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[CrunchyFrog]

At first I thought GAF was being a bit ridiculous with trying to correct DF on such a minor niggle, but to be fair digital foundry is an outlet that literally counts pixels for a living, so it is a little surprising that they would gloss over something like this.

 

[Riky]

I sent back the PS4 version and kept the X1 version, as long as they matched the resolution and framerate I was happy and will take my favourite pad and Xbox Live over some grass.

 

[OSHAN]

You mean what it always have been ?
Comparisons exists since the 16 bits era. People were fighting over to know which version is better because of sound, because of blood, because of every things like this.

 

[MarkMclovin]

It's visuals that are present on one console and not present on another.

So? If you have an XBONE, are you going to get a PS4 because of more grass in this game? I suppose this meaningless information is only any good for 2 types of people, people that own both consoles and consolewar soldiers.

Jesus Christ. I'm so glad I don't let shit like this be part of my gaming experience.

 

[Windom Earle]

They only got their copy yesteday, I don't think it's fair to say they wouldn't have noticed themselves. It only really blew up here with the Gamingbolt comparison video and then posters who had both games began posting more comparison gifs.

Yes, but this comment is certainly weird:

This is curious as our initial attempts to get some like-for-like comparisons revealed no appreciable difference at all.

Various people in the other thread took random screenshots on Xbox, and there was always a clear difference.

And DF does miss stuff regularly, it happened before. Sometimes it gets noticed, sometimes it does not.

 

[Tobor]

I think it's the way they went about it that deserves kudos. No "gimping" of either version's major features (res, fps, main effects), just a paring back of certain graphical areas to keep the two running well and in the main, the same. It's the way it should be done.

Yep. No controversy, no PR blunders, no bullshit. Just take advantage of each platform the best you can.

Rock* is the hero we've been waiting for.

 

[RowdyReverb]

Really seems to "pop" on the Genesis.

 

[Eggbok]

Please. Just stop. Putting -gate after every "controversy" is more useless than the conversations themselves. Stop trying to make this a suffix. It's not.

Spoiler

PLEASE.

I don't understand why anyone gives a crap about grass. It's grass.


EDIT: I just woke up and subsequently am extremely salty. But please. I don't want the English language to be bastardized any further.

We're just messing around my friend lol.

 

[JaggedSac]

Sony is really mowing right over MS.

 

[USC-fan]

Thanks Eurogamer for telling me what should affect my purchasing decision.

It's still funny how this was a pretty significant deal back when it was Red Dead on the 360/PS3, but now that the shoe is on the other foot, suddenly it's fine to just wear sandals.

I did find that funny. lol

 

[ironcreed]

 

[Handy Fake]

Yes, but this comment is certainly weird:

This is curious as our initial attempts to get some like-for-like comparisons revealed no appreciable difference at all.

Various people in the other thread took random screenshots on Xbox, and there was always a clear difference.

And DF does miss stuff regularly, it happened before. Sometimes it gets noticed, sometimes it does not.

They should have got Alan Titchmarsh to review the game.

 

[Windom Earle]

I'm sorry. I guess I'm just frustrated by all this. It's such a marginal difference and PS4 owners have been ruining all GTA V threads with this constant need to self affirmation, making it so hard for those who wants to properly discuss the game.

I don't think this is true at all for the OT, I have not seen much of a derail in there, it is on topic.

 

[MilesTeg]

But then you realize you're talking about grass. If that's not the prime example of nitpicking, I don't know what is.

It could be anything moving forward. Less enemies or NPC's on screen for example. Stuff like this is just as important as resolution. And I'm glad DF was forced to comment on it as I don't like being mislead into thinking there are no differences since the resolution is the same. And if the PS4 retains a higher frame rate as well in this game, that makes it all the more worth pointing out.

 

[MrCunningham]

It was all about the colour palette, mang.

Spoiler

But the Genesis version played better.

But these days, it is all about the grass.

 

[-griffy-]

But then you realize you're talking about grass. If that's not the prime example of nitpicking, I don't know what is.

Who cares what it is? How is it any different than any other technical benefit of one version over another? It's a difference that exists and is observable. It's up to an individual to decide if it's worthy of picking one version over another, and there's absolutely nothing stupid about a technical benefit swaying someone towards one version over another.

At first I thought GAF was being a bit ridiculous with trying to correct DF on such a minor niggle, but to be fair digital foundry is an outlet that literally counts pixels for a living, so it is a little surprising that they would gloss over something like this.

DF didn't need correction on anything. By the time DF had both copies of the game the grass thing had already been observed online. Their initial article was only a framerate analysis, not a face off comparing everything in the game.

 

[ypo]

Their video comparison is very good and shows how much this was blown out of proportion by Sony warriors. Maybe they're still hurt from last gen when the PS3 was on the other end of the grassgate.

Bottom line... Game looks and plays great on both platforms.

No worries.

 

[Art Vandilay]

Did we really need a thread devoted to this?

 

[McLovin]

well, i guess that's that for MS. i can't see how they can spin grassgate in any reasonable way

Working mans grass. Obviously ms could afford virtual landscapers, filthy playstation peasants *sips mountain dew from tea cup - pinky out*

 

[Guile]

inb4 shitstorm

 

[OSHAN]

It was all about the colour palette, mang.

Spoiler

But the Genesis version played better.

Sounded like shit though. I don't know about you, but sound is most important to me, so that's why I bought it on SNES. Plus, that's what my friends had, so naturally it made sense for me to get the SNES version. I had both consoles though.

 

[Vitor711]

The sad part about GAF pointing out differences to DF is that it makes you wonder how much stuff they miss in other titles that are less analyzed by the community.

Or it was probably asking a bit much for them to do a side by side comparison of every area in a massive game.

They explained how they missed it and it makes perfect sense. It is weird for a game to only have differences in specific areas. Most just do culling across the board for efficiency. Clearly Rockstar went the extra mile here for optimisation. DF didn't have unlimited time with the game before release. I think this is a understandable and forgivable mistake to make.

 

[SgtCobra]

Is it that difficult for people to not enter a topic with a subject they seemly don't care about?

 

[MilesTeg]

So? If you have an XBONE, are you going to get a PS4 because of more grass in this game? I suppose this meaningless information is only any good for 2 types of people, people that own both consoles and consolewar soldiers.

Jesus Christ. I'm so glad I don't let shit like this be part of my gaming experience.

And if you have both, what then? Are you here just to complain about graphics differences being meaningless in a DF thread? I believe that is frowned upon.

 

[ShadowSoldier89]

foliage has been a pretty weak spot in graphics for a while. If I had both consoles this would definitely be a reason to get on PS4. As is though...im still waiting for the PC release

 

[lensoftruth]

Is this what gamers have become?

Become?

 

[Huddy]

Looks like Xbox One Los Santos just needs a little rain, perhaps MS can harness the power of the cloud.

 

[Dabanton]

They honestly made a grass-only article. Wow.

Think of it this way, sites like DF will be making even more serious bank this gen. They know how to frame and cater to certain 'enthusiasts'

 

[ryuken-d]

XB1 version is just more accurately depicting the current water shortages and no sprinkler laws in California.

hahaha nice one, I think of this every damn time I turn on the faucet. also literally anything in a game that's marginally better or more abundant is worth reporting between games. I want a blade count!!! #GRASSGATE

 

[Saint Gregory]

Yup, sounds like Leadbetter.

Curious isn't it?

 

[cyberheater]

well, i guess that's that for MS. i can't see how they can spin grassgate in any reasonable way

LOL. Wut.

Outside of console wars, nobody will care.

 

[Mahonay]

Guys. The war is over.

Now we just wait for flOw 2. There is nowhere else to go.

 

[FZW]

Can we not turn this into a massive troll-fest.

The entire idea of grassgate seems like trolling to me, so I say troll away.

 

[SmokedMeat]

It's still funny how this was a pretty significant deal back when it was Red Dead on the 360/PS3, but now that the shoe is on the other foot, suddenly it's fine to just wear sandals.

Exactly. Now that the PS4 version is boasting the extra detail it's just a minor thing nobody cares about.

It was all about the colour palette, mang.

Don't forget the far superior sound.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

snip

Too good. The first one especially... Amazing.

Also on topic, this is such a stupid controversy. I love it.

 

[Wereroku]

I sent back the PS4 version and kept the X1 version, as long as they matched the resolution and framerate I was happy and will take my favourite pad and Xbox Live over some grass.

PS4 actually has a better framerate as well.

 

[Mahonay]

Exactly. Now that the PS4 version is boasting the extra detail it's just a minor thing nobody cares about.

Both cases are silly.

 

[cakely]

Their video comparison is very good and shows how much this was blown out of proportion by Sony warriors. Maybe they're still hurt from last gen when the PS3 was on the other end of the grassgate.

There we have it. All that grass on the Xbox One version was killed by the salt from this post.

 

[Heigic]

At least MS has clouds

Spoiler

That joke is probably 2 days old

 

[Windom Earle]

Or it was probably asking a bit much for them to do a side by side comparison of every area in a massive game.

They explained how they missed it and it makes perfect sense. It is weird for a game to only have differences in specific areas. Most just do culling across the board for efficiency. Clearly Rockstar went the extra mile here for optimisation. DF didn't have unlimited time with the game before release. I think this is a understandable and forgivable mistake to make.

No, they missed it because they rushed out a first performance analysis for click bait.

... They probably would have noticed in the real face-off (that is still being worked on...) though.

Also people saying "it's just grass"... The foliage in this game is really fucking nice and was heavily advertised by R*. Also Skyrim modders spend half their life on grass mods. :lol

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

This is okay and all, but I think the controller features of the PS4 version is what is really clutch imo. Who cares about grass? Lol

 

[Portugeezer]

I just clicked the link to confirm it was Richard Leadbatter when I saw the comment about peoples purchasing decision.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Thanks Eurogamer for telling me what should affect my purchasing decision.

It's still funny how this was a pretty significant deal back when it was Red Dead on the 360/PS3, but now that the shoe is on the other foot, suddenly it's fine to just wear sandals.

Maybe check out the article again?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-red-dead-redemption-face-off?page=2

"It's fairly obvious from the screenshots shown to date that there has been some significant paring back of detail on the PS3 version of the game, so what's going on? Well, the foliage is generated from transparent alpha textures and these are more expensive for the host hardware to draw.

Cutting back on them saves on performance in terms of fill-rate and bandwidth. It's also interesting to note that the alpha-to-coverage transparency type is used on both systems, but looks considerably worse on PS3 owing to the reduced resolution.

Resolution aside, the comparative lack of foliage and brush in the PS3 version is the biggest difference. In truth, PlayStation 3 owners won't really miss it. Many of the nips and tucks only really become noticeable in the Face-Off environment, and won't really impact the gameplay experience.

This is incidental detail - albeit one of the more prominent elements - so unless you have both games operating side by side you are not really going to notice it. However, it is a clear indication that Rockstar had to pick and choose where to make compromises in order to retain performance, and even then this compromise still fails to match what is being provided by the Xbox 360 version of the game in terms of frame-rate in the more action-orientated sequences."

 

[cheezcake]

I just watched the video
Thats it, that's the difference...

 

[cyberheater]

The sad part about GAF pointing out differences to DF is that it makes you wonder how much stuff they miss in other titles that are less analyzed by the community.

What are you talking about.

Every big multi platform title released on Xbox One and PS4 has been examine in agonising detail by GAF for performance differences. Every single one.

 

[Reule]

Having flashbacks to Red Dead Redemption and Mafia II. Least there is at least a good amount of grass. I remember playing the PS3 version of Mafia II and it looked like everyone did their lawn everyday.

 

[statham]

Guess Xbox did the memo about Movember.

 

[MarkMclovin]

And if you have both, what then? Are you here just to complain about graphics differences being meaningless in a DF thread? I believe that is frowned upon.

Like I said, people with both.

The problem, is that shit like this may take the focus away of more important things that a 'both console owner' may be looking for.

Maybe one day we'll get DF threads on how much fun is onscreen at once.

 

[cheezcake]

Maybe check out the article again?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-red-dead-redemption-face-off?page=2

Ssshh you'll ruin the persecution complex

 

[Figments]

Who cares what it is? How is it any different than any other technical benefit of one version over another? It's a difference that exists and is observable. It's up to an individual to decide if it's worthy of picking one version over another, and there's absolutely nothing stupid about a technical benefit swaying someone towards one version over another.

I would be surprised if grass even affected gameplay.

Anyway, my point is that cosmetic differences between two otherwise like-for-like versions is almost too pointless to argue over. At that point, the whole conversation is as ludicrous as how it began.

I personally don't care which version of the game someone gets, but please be wiser than picking a specific version simply because its cosmetics are slightly different. I won't judge you openly, but I will judge you silently.

And without mercy.