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[NFreak]

I buy my consoles mostly for exclusives and in that regard the PS4 has been a massive disappointment for me. It's been my third party box but I've enjoyed the games on my Xbox One WAY more this year, with the likes of Sunset Overdrive, Forza Horizon 2 and Halo MCC. That being said, my Wii U has been where I have spent most of my time this year although that's not being totally fair considering it's in its second year.

I know next year Sony will pick up the pace, but it's still pretty crazy to me how few exclusives there have been in its first year. Have high hopes for Bloodborne and The Order though and I know more are coming in the future.

 

[Sophistical Bunt]

eh, gaf is not singularity... people have different opinions and always had. PS+ is a lot more than paying for p2p, I already have it for my PS3 and PS4 games rolling to my account is just gravy and making sure I will get PS4 as well.

Peoples' principles don't last that long. That's why the "I'll never pay for P2P!" crowd are all but extinct. They'll criticise one company for doing something, then when their company of choice does the same, they bend over and take the corporate shaft, excusing it in any way they can but the fact remains - their so-called "principles" were bullshit all along. Go and look through some of the old threads on here to see peoples' opinions of paying for P2P. Now that the Xbox One has dedicated servers for a bunch of games, nobody cares - P2P is fine and I'll pay for it gladly because X and Y!

The same shit happened with online passes. "I'll never pay!" - sure you will. As soon as your company of choice did it, you bent over once again.

 

[Curufinwe]

I always preferred using the 360 for multiplats and PS3 for exclusives/the odd multiplat when I felt like it.

Xbox 360 was better imo

Certain multiplats were just as good on PS3. Dead Space 2, NFS HP, Driver SF, Bioshock Infinite... You just had to do your research to know before buying.

 

[Elandyll]

Gamespot put up their review:
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps4-the-year-one-review/1100-6422875/

Uh... Why do they outright ignore Infamous Second Son and First Light in "defining exclusives", but mention ... P.T.
Opposite they mention Titanfall (also on 360 and PC) and FH2 (also on 360)... Between that and saying that the hardware advantage will go away...

Wow.

 

[CaptainGyro]

So can third party games. The constant attempts to minimize the tech gap are embarrassing.

It's not a constant attempt to minimize the tech gap when they say things like" the PS4 carries a meaningful raw power advantage over its peers" and also in the very next sentence from that the guy posted the article says that the first parties can take advantage of the tech gap

 

[Endo Punk]

Didn't MGR perform better on PS3? I honestly don't remember.

It performed well on PS3 but 360 maintained 55-60fps more in crazy situations.

 

[onanie]

Certainly a lot better than PS3's first year. At the end people want to see what they want to see. When you continue pushing goal posts forward eliminating exclusives, downloads, indies, better 3rd party then you will reach a point where it definitely looks like PS4 has no games.

When you move your goalposts to another planet, surely your opponents will never score.

 

[User 479360]

Certain multiplats were just as good on PS3. Dead Space 2, NFS HP, Driver SF, Bioshock Infinite... You just gaf to do your research to know before buying.

Oh, I don't doubt that. I liked multiplats as a whole on 360, but there were definitely good ones on PS3 and probably some better ones.

 

[bigbaldwolf86]

This sentence stands on its own and is incorrect.

However, the PS4's upper hand in this regard won't last forever, especially as coders begin to master the Xbox One's hardware.

first parties taking advantage of the power has nothing to do with either the sentence prior to it or the point people are making

Taking the section as a whole I don't see the huge problem. Yes the PS4 will have the advantage in terms of power and that's not going to change. They say the PS4 has superior ports and that first parties will show the power of the PS4. Yes that sentence is incorrect but I'm not about to trash the entire article based on one line when the overall review is well written imo.

 

[MrMatt555]

Xbox 1 got its act together? Ditching Kinect, Indie game restrictions, paying for parity & Gold that is shite compared with PS+.

You can't be serious.

 

[GnawtyDog]

It's not a constant attempt to minimize the tech gap when in the very next sentence they say that the first parties can take advantage of the tech gap

I don't think he was referring to that article in itself as much as DF articles in general.

 

[Skilletor]

Peoples' principles don't last that long. That's why the "I'll never pay for P2P!" crowd are all but extinct. They'll criticise one company for doing something, then when their company of choice does the same, they bend over and take the corporate shaft, excusing it in any way they can but the fact remains - their so-called "principles" were bullshit all along. Go and look through some of the old threads on here to see peoples' opinions of paying for P2P. Now that the Xbox One has dedicated servers for a bunch of games, nobody cares - P2P is fine and I'll pay for it gladly because X and Y!

The same shit happened with online passes. "I'll never pay!" - sure you will. As soon as your company of choice did it, you bent over once again.

Any examples, or just spouting bullshit?

Easy to make carte blanche accusations without having examples to back it up. Should be simple since you're blaming people on GAF if it's so abundant.

Also, I've never paid for a season pass. Have no problem paying for online, but the reason I've subscribed to PS+ is all of the games I get.

 

[Nafai1123]

It's not a constant attempt to minimize the tech gap when in the very next sentence they say that the first parties can take advantage of the tech gap

Ignoring that 3rd parties have already taken advantage of the tech gap 90% of the time is an attempt to minimize the difference.

 

[benny_a]

Taking the section as a whole I don't see the huge problem. Yes the PS4 will have the advantage in terms of power and that's not going to change. They say the PS4 has superior ports and that first parties will show the power of the PS4. Yes that sentence is incorrect but I'm not about to trash the entire article based on one line when the overall review is well written imo.

And I didn't trash the whole article. That is a bad sentence, because it perpetuates a myth that GameSpot helped create.

Usually when you as an outlet have given out bad information you should try your best to correct the bad information you dispensed previously. They just reaffirm it.

 

[ALLseeingEYE]

Sunset will be forgotten , calling Forza Horizon 2 on Xbox One the real one & including Halo:MCC , Ryse & DR3 in your argument about the Xbox One having better games is just admitting to the fact that it don't matter if the game is on other platforms.

Sunset Overdrive will be forgotten? by who? What nonsense, it's an excellent game, and one of the most creative and refreshing games in years. It also seems to be selling well enough. MS has more than enough time to include it in future bundles and giveaways as well.

Also, people trying to talk down Master Chief collection as an Xbox one exclusive are not making sense. The collection as a whole has tons of content that is entirely exclusive to X1. In fact, it has enough new content to more than make its own complete game.

Halo 2 Anniversary with remade visuals and an amazing instant switch feature, completely redone sound design and stunning CG cut-scenes. This also includes 6 completely overhauled Multiplayer maps, with enough new features to call them new maps in the same way map revisions are done in all Halo sequels.

The real Killer feature though, is the ability to play multiplayer playlists between 6 different game engines on the fly. This is an unprecendented feature, especially since MCC now features over 100 maps. This isn't even including the TV series and Halo 5 Beta. MCC is a huge Killer app for X1. But having said that, PS4 has more than enough games to play, it just doesn't have a true AAA first party Killer app for the hardcore crowd.

Meh. I've enjoyed my PS4 this year and I'll probably enjoy it even more next year I feel like I've played plenty good PS4 games since launch.

Good for you man, if I wasn't an old Halo die hard I would probably be quite happy only having my PS4. There are more than enough 3rd party games for it, and even Little Big Planet 3 looks fun. Bloodborne and next year should be great for the system.

 

[Kleegamefan]

I'm sure eurogamer got all the clicks they were looking for and then some

 

[PeregrinSe7en]

You can't be serious.

he is and it's a good point

 

[bigbaldwolf86]

Ignoring that 3rd parties have already taken advantage of the tech gap 90% of the time is an attempt to minimize the difference.

Except that they didn't ignore it and explicitly say that games run better on PS4.

And I didn't trash the whole article. That is a bad sentence, because it perpetuates a myth that GameSpot helped create.

Usually when you as an outlet give out bad information you should try your best to correct the bad information you dispensed previously. They just reaffirm it.

I completely agree

 

[Sophistical Bunt]

Any examples, or just spouting bullshit?

How long have you been a member here? I've been a reader of this site for a long time before I joined it, and there were weekly threads saying "why do people pay for Xbox Live?" based on it not offering dedicated servers. Now that it does, nobody cares, and nobody cared when Sony said "you'll still get the great single player experience for free" on stage at E3 either. Literally the moment they announced that, the "why do people pay for P2P?" stuff stopped. lol. You and I both know why.

 

[CaptainGyro]

Ignoring that 3rd parties have already taken advantage of the tech gap 90% of the time is an attempt to minimize the difference.

they didn't ignore that the 3rd parties have taken advantage of the tech, the article flat out says it

 

[benny_a]

How long have you been a member here? I've been a reader of this site for a long time before I joined it, and there were weekly threads saying "why do people pay for Xbox Live?" based on it not offering dedicated servers. Now that it does, nobody cares, and nobody cared when Sony said "you'll still get the great single player experience for free" on stage at E3 either. Literally the moment they announced that, the "why do people pay for P2P?" stuff stopped. lol. You and I both know why.

When someone asks you to provide proof of a claim, then you should either deliver or just excuse yourself from the conversation.

Alternatively if I find a thread created after paying for multiplayer on PS4 was announced and a poster in this thread has also posted in it and is criticizing it, like you allege hasn't happend are you going to go back to lurking?

 

[Nafai1123]

they didn't ignore that the 3rd parties have taken advantage of the tech, the article flat out says it

Ok, I'll restate my argument.

Ignoring that 3rd parties will continue to take advantage of the tech gap is minimizing the difference as evident by this quote.

However, the PS4's upper hand in this regard won't last forever, especially as coders begin to master the Xbox One's hardware.

I would also argue that this statement minimizes the number of titles that take advantage.

Some, but not all, multiplatform games render at a superior frame-rate and resolution on PS4 than on Xbox One.

"Some" implies a few, as opposed to the majority.

 

[onanie]

Except that they didn't ignore it and explicitly say that games run better on PS4.

Except that they did minimise the advantage.

 

[travisbickle]

they didn't ignore that the 3rd parties have taken advantage of the tech, the article flat out says it

They say the gap will close. How can the gap close if it's due to a physical technology advantage of the PS4? Instead they are assuming the gap will close because of the difficulties in developing for the XB1.

 

[DangerMouse]

they didn't ignore that the 3rd parties have taken advantage of the tech, the article flat out says it

They also say "it won't last". Which is a lie, outside of forced parity.

 

[Sophistical Bunt]

When someone asks you to provide proof of a claim, then you should either deliver or just excuse yourself from the conversation.

There's plenty of proof. Don't play dumb with me. If I say "evolution is real" and can't be bothered to link you to the many examples of why I believe that to be the case, it doesn't mean that I'm wrong or that I should STFU and never post again. lol. Don't be lazy.

 

[SanguineShark]

It's the reason I've yet to get a PS4, even if it seems like a worthwhile future console(once they get their first party act together).

Wii U is just so much better by comparison and I never thought I'd say that.

 

[EagleEyes]

he is and it's a good point

No, he really doesn't.

 

[benny_a]

There's plenty of proof. Don't play dumb with me. If I say "evolution is real" and can't be bothered to link you to the many examples of why I believe that to be the case, it doesn't mean that I'm wrong or that I should STFU and never post again. lol. Don't be lazy.

As evidenced by your selective quoting you're not going to accept my challenge, despite your claim that nobody has criticized the online-multplayer behind PS+ paywall and your allegation that people are hypocritical.

 

[SlaughterX]

It's the reason why I haven't bought one yet... Not a single exclusive that I care to play. The One had me sold at launch with Forza 5 and DR3 and with the current price and better amount of higher rated exclusive s I know I made the right choice. Hell if they don't make a MGSV OR FFXV LE console then I'll probably just buy those for the one or PC too.

 

[Sophistical Bunt]

As evidenced by your selective quoting you're not going to accept my challenge, despite your claim that nobody has criticized the online-multplayer behind PS+ paywall and your allegation that people are hypocritical.

It's not a challenge. It's a matter of searching. Go look. You'll find plenty of examples. Or you could continue down the logical fallacy route of believing that if I didn't offer proof, then what I'm saying is automatically false. It's up to you.

 

[Gaiaknight]

somewhat agree with the article as i havent bought a ps4 game in about 4 months nothing this holiday season interest me sadly.

 

[CaptainGyro]

They say the gap will close. How can the gap close if it's due to a physical technology advantage of the PS4? Instead they are assuming the gap will close because of the difficulties in developing for the XB1.

they say the gap will close on framerate and resolution. So if a game is typically 1080p and 30 fps on ps4 games while xbox games are 900p and 30fps right now, eventually they will be able to able to have games go up to 1080p on xbox after becoming more familiar with the the hardware. The resolution on games isn't going to go up on the ps4, because it has already reached it's limit. So the gap will close.
The framerate will probably stay at 30 fps for both

 

[benny_a]

It's not a challenge. It's a matter of searching. Go look. You'll find plenty of examples. Or you could continue down the logical fallacy route of believing that if I didn't offer proof, then what I'm saying is automatically false. It's up to you.

You make a claim, the onus is on you. It's a pretty easy concept that has worked for many years.

If I just claimed you were a fool then I should offer evidence in the form of quotes of yours to offer support for that position.

 

[Sophistical Bunt]

You make a claim, the onus is on you. It's a pretty easy concept that has worked for many years.

The onus is on me, sure, but then if I don't provide proof, it doesn't make my claim false by default either.

According to you, lots of people aren't OK with P2P being behind a paywall on the PS4: -

But lots of people aren't okay with it. Stop making these ignorant statement and check the actual thread with the reactions for PS+ now being required to play multiplayer.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=62591251&postcount=47

But where's the weekly threads about paying for P2P that existed when only Live Gold was the one that did that? Any idea what happened to the principles of the people that started and posted in those threads? Miraculously, nobody is talking about that stuff any more! I wonder why.....

 

[EGOMON]

The reason I bought one at launch, awesome machine

 

[system11]

Terrible clickbait article, to be honest I'd say the PS4 lineup has more variety already - it lacks a strong racing title though to compare with Forza 5. I really hope Sony outsell MS this Christmas in the UK, just because I know it will annoy the article author.

 

[benny_a]

The onus is on me, sure, but then if I don't provide proof, it doesn't make my claim false by default either.

According to you, lots of people aren't OK with P2P being behind a paywall on the PS4: -


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=62591251&postcount=47

But where's the weekly threads about paying for P2P that existed when only Live Gold was the one that did that? Any idea what happened to the principles of the people that started and posted in those threads? Miraculously, nobody is talking about that stuff any more! I wonder why.....

Would you be happy if I made a thread that paying for multiplayer behind a paywall isn't good?

Also GAF does talk about PS+ multiplayer, but usually in the context of being pre-existing PS+ subscribers and getting less for their subscription now because they don't have to fight for the money as much.

 

[onQ123]

Sunset Overdrive will be forgotten? by who? What nonsense, it's an excellent game, and one of the most creative and refreshing games in years. It also seems to be selling well enough. MS has more than enough time to include it in future bundles and giveaways as well.

Also, people trying to talk down Master Chief collection as an Xbox one exclusive are not making sense. The collection as a whole has tons of content that is entirely exclusive to X1. In fact, it has enough new content to more than make its own complete game.

Halo 2 Anniversary with remade visuals and an amazing instant switch feature, completely redone sound design and stunning CG cut-scenes. This also includes 6 completely overhauled Multiplayer maps, with enough new features to call them new maps in the same way map revisions are done in all Halo sequels.

The real Killer feature though, is the ability to play multiplayer playlists between 6 different game engines on the fly. This is an unprecendented feature, especially since MCC now features over 100 maps. This isn't even including the TV series and Halo 5 Beta. MCC is a huge Killer app for X1. But having said that, PS4 has more than enough games to play, it just doesn't have a true AAA first party Killer app for the hardcore crowd.



Good for you man, if I wasn't an old Halo die hard I would probably be quite happy only having my PS4. There are more than enough 3rd party games for it, and even Little Big Planet 3 looks fun. Bloodborne and next year should be great for the system.

Just seem like one of those games that's good at the beginning of a console life when there isn't much out there but after awhile it becomes a forgotten gem. And no one was trying to down play Master Chief Collection I was pointing out that the games being on other systems don't take away the enjoyment of playing the game on the console that you own.

 

[ConradCervantes]

PS4 may not have any games, but it streams a mean Netflix, I'll tell you what.

 

[markedbravado]

Now we have engadget joining the "PS4 has no games" fold. Expect this narrative to continue for the rest of the shopping season. Smh.

http://www.engadget.com/2014/11/15/ps4-user-review-roundup-one-year-later/#continued

Despite this continuing disappointment in the PlayStation 4's game lineup, reviewers still feel rather magnanimous toward the system as a whole, with ghost616 telling us, "I do not regret buying it." Meanwhile, in a similar vein, admdrew says, "I haven't regretted my choice for a second." With so much on the horizon for the system, year two looks rather promising for those who laid down their hard-earned money, as well as making it a great time for the rest of you to pick up a PlayStation 4.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

I value consoles for exclusives, so their thinking matches my own. PS4 is fairly unused this whole year outside of some brief stints. Hopefully, during 2015, it sees more use. Just glad I main the X1 and have the Wii U, otherwise, this year would have been completely disappointing for console output, IMO. This is all, of course, discounting PC games which have had a pretty good year, by comparison.

 

[III-V]

I don't understand the no-games theory. I have played quite a few games this year on PS4.
Certainly more than I did no PS3 or PC or even WiiU

 

[jayu26]

I don't understand the no-games theory. I have played quite a few games this year on PS4.
Certainly more than I did no PS3 or PC or even WiiU

I'm here to tell you that all the games you played don't count :|

 

[semiconscious]

Despite this continuing disappointment in the PlayStation 4's game lineup, reviewers still feel rather magnanimous toward the system as a whole, with ghost616 telling us, "I do not regret buying it." Meanwhile, in a similar vein, admdrew says, "I haven't regretted my choice for a second." With so much on the horizon for the system, year two looks rather promising for those who laid down their hard-earned money, as well as making it a great time for the rest of you to pick up a PlayStation 4...

& there you have it - the key to the ps4's success. consumers aren't buying it, or aren't happy with it, because, in their opinion, it's simply the best new console. no, it's because they're just feeling 'magnanimous' ...

 

[Alienfan]

It's certainly been a Wii U > Xbox One > PS4 year in terms of exclusives. Next year isn't looking much different to be honest, granted games can get delayed etc. Just like the PS3 at the start of last gen, the Xbox One is having to put out a fight as the second best console. This always seems to lead the console to being the best console in terms of exclusives and value, even if it's not the best selling console.

 

[sora87]

I'm starting to really dislike EG, which is a shame because I'm running out of game sites to visit now
Amazed by Oli though, thought he had a bit more self respect than this, it's a blatant, bias, clickbait article that should have remained on his private Tumblr, not the front page of a once respected gaming site.

 

[meppi]

Already got 21 retail games for the system and a handful more that I'd like to pick up when they are cheaper.
And that's not accounting for games yet to be released.

Pretty happy with my purchase thank you very much gaming media!

 

[Alienfan]

I'm starting to really dislike EG, which is a shame because I'm running out of game sites to visit now
Amazed by Oli though, thought he had a bit more self respect than this, it's a blatant, bias, clickbait article that should have remained on his private Tumblr, not the front page of a once respected gaming site.

How? It's an opinion piece. God the day websites loose those is the day I stop caring about them.

 

[Majmun]

Can't wait for the X1 reviews next week!