because their sales have been more stable with no sudden drop in demand like Xb1, and they are covering more markets so can soak up weaker sales demand in some countries by supplying to others (seems fairly clear they have been prioritising US/UK on shipments after launch)
- both are listing their previous gen consoles in the numbers. It seems that PS3 is dropping faster than Xbox 360 as users transition to PS4, so that might skew the ratios
- MS shipped way less units this quarter so they can draw down stock in channel. So it is difficult to estimate sales based on those shipments. Sony' shipments are more likely to be tracking with sales simply because their sales have been more stable with no sudden drop in demand like Xb1, and they are covering more markets so can soak up weaker sales demand in some countries by supplying to others (seems fairly clear they have been prioritising US/UK on shipments after launch)
I think Apple might beg to differ.
So sad...so sad
The PS4 is likely at around 8.8m as of the end of June, which would mean the PS4 sold ~1.8m units WW for April to June. If the PS3 shipped around 1m units that only leaves around 700k units of the 3.5m unaccounted for; which isn't that much of an overstock when you consider 1.8 from April to June would mean the PS4 was averaging around 600k sold a month.
PS4 Sales November to December 2013:
US November: 1138K
US December: 860K
US November to December Total: 1998k
WW November to December: 4.2m
Non-US markets November to December: 2202k
47.6/52.4 Split in favor of non-US Markets.
PS4 Sales January to March 2014:
US January: 271K
US February: 268K
US March: 371k
US January to March Total: 910k
WW January to March Total: 2.8m
Non-US markets January to March Total: 1.89m
32.5/67.5 Split in favor of non-US Markets.
PS4 Sales November 2013 to March 2014:
US Total: 2908k
WW Total: 7m
Non-US markets Total: 4092k
41.5/58.5 Split in favor of non-US Markets.
PS4 Sales April to June 2014:
US April: 199k
US May: 197k
US June: 269k
US April to June Total: 665k
WW April to June Total (600k/month): 1.8m (1135k non-US markets)
36.9/63.1 Split in favor of non-US Markets.
PS4 Sales November 2013 to June 2014:
US Total: 3573k
WW Total (600k/m apr-jun): 8.8m (5227k non-US markets)
40.6/59.4 Split in favor of non-US Markets.
Drop percentage going from Jan/Feb/Mar to Apr/Jun/Jul:
26.9% drop for the US.
39.9% drop for non-US markets if the PS4 averaged 600k/month for Apr/Jun/Jul.
35.7% WW drop if the PS4 averaged 600k/month for Apr/Jun/Jul.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
The thirst is still very real.
I think Microsoft should show a bunch more CGI trailers of games coming out in 2016.
After all the brutal losses and layoffs, it is good to see Sony do well.
PS4 -what is there to say. Right now, their domination of the home console market share is incredible.
And GO FINANCIAL SERVICES! Going into insurance business was the best decision Sony ever did. Without it, I am not sure what Sony would look like today.
PS4 -what is there to say. Right now, their domination of the home console market share is incredible.
And GO FINANCIAL SERVICES! Going into insurance business was the best decision Sony ever did. Without it, I am not sure what Sony would look like today.
vpance
Member
Ok, well there's probably still some hope they'll branch out to larger panels once the costs come down. I'm guessing this bodes well for Morpheus though.
It was all the "brack friday bunduru"
saw the episode half hour ago couldn't help it lol
DaSorcerer7
Member
Fuck Fancy Code, I haven't slept all night.
190000+89000 = 279000
750000 - 279000 = 471000....we In Erope must really love the Vita...I know I do
Can't be asked to find PSP numbers for US/EU and PSP has been deader than the Vita here in the West since forever so give don't nag me
Thanks for the hardwork. I don't understand how they got that .75 figure.
Well the most exciting game they had, IMO, was Kamiya's and it blew that it was CGI only. But hey, perhaps the Halo thirst is real indeed.
I actually forgot to add PS Vita Tv but those sales have been abysmal. I don't think the Japanese retailers would go gungho and "overstock" it.
It was all the "brack friday bunduru"
saw the episode half hour ago couldn't help it lol
Princess Kenny doing overtime work.
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