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"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 2. Read OP, your 2500K will run Witcher 3. MX100s! 970!

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knitoe

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Wolfie5 said:
Ok, I thought the stock was quiet already. I want a quiet and cool build this time around, compared to the last two builds that were not. Never overclocked before, but I guess it is pretty easy to do?
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The stock fans are loud comparably. If you think they are quiet, you are in for a treat. Yes. Overclocking has been easy for awhile. Mainly, changing to settings in the bios, cpu multiplier and CPU core voltage.
 
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Danlord

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Shortly, I'm going to be buying Windows 8 Pro for Students directly from Microsoft for £49.99 (Unless I can get one from my University for free) and I'm curious about a couple of things

Question 1 - I remember hearing bad things about Windows 8 when it launched, such as compatibility and performance with games, is this an issue now or is it perfectly fine to install Windows 8 (and 8.1 update)?

Question 2 - It doesn't specify on the Microsoft website but is this version 64-bit?
 
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Surbii

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Recently bought a Corsair 450d case. It comes with 2 140mm fans in the front and a 120mm exhaust in the back. I also have 4 additional 120's.

How should I hook up my fans intake/exhaust-wise? There are spots for 3 120's on the top and 2 120's on the bottom.
 
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Hands of Stone

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Wolfie5 said:
Ok, I thought the stock was quiet already. I want a quiet and cool build this time around, compared to the last two builds that were not. Never overclocked before, but I guess it is pretty easy to do?
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I'm really liking your build and I might just copy it, could you tell me much you spent?
 
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mkenyon

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Surbii said:
Recently bought a Corsair 450d case. It comes with 2 140mm fans in the front and a 120mm exhaust in the back. I also have 4 additional 120's.

How should I hook up my fans intake/exhaust-wise? There are spots for 3 120's on the top and 2 120's on the bottom.
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You won't need any more than what the stock fan setup is. Parts don't generate a lot of heat these days.
 
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Pepiope

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I should be buying the 970 sometime next week. Is installing the GPU as simple as putting it in the PCIe slot, plugging the connector into the PSU, and connecting it to the monitor? I think I'll just put this on myself rather than pay the local CPU store $20 to do it.
 
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mkenyon

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Pepiope said:
I should be buying the 970 sometime next week. Is installing the GPU as simple as putting it in the PCIe slot, plugging the connector into the PSU, and connecting it to the monitor? I think I'll just put this on myself rather than pay the local CPU store $20 to do it.
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Yep.

And guess what.

That's literally all you do with every part. :p
 
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Witchfinder General

punched Wheelchair Mike
Fallout-NL said:
Someone in the other thread said to download the beta drivers. Then tomorrow you just uninstall your current drivers, turn off your pc, take out the old card, replace it with the 970, boot it up and install the fresh drivers. That should do it.
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I'll be running HDMI from the 970 to my TV. Will I get a picture with the drivers uninstalled?
 
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mkenyon

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Pepiope said:
Nice. Maybe once I correctly install the GPU, I'll have to balls to overclock the CPU too. Lol

Another noobish question: Should I be plugging this in with HDMI, DisplayPort, or DVI?
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DP is king of inputs.

120hz or 1440p panel?
MoonGred said:
Those nvidia branded sli bridges look so nice and sturdy. If only I had a sli setup
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You say that now, but what happens is one of your
ladies
cards gets extra hot, and gets all mad at you because it seems like you might be enjoying the other card more. Then your games won't run nearly as smoothly, and you'll get microstutter.
 
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Durante

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mkenyon said:
I disagree with Durante, and have faced a number of problems when moving an installation to something with a different chipset. Reformat.

To each their own though.
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How can you disagree with a statement of fact? I just did move my Windows installation to a different MB/CPU without issues. I just needed to install all the chipset drivers afterwards of course (including network, which obviously needs a USB stick). I did the same thing with Vista many years back.

Obviously, you can reformat if it makes you feel better, just like you can keep a swap file if it makes you feel better. But really, if you have a complex software stack/setup it's such a huge waste of time. You can always reformat in the unlikely event that you actually do experience unresolvable issues migrating - you don't lose that option.
 
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mkenyon

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Pepiope said:
Thanks. 120hz monitor, ASUS VG248QE specifically. Guess I'll be buying a DP wire.
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Monitor should have come with one, I think mine did.

Otherwise, you can use the DUAL LINK DVI cable that it came with. Regular DVI doesn't work.

*edit*

I'm also really excited for you. 120Hz gaming on a 970 when you haven't played much yet. Oh man.
Durante said:
How can you disagree with a statement of fact? I just did move my Windows installation to a different MB/CPU without issues. I just needed to install all the chipset drivers afterwards of course (including network, which obviously needs a USB stick). I did the same thing with Vista many years back.

Obviously, you can reformat if it makes you feel better, just like you can keep a swap file if it makes you feel better. But really, if you have a complex software stack/setup it's such a huge waste of time.
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Poor word choice on my part. I meant, I disagree with the advice of doing it.

I've tried it on a number of workstations at my office, and on a few of my machines at home. Never had success running things 100% smoothly on an actual chipset swap.
 
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Pepiope

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mkenyon said:
Monitor should have come with one, I think mine did.

Otherwise, you can use the DUAL LINK DVI cable that it came with. Regular DVI doesn't work.
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There were a few other wires with the monitor, it may be in there, I'll have to check.

Damn. So that means I've been using the inferior cable this whole time? haha. Well it guess it wouldn't make much difference with Integrated graphics, right?

Wait, could that be the reason why I can't get my monitor to go above 60hz? Or would I need a GPU to go above 60hz anyway?
 
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mkenyon

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Pepiope said:
There were a few other wires with the monitor, it may be in there, I'll have to check.

Damn. So that means I've been using the inferior cable this whole time? haha. Well it guess it wouldn't make much difference with Integrated graphics, right?
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The only difference between dual link and regular DVI is that the cable is thicker, and it fills out double the amount of pins.

181px-DVI_Connector_Types.svg.png


If you haven't been using that one yet, you haven't even felt 120 Hz. Regular DVI doesn't support 1080p@120Hz.

*edit*

Yuuuuup, that's the reason.
 
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H1PSTER

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So Gaf...

I installed a new 970 into my PC and I'm running two monitors off it.

I get a buzzing noise on some games, through my headphones and when I turn my subwoofer on/off it makes my secondary (HDMI) monitor turn off and on.

What the deuce is wrong with my rig?
 
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Pepiope

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mkenyon said:
The only difference between dual link and regular DVI is that the cable is thicker, and it fills out double the amount of pins.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/DVI_Connector_Types.svg/181px-DVI_Connector_Types.svg.png[IMG]

If you haven't been using that one yet, you haven't even felt 120 Hz. Regular DVI doesn't support 1080p@120Hz.

*edit*

Yuuuuup, that's the reason.[/QUOTE]
DAMN! Thank you, I'll have to see about fixing this tonight. I thought I needed the GPU to get 120hz. Now I HAVE to find that cable.
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mkenyon

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Durante said:
Obviously, you can reformat if it makes you feel better, just like you can keep a swap file if it makes you feel better. But really, if you have a complex software stack/setup it's such a huge waste of time. You can always reformat in the unlikely event that you actually do experience unresolvable issues migrating - you don't lose that option.
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Sorry to post again on this, but the bolded above might be my issue. I get hardware, how to test it, and understand troubleshooting. But programming or even understanding what I am doing with Registries and the like is way beyond my capacity for understanding. Perhaps the issues I've encountered were resolvable, but beyond my level of ability to resolve them.

If that is the case, I can't imagine it'd be very easy for most to fix.
 
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MoonGred

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mkenyon said:
DP is king of inputs.

120hz or 1440p panel?

You say that now, but what happens is one of your
ladies
cards gets extra hot, and gets all mad at you because it seems like you might be enjoying the other card more. Then your games won't run nearly as smoothly, and you'll get microstutter.
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Yea you're 100% correct when it comes to that. If anything you've put me off sli for the time being, I've only got a 1080p 60hz monitor for the time being, at some point I'd like 1440p 144Hz but realistically that won't be until one card can easily push the fps/resolution.
 
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Kuro

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Just finished my build. One of my RAM sticks puts the PC into boot loop so looks like I'm going to have to exchange them for a new pair. I'll hold on to them until the new pair come so I can at least use the PC with 4gb of RAM. How bad would that bottleneck me with a 970?
 
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The Llama

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Pepiope said:
DAMN! Thank you, I'll have to see about fixing this tonight. I thought I needed the GPU to get 120hz. Now I HAVE to find that cable.
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Your monitor probably came with a DVI-D cable, so yeah check for that.

Also just to make sure, since you said your 970 didn't come yet, you're not currently using the integrated graphics, right? Since the only output for that is HDMI which doesn't do 60Hz.
 
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Pepiope

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The Llama said:
Your monitor probably came with a DVI-D cable, so yeah check for that.

Also just to make sure, since you said your 970 didn't come yet, you're not currently using the integrated graphics, right? Since the only output for that is HDMI which doesn't do 60Hz.
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Yeah I am using integrated graphics (HD 4600) right now. The 970 will be my first GPU.
 
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mkenyon

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H1PSTER said:
So Gaf...

I installed a new 970 into my PC and I'm running two monitors off it.

I get a buzzing noise on some games, through my headphones and when I turn my subwoofer on/off it makes my secondary (HDMI) monitor turn off and on.

What the deuce is wrong with my rig?
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Weird power things. My only advice is to start toubleshooting. Different plugs, different outlets, etc.
The Llama said:
Your monitor probably came with a DVI-D cable, so yeah check for that.

Also just to make sure, since you said your 970 didn't come yet, you're not currently using the integrated graphics, right? Since the only output for that is HDMI which doesn't do 60Hz.
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Just to avoid future confusion, DVI-D =/= Dual Link. You can have Dual Link DVI-I and DVI-D. Reference the image above.
Kuro said:
Just finished my build. One of my RAM sticks puts the PC into boot loop so looks like I'm going to have to exchange them for a new pair. I'll hold on to them until the new pair come so I can at least use the PC with 4gb of RAM. How bad would that bottleneck me with a 970?
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It will slow down performance if you end up using more than 4GB of RAM in a game. Depends on the game.
 
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Kuro

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mkenyon said:
It will slow down performance if you end up using more than 4GB of RAM in a game. Depends on the game.
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I only need to wait 2 days for my replacement but was thinking of giving Crysis 3 a go with the new card. Guess I'll be using high textures rather than ultra for now.
 
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fluffydelusions

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ricki42 said:
I added one of the same as came with the case: Fractal Design Silent Series R2 140mm mainly because it's fairly silent and matches the case. I also got it on sale for ~$11 from Newegg, so that made it a pretty good deal.
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Got 2 of these. So with the fractal case there is like this 4 pin plug in front with 2 smaller black connectors (sorry don't know the names). For this fan it includes some little adapter. I'm guessing it hooks to that?
 
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Goldenmoney

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Drago said:
Alrighty, I think I've finally come up with a build I'm happy with (first time I'll be putting a rig together!). Everything fits pretty snugly into my budget even after factoring things like the monitor and OS and stuff. Gonna be buying things piece by piece, hoping to have everything by the end of the year if everything goes well.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pBRtkL
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pBRtkL/by_merchant/
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($224.73 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.65 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($135.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($56.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($369.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT S340 White ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($158.99 @ B&H)
Wireless Network Adapter: TRENDnet TEW-805UB 802.11a/b/g/n/ac USB 3.0 Wi-Fi Adapter ($26.99 @ Amazon)
Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($13.98 @ OutletPC)
Speakers: Cyber Acoustics CA3001WB 14W 2.1ch Speakers ($22.00 @ Mwave)
Total: $1360.24

Few questions I have though:
-Will the NZXT S340 be able to hold all these parts? It's really nicely priced and I love the minimalist look but I definitely don't want to get this case now and not be able to put everything in it when it's time to build. (It's not listed on pcpartpicker so I can't check through them)
-Will this be able to handle whatever game I play through Dolphin/PCSX2 at 1080p and full speed? It's really important to me that I can run those emus at those levels, although if I really can't I'll just have to deal with it.
-Should I definitely consider getting an SSD? I didn't include one because I didn't really know if it was necessary and they're a lot of money for not nearly as much space but I guess I'll try to fit one in if it's highly recommended.
-This should handle games like GTAV and MGSV at 1080p60fps with medium/high settings right? I mean I'm pretty sure it will but just to make sure. ;p
-Does it really matter what keyboard or mouse I use? lol, I see these gaming ones and stuff for quite a bit more money but I'd think I would be ok with a cheap option.
-Do I need a wireless network adapter/sound card to connect to wifi/hear sounds? This probably sounds really stupid but I'm wondering if either is necessary or if those features are already on-board.

I'm not super knowledgeable on some of these things yet so all help is much appreciated. :)
(sorry for such a lengthy post, haha. I just wanna make sure I'm doing this right.)
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-The S340 doesn't have any 5.25" bays for your optical drive (might be why it didn't show up for you because it's not compatible), but the Bitfenix Shinobi in your hyperlink will work. PC Partpicker link for S340

-You have a great gaming cpu and gpu, so you should be fine.

-Yea. MX100. It's better to get this right away too and install the operating system on it rather than the mechanical drive.

-Again you have a great gaming cpu and gpu, so you should be fine.

-I think it does matter, though I'm not the person to ask about that one.

-Your motherboard has onboard audio, so you're fine without a sound card. It lacks wifi though, so you'll need an adapter or a motherboard with onboard wifi. Ask yourself if you really need wifi though.
 
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Rikhard13

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Hey guys.
So my graphics card died (i had an ASUS 8800 GT) and I want to buy a new one, but I'm not sure which one. I'm afraid that the rest of the specs could be a bottleneck for the most recent graphics cards.

My machine:
Motherboard- Asus P5kc
CPU- Intel core2quad q6600 @ 2.4 ( i could over clock it )
RAM- 4Gbs DDR2
(PSU- 600W)

I was thinking in buying a ASUS GTX760. Could my CPU bottleneck it? Should i buy an older model? What do you guys think ?
 
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The Llama

Member
mkenyon said:
Weird power things. My only advice is to start toubleshooting. Different plugs, different outlets, etc.

Just to avoid future confusion, DVI-D =/= Dual Link. You can have Dual Link DVI-I and DVI-D. Reference the image above.

It will slow down performance if you end up using more than 4GB of RAM in a game. Depends on the game.
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Derp woops, I knew that, just slipped my mind.
 
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Guerrillas in the Mist

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Rikhard13 said:
Hey guys.
So my graphics card died (i had an ASUS 8800 GT) and I want to buy a new one, but I'm not sure which one. I'm afraid that the rest of the specs could be a bottleneck for the most recent graphics cards.

My machine:
Motherboard- Asus P5kc
CPU- Intel core2quad q6600 @ 2.4 ( i could over clock it )
RAM- 4Gbs DDR2
(PSU- 600W)

I was thinking in buying a ASUS GTX760. Could my CPU bottleneck it? Should i buy an older model? What do you guys think ?
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Sounds like time for a rebuild, but if you can only afford a GPU right now, I'd wait for the 960 next month.

While it almost certainly would be bottlenecked by your current PC, there's nothing to stop you from dropping it into a new build further down the road.
 
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Tablo

Member
Rikhard13 said:
Hey guys.
So my graphics card died (i had an ASUS 8800 GT) and I want to buy a new one, but I'm not sure which one. I'm afraid that the rest of the specs could be a bottleneck for the most recent graphics cards.

My machine:
Motherboard- Asus P5kc
CPU- Intel core2quad q6600 @ 2.4 ( i could over clock it )
RAM- 4Gbs DDR2
(PSU- 600W)

I was thinking in buying a ASUS GTX760. Could my CPU bottleneck it? Should i buy an older model? What do you guys think ?
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Time for a system rebuild, if you do want a gpu in the interm get a 750 Ti, it's like 140$ on Amazon normally for the EVGA SC version.
 
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Woffls

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Tablo said:
Time for a system rebuild, if you do want a gpu in the interm get a 750 Ti, it's like 140$ on Amazon normally for the EVGA SC version.
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That's exactly what I did when my 8800GT died, in my Q6600 system (also 4GB and Asus P5). Picked up an EVGA 750 Ti SC, and it was actually really good for a while. The difference was insane, and I would happily have ran that system for a while longer because I have consoles.

However, my motherboard died shortly after, and I was left with a relatively weak GPU to go into a new system. If you can be bothered to sell on the interim card when you upgrade properly, a 750 would be a very good idea, but now might be a good time for a full on upgrade given the timing against the GTX 970 and its competitive pricing (but wait for the AMD thing).
 
appaws

appaws

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Wolfie5 said:
Ok, I thought the stock was quiet already. I want a quiet and cool build this time around, compared to the last two builds that were not. Never overclocked before, but I guess it is pretty easy to do?
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Yeah, it's so easy these days. Just find a guide for your CPU/MOBO, a few clicks in the bios, and a little time testing it out with Prime95 and HWMonitor.

The CM 212 is good enough for a decent day to day overclock. For example....I ran my 3570k at 4.4ghz for almost 2 years using one of those and a couple of inexpensive Corsair Quiet Edition fans in push/pull.

That's a gigahertz of free performance over stock with a $35 cooler.
 
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Durante

Member
mkenyon said:
Sorry to post again on this, but the bolded above might be my issue. I get hardware, how to test it, and understand troubleshooting. But programming or even understanding what I am doing with Registries and the like is way beyond my capacity for understanding. Perhaps the issues I've encountered were resolvable, but beyond my level of ability to resolve them.

If that is the case, I can't imagine it'd be very easy for most to fix.
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Well, for this particular migration I literally had to do nothing except install the new chipset drivers.

Anyway, I feel my advice to first try to migrate and only reformat when you encounter issues applies to almost everyone: you don't lose much time by trying, and it might work out. And if it doesn't, you are in the same situation as if you had reformatted from the start.
 
appaws

appaws

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jehanzeb.khan said:
Gaf I need help. I finally have decided to pull the trigger and buy a new pc. Money is not really a big issue so it's either this:

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=29172

or

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1411&products_id=29121

Please advice
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I would build myself.

If I had to pick one of those I would go with the second one, with the 980s and the Enthoo case.

But seriously, I would build myself. It's easy and way better.
 
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Kevyt

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mordecaii83 said:
Overall, this setup was a joy to build. I LOVE the H440 case, it has so many neat features and it keeps my components quiet and cool (plus it looks beautiful!).
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The H440 case looks a refrigerator... lol

Reminds me of a nice minifrige I saw at the Home Depot.
 
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