KCroxtonJr
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He was specifically explaining how development with the team is. In their office, each computer has different universes, and then they also have the "main" universe stored on a central server that they can access when they need to.
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Game Informer: 30 minute 'BTS' video of No Man's Sky
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Then you remember that Spelunky and Binding of Isaac exists
Let me say, I'm really excited for No Man's Sky and I am not already decided procedural generated is boring... but Spelunky is not a good example at all. AFter playing the game over and over (I never got past level 4), it just seemed like it was loading from a set amount of random levels. If you are telling me that is actual procedural generated, I'd say you are proving the point of those who are saying it will just be boring and same stuff over and over again. Because I honestly thought they were premade levels that it loaded a random one from cause it seemed I was starting to see the same levels.
Not sure what you mean here. Last I checked, gaf is a forum, and right now I don't feel like playing games, I just want to talk a little bit about NMS.
Yeah, that's what I got out of it considering how he explained it. Seems like the process is eating up a considerable amount of CPU cycles.
My god, their tech is fucking amazing.
I gotta imagine it will be really scary when they lock in the final seed. No matter how much they test it they'll still only see a tiny fraction of what they'll actually your be shipping to people.
Also random thought, I woner how they are handling music in this game, or if there even will be any. Actually just sound design in general is interesting to consider, could the sounds creatures and ships make be procedurally generated too? Is that even possible?
I gotta imagine it will be really scary when they lock in the final seed. No matter how much they test it they'll still only see a tiny fraction of what they'll actually your be shipping to people.
Also random thought, I woner how they are handling music in this game, or if there even will be any. Actually just sound design in general is interesting to consider, could the sounds creatures and ships make be procedurally generated too? Is that even possible?
Parmadillo Marshmallow
Member
And he said that making a small change in one place can have far reaching unforseen consequences. I wonder how they will make any changes via patches in that case?
Sure, but the procedural generation that machines were capable of was pretty piss poor back then. This isn't doing anything "totally" new, but it's certainly doing the most procedural generation that I've ever seen done at once.
Icyflamez96
Member
Yeah there was some video that I think was posted here (or maybe on the NMS reddit) with developers discussing procedural music and sound effects,
Veritigo_X
Member
Also have to remember that improvements like draw distance are generally added later in development during optimization. I don't know how much better it can get given the PS4's CPU but I don't think we should judge that kind of stuff until it gets closer to release.
The unforseen consequences was more in line with animals not generated where they were before the last change or terrain looking different. I don't think the small changes he was talking about would change anything too groundbreaking in the world. He said something like, "if you didn't know it was there before the change then there's nothing to miss."
Prevolition
Member
I don't want to watch. I must resist. This will most likely be the last straw that breaks my back and forces me to buy a PS4. I want to be there when everyone experiences this for the first time.
Yeah, and it shows in the amount of "fog" before the generated content shows up. But anyway, the amount of content was limited to the graphical capabilities, not the pg itself. The original Elite from 1984 was planned to have 282 trillion procedurally generated galaxies complete with solar systems with planets in it (but was later cut to eight galaxies to not overwhelm the player).
Yeah, I wonder if they f.ex. cut back on the number of trivial objects like grass, rocks, trees if the fog will pull back a little.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
It really is inspiring to hear him explain it.
I mean, he's simply taking a number of numbers and mixing and matching and putting it in line to create a universe. It's really...different. It's almost like MInecraft in the sense of openness, however this has a clear goal in the mind-To emulate Sci-Fi of the old, exploring planets, building a ship, convoying items between stations.
Sean Murray and his team are on to something. Something that'll be mindblowing. I look forward to them realizing their ambition.
I mean, he's simply taking a number of numbers and mixing and matching and putting it in line to create a universe. It's really...different. It's almost like MInecraft in the sense of openness, however this has a clear goal in the mind-To emulate Sci-Fi of the old, exploring planets, building a ship, convoying items between stations.
Sean Murray and his team are on to something. Something that'll be mindblowing. I look forward to them realizing their ambition.
ichtyander
Member
That interview somehow just made me even more interested in the game, if that's possible. Murray actually addressed some of the doubts we've been having and at least absolutely clarified them, like the distance between planets and even more important, that creatures will indeed be more alien than just types of fish for underwater environments, or just quadrupeds etc. That's something I've been worried about but it seems they've really thought certain things through. Those cave and plateau formations looked very refreshing, something you don't really see much even in well handcrafted environments.
I'm just happy to have Space Engine in game form and actually walking on the surface of planets, and this looks like it's actually going to be an interesting game to play as well, so I'm ecstatic.
I'm just happy to have Space Engine in game form and actually walking on the surface of planets, and this looks like it's actually going to be an interesting game to play as well, so I'm ecstatic.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
Watched it on YouTube, oh boy hype!
Icyflamez96
Member
In the video, Sean was flying near surface level on the desert planet saying that everything popping up (or fading in) did not exist before, and only exists when the player generates it.
So what about if you're looking at a planet from space? The basic geography that you see from space is an extremely zoomed out representation of what's actually down there right? So wouldn't that mean that by the time you come into view of the "globe" of a planet, the stuff down there has already kind of been generated...?
So what about if you're looking at a planet from space? The basic geography that you see from space is an extremely zoomed out representation of what's actually down there right? So wouldn't that mean that by the time you come into view of the "globe" of a planet, the stuff down there has already kind of been generated...?
OsirisBlack
Banned
Looks absolutely amazing a must own game.
Continue to watch the video, this gets more thoroughly explained when he starts showing the LODs with the debug tools.
The planet always exists, yet is never generated until the player observes the planet.
Not really deep into game programming but i think the mountains and other stuff likes oceans or lakes are being processed as soon you are in range of the planet.
Basically the algorithm probably has different values for the generation of general geography and detailes like trees, grass and monsters.
Amazing video, as someone looking to get into game developing it sounds like a really interesting technology.
FreddieQuell
Member
He also said that there are different levels of loading. So in space you get the planet level with size and major features (or whatever). Then when you get closer you get trees, boulders and animals. And even closer you get the rocks, pebbles and insects.
Obviously not exactly what he said, but I think that's the general idea.
Icyflamez96
Member
I finished the video a bit ago. I just read the answer to this question on reddit. I remember him saying the thing about the engine generating objects at different levels of detail depending on how far you are from it, I just hadn't made the connection.
VARIA
Member
Sean Murray just looks like such a down to earth, chill guy. No pretension, just love for his craft. I liked his shout out to ID Software and his remarks about them (ID) making game development seem accessible to the everyday person by the little things they would do, such as how they would communicate in their change-logs. Guy seems really genuine and I'm hoping the best for No Man's Sky. This is a really inspiring interview for anyone who feels daunted by the behemoth that is the gaming industry.
Canis lupus
Member
Did they or anyone else put it on youtube yet?
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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Zomba13
Member
Yeah I love seeing him talk about the game. He just really likes games and working on them and is so humble and down to earth. When he's talking he's just a normal guy talking about his game, not hyping up features or selling us pre-orders, just talking about things in his game he finds exciting and genuinely cares about.
PerezDeCorcho
Member
I just hope the gameplay proves to be as interesting as the environments it's set in.
PaulKersey
Member
I cannot wait for this game. I feel like exploring a fresh planet is going to be amazing if all of this works the way they say it will, because who knows what you'll find? So exciting.
Pop
Member
Not all planets will be the same distance from one another.
NMS is easily a must own for me. Just looks like I will spend countless hours wandering around random planets. Things will get weirder the closer you get to the center. Incredible
Icyflamez96
Member
But they have given us sufficient info to get a general grasp on the game.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=944662&highlight=
DrROBschiz
Member
Thats the million dollar question isn't it?
I want to do a big writeup on my thoughts but its very daunting
Just when I think I am understanding the scope of the game i feel like i am still missing key details
Its clear that compelling worlds can be generated and clearly they are layering gameplay on top of that.
What about AI, behavior, environmental interactions, changes in the environment
He alludes to alot of these possibilities in the video and yet i still cant wrap my head around it
FreddieQuell
Member
No, you don't need to save anything (except what's in ram directly around you of course) all the information about the universe comes from the equations that the game is solving as you move through space.
wondering why haven't they show any gameplay then, its the same old orange planet over and over.
FreddieQuell
Member
This might be a naive thought, but I think they really want to preserve a lot of the mystery of this game. They really want it to feel like exploration.
DrROBschiz
Member
Icyflamez96
Member
They make it a point how games nowadays show off too much info about the content prior to release and it takes away the mystery players have when they first start it up, like how it was in earlier eras. They said they are holding back a lot about the game because they want us to be surprised and feel like a baby within the game's universe.
But they're showing gameplay at the event
Wow I sound like a broken record in these threads
DrROBschiz
Member
I think one huge positive to draw form this Video is how the procedural generation frees up their time and resources
I wouldn't worry to much about gameplay since thats likely what the bulk of their workload is being devoted to
I wouldn't worry to much about gameplay since thats likely what the bulk of their workload is being devoted to
Chaos2Frozen
Member
lol, in the video he makes lots of mentions of U-B-I soft's several hundred man development teams =P
Yeah. I mean, when I watch a technical discussion and demonstration of procedural world generation, I come away disappointed it's not a gameplay demo too.
Wat.
John Kowalski
Banned
formula for the universe?
wait until SHODAN hears about this!
wait until SHODAN hears about this!
BlazingDarkness
Member
U wot m8
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Stunning.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
You realize that is a pretty unpopular opinion, right?
That's because they don't have anything else to show. It's an empty shell right now. If the game is releasing in 2015 then they would have shown real gameplay by now. Based on what they are showing it's a 2016 game or maybe even vaporware. That wouldn't be the first time. I bet a 3 month ban that it won't release in 2015.
FreddieQuell
Member
Yo I'd take that bet in a heartbeat.