sonic generations, sonic colors, the sonic rush trilogy (sonic rush 2 being the iffiest), and even the 3ds sonic generation games all ranged from decent to good.
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Rumour: Next Gen Sonic Game is called Sonic Runners
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sonic generations, sonic colors, the sonic rush trilogy (sonic rush 2 being the iffiest), and even the 3ds sonic generation games all ranged from decent to good.
Professor Beef
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I liked Heroes, but I'm in the minority on that and it's not related to the (shabby) point you're attempting to make.
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Deleted member 74300
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Either Sonic has really good games (Colors, Generations) half of a good game (Unleashed, Lost World) or completely awful ones (06, Boom). They need to "Step it up" and continue with what people liked best instead of gimmicks. Wisp? They worked in Colors I guess, but barely worked at all in Lost World. In fact they didn't even need to be in that game to begin with. Just another thing that soured something that could have been better.
Well of course those ones are worthy of praise which is why I didn't include them. If they weren't I would have basically tossed them into the trash like the ones I listed. The only portable one I ever got rid of was Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood. I regret listening to that hype.
Arc Christelle
Member
C'mon son.
Did you know that all of those came out almost a decade ago? Time flies.
PeakPointMatrix
Member
What the hell are you talking about, no one is citing those titles as the good games from the franchise. Who the fuck even mentioned them? Unleashed, Colors, Generations have been the mainline releases that people have praised throughout the past eight years with more than enough redeeming qualities to stand on their own as great games, Sonic title or not. In the face of legitimate, authentic praise, we get drive-by "durr burr Sonic cycle" posts sandwiched between "lol kill this horrible franchise already" posts from people who haven't bothered to give a fuck at informing themselves since the release of Sonic 06 nearly a decade ago. Most often from people piling on who haven't actually played these games.
There's a difference between forming an opinion on a released game that has been critically panned with verified impressions from reviewers/gaffers on top of your own judgment and impressions from game play or demos versus shitting on a franchise because your last point of reference is an eight year-old gif of Sonic kissing a princess.
Sonic Heroes was alright. It's not mindblowing by any means, but I enjoyed that game when I played it.
TaroYamada
Member
Mildly interested but I didn't think Generations was that spectaculor, pretty linear. Lacking the spectacular level design of the Genesis titles. The classic Sonic parts were alright though.
3D Sonic loses the expansive level design that made the 2D Genesis entries so special though, at least in my opinion.
3D Sonic loses the expansive level design that made the 2D Genesis entries so special though, at least in my opinion.
I think the wisps arent a bad addition to the formula provided theres actual thought behind them. The reason theyre fun in colors is because they have clear uses in augmenting the traversal/exploration and the level design supported that. Lost World just treated them as an excuse to shoehorn in some gamepad minigames which is why theyre not fun and feel out of place in that game.
Professor Beef
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Someone mentioned Chronicles! I get to post it now!
lol, what hype? Literally the only thing good about Chronicles was the writing, which SHOULD be praised for doing something as impossible as making Big and Amy likable characters.
lol, what hype? Literally the only thing good about Chronicles was the writing, which SHOULD be praised for doing something as impossible as making Big and Amy likable characters.
Nintendojitsu
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The Sonic series has the runs.
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Just the fact that it was a Sonic RPG made by Bioware of all people. I should have known better at the time. I fixed my mistake and returned it for Skies of Arcadia for Gamecube.
that's a pretty good upgrade. almost as good as when i traded jak ii in for seven dollars.
That's quite the title, lol. What's next, "Sonic Blue"?
Anyways, regardless of whether this rumor is credible or not, I'm really interested in what Sonic Team's been working on. At this point I don't really have any sort of expectations, so I'm up for whatever.
Also, "since Generations"? I thought Sonic Team worked on Lost World. So this would be their next game following that one (unless they had different people working on LW). Even though I'm pretty neutral on Lost World (in terms of core gameplay), I can't really see them continuing with that style, but I don't really want them to return to the Generations 2D/3D hybrid gameplay either. I actually liked that Lost World tried something different, so I'm hoping they try another new approach, ideally one they can execute a bit better.
If I could have it my way, I'd want them to return to making 2D and 3D games separately, but I'm not expecting that so I'll just continue to ponder what they might be working on.
Anyways, regardless of whether this rumor is credible or not, I'm really interested in what Sonic Team's been working on. At this point I don't really have any sort of expectations, so I'm up for whatever.
Also, "since Generations"? I thought Sonic Team worked on Lost World. So this would be their next game following that one (unless they had different people working on LW). Even though I'm pretty neutral on Lost World (in terms of core gameplay), I can't really see them continuing with that style, but I don't really want them to return to the Generations 2D/3D hybrid gameplay either. I actually liked that Lost World tried something different, so I'm hoping they try another new approach, ideally one they can execute a bit better.
If I could have it my way, I'd want them to return to making 2D and 3D games separately, but I'm not expecting that so I'll just continue to ponder what they might be working on.
Yaphett Kotto
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No you can't. The spindash doesn't let you bash through any enemy with ease. Some have countermeasures for that reason. Level design also doesn't allow that to happen. Spindashing has other downsides that keeps it from being spammed.
In the older games, automation, or spectacle whatever, was used sparingly. Usually it was after you accomplished a challenged thrown at you from the stage or its the introduction to a level and so on. Unleashed/Generations (never played Colors completely) always faced this problem where the whole stage was a grind/corridor fest and relied too much on speed instead of actual platforming. Where there was some platforming going on, it was in the form of floating platforms over pits or simple jump here and stomp there and homing attack to a spring.
Sonic's handling in Genesis games was always tight. You felt like you had control over him at all times and any slip ups were your fault. That isn't the case in the newer games where you can make a turn without drifting or dodge an obstacle without sidestepping. The second you don't do what the game wants you to do, you are punished. Hell, its hard to traverse through floating platforms without using the stomp to keep Sonic from falling off.
I don't even think you need an explanation on enemies. Sonic 2's Metropolis Zone should tell you how deadly enemies can be in the Genesis games and how they weren't merely homing attack chains for Sonic to cross a bottomless pit. It has become a running joke in some places about the design choice about floating enemies placed in a line for Sonic to homing attack.
Bottomless pits should go without saying. They are in every stage in Unleashed and Generations, they are only there to provide some kind of difficulty since the main hazards are pretty much thrown out because of boosting or half the level being played for you. They are only there for unforgiving deaths where you press Square instead of Triangle and end up missing a QTE in Unleashed and Generations uses them for any errors you make. Its just cheap and lazy. Why not just design stages that actually challenges a player's expertise or enemies that are actually a threat to Sonic? Older games only used them where it made sense like Flying Battery Zone. Most stages at ground level avoided the use pits and stuck to various amount of enemies trying to kill you, traps, or even puzzles*.
That's my elaboration in a nutshell, but I could have went on longer if I wanted to.
*Mostly referring to stages outside of GHZ and the like.
Already addressed most of what you said in my tldr, but there was this:
That's total bs. Homing attacks do break momentum.
That doesn't really counter what I said anyway. Of course that is how you defeat them, but they are still there just to keep your boost meter filled.
Professor Beef
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I think it's clear that you haven't moved on from the Genesis games. That's not a bad thing, but the Modern Sonic gameplay isn't based around platforming at all (which also isn't a bad thing) and is based around time-trial gameplay which is something you don't seem to like.
Yaphett Kotto
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I never grew up with the Genesis games.
I just understand that if you create a franchise or idol, you should stay true to your foundation as that is what made you big in the first place.
There is also this site and thread that helps with understanding why I liked the older games better.
http://www.smile.talktalk.net/sj_index/nss/nss_contents/index.htm
http://forums.sega.com/showthread.p...-A-Feedback-thread-regarding-the-Sonic-4-Saga
Arc Christelle
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No lie, if I had to live a life of Genesis Sonic..... I probably woulda dropped him like Crash.
Yaphett Kotto
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I'm guessing no reply to my reply?
Professor Beef
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I did grow up with them though, and I know all about why people love and appreciate the Genesis titles (myself included). But to continue to complain and wonder why Sega won't go back to that gameplay isn't going to accomplish anything. It's fine if you don't like the Modern gameplay, but the Classic gameplay isn't coming back. And the sooner that the jaded, older fanbase realizes that, the better.
You actually got store credit for that turd?
lonedigitalwolf
Banned
Can't say that i like the title... i am however quite interested in finding out how sonic looks running on current gen hardware.
I don't either, but I luckily don't care much. I thought Sonic Colors was a stupid name too, but I still got the game day one and enjoyed it greatly.
Arc Christelle
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What more you want me to say man? It's really one of those "That's just your opinion" things.
LookAtMeGo
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It has a ton of problems from uneven level design to overly stiff controls. I've played it the whole way through, it's nowhere near the IP high point. I mean I get i that it considered by some to be the pinnacle of recent Sonic games, but when 'classic' Sonic isn't even able to use a half pipe effectively and people give that a pass, to each their own I guess.
And this isn't to say that I only like the old games (loved Adventure when it came out and enjoyed Colors, but then again colors actually tried to do something beyond Simon says, here and there).
It's not about having moved on or not, it's about solid game design ethos. Modern Sonic is 'Simon says', and while that is not as good as the old Sonic gameplay model, it wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't also true that taken on its own merits the modern Solid gameplay model isn't all that well executed. Even in Generations there were some truly bad levels and few that genuinely excelled.
They wouldn't have to rely on constantly wowing the player in lieu of depth to the gameplay if they had a solid foundation underneath it all, but what can you do.
Professor Beef
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Sonic 06 is by default a good game because it features a burned-out Chao Garden.
DownWithTheShip
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I wish Nintendo could just buy Sonic from Sega and make something good out of it.
I don't think there's really anything to wonder about regarding why Sega won't go back to the old style. They lost the talent a long time ago, and let the IP get shit on in a variety of ways. They aren't capable of the brilliance they mustered in the Genesis days (and this goes for Sega in general). Both Sonic and Sega are rather irrelevant, and it's sad but true.
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Mango The Magician
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Wonder if it'll come to the Wii U.
Vampirolol
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Almost a year ago people were talking about Sonic the Lost World as the new Mario Galaxy, a renaissance for Sonic and 3D World as a cheap game. When Gaf played both games everything came back to status quo: Sonic sucks. Well, mostly, Colours was good.
SonicMegaDrive
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Yep. If you're one of those older fans that only likes the classics and you haven't moved on by now, I don't know what will convince you to stop caring. Sega has given you every hint you need.
Yaphett Kotto
Member
Still doesn't mean I can't voice my opinion when someone says it would be "weird" for a company to return back to a time when they were good and actually relevant.
Arc Christelle
Member
Some just refuse to see them as quality and use the Genesis titles as some god tier echelon that cannot be debated for reason.
Probably the latter. For a lot of people, when they think of Sonic games, they think of the console games that came out in the mid 2000's, because that may be the last time they were interested in the series.
This sounds Mobile
Would be down if it was like the psp games and you picked a character and raced.
Would be down if it was like the psp games and you picked a character and raced.
why, every time with you.
I wish Nintendo could just buy Sonic from Sega and kill him with a brick.
The previous Sonic Team rumor indicated Wii U + PS4 + One. I'd assume a late PC port too. Plus a co-branded 3DS game from Dimps.
Yaphett Kotto
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But Dimps hasn't put out a decent Sonic game since the Advance series.
I've already said what I had to say about half of Generations.
I don't think anyone was trying to say how the Genesis games were all-around perfect as Sonic 2 has some bad design choices, but ok.
Leafhopper
Banned
I honestly don't know why they haven't brought back the chao garden. Even as some mobile game. Seems like it would make cash.
I would argue it would be worse