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Microsoft FY2015 Q2: 6.6M 360+XBO Shipped
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Hockeymac18
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Depends on one's definition of "close to" 1.7/1.8:1 could be considered "close to 2:1" to some.
I said in the post.
It comes from combining CY2013 of 3.0m. With USA + UK + GER + FRA sell through figures from NPD and GFK for CY2014 which is ~5.7m+ at a minimum. (as we're missing dec for Germany and UK which is the biggest month so in actuality the number will be higher than 5.7m for these regions)
So we can say at the very least that sell through as of December 31st 2014 will be at the minimum ~8.7m. But we're missing sell through data for a further 38 markets for the whole of 2014 + December for UK and Germany. (Japan is 50k for example)
Welfare
Member
Well from what he said, the 3m from 2013, the extra 4.4m that the US sold in 2014, a guestimate for the UK, an outdated number for Germany (doesn't include December), and the extra 290k France sold in 2014.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Man some folk seem eager to prove the One hasn't sold through 10 million plus. You know that even if its sold through 12 million (which it hasn't) its still well behind the PS4 right?
Its ok guys. The Xbox wont catch up. Sleep soundly.
Its ok guys. The Xbox wont catch up. Sleep soundly.
They didn't launch in Tier 2 countries until September 21st what what do you mean the whole year for 38 countries? It was only 13 markets until September 2014.
1st Course
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computer and gaming outlook: 1.5-1.7B revenue in q3. lower than fy14 q3 (1.87b).
Welfare
Member
Tier 2 launch was spread throughout September. We also don't have updated sales figures for the 38 other countries that the Xbox One has launched in. Only concrete numbers we have are the US (6.2m), France (416k), and Japan (45k).
The Shogun
Banned
Because there usually is only that much product in the chanel in the build up to holidays, not in January.
Edit this was in response to the US only post btw
IndoAssassin
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well if you divide 2.9 million by 39 countries that equals ~74000 shipped per country. So the average shipment of 74000 is possible.
Add UK @ ~1.2M since they announce Nov.20 that Xbox One install base passed 1M
Chezzymann
Member
Isn't that better than the 360's first year + holliday though? Or am I full of shit?
No that's cool.... just ignore the actual content in my post....
We're still missing sales data for UK + GER fo December as well as 9 other market for the whole of 2014 and 29 other markets for 4 months.
The minimum it can be with that missing data is 8.7m. It's fairly obvious that sell through will be around 9 million just by adding Germany and UK December sales so that leaves 38 markets unaccounted for. Rest of Europe, Canada, Australia etc...
Happy now....
The amount sitting in warehouses is substantially larger that's for sure compared to PS4. At least in my city
schaft0620
Member
Why don't they just release the numbers
vpance
Member
Even MS stopped using that line in their PR, because the positive comparison will come to an end eventually. 360 was supply constrained at launch, while Bone was heavily front loaded.
Chobel
Member
Last time (FY2014 Q2) MS had 900K on the shelves and that was when XB1 launched in only 13 countries, now XB1 is available in 42 countries. 1 million seems pretty possible.
EDIT: Ah OK, you meant US and not WW. Yep, 1m in one country seems almost impossible.
Don't sound so insecure. Not everyone is interested in console wars. Most of us are just making predictions which may be right or wrong.
Yes.
However don't expect that to continue, especially as CY2014 sales for Xbox One have been lower than CY2006 sales for 360. It was only because Xbox One shipped 3.9m at launch, compared to 1.5m 360's that the console has enjoyed the lead over the 360 thus far.
IndoAssassin
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because shareholders only care about how the Xbox division is doing as a whole (as long as it is profitable), not what each product is selling (that's more for console warz). If the Xbox division is losing money, then obviously the shareholders will want answers as to why.
Chezzymann
Member
Ah, sort of off topic butl if it manages to break the 60 million lifetime barrier I'd say that's pretty healthy for a console. Wonder how high the PS4 will go, I guess it depends on a combination of how long this gen lasts and how much legs it has.
One of you two is. Spoiler alert - it's not you.
1st Course
Member
too much azure/cloud talk
no one give a shit about other divisions.
no one give a shit about other divisions.
LOL, seriously?
Fair enough, this 8.7M sold through was as of when?
Welfare
Member
The only home consoles to break 60m are the PS1, PS2, PS3, NES, Wii, and 360. Breaking 60m would be amazing for the Xbox One.
Expected. Isn't it their best division right now?
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Insecure? My post was directed at those who would be insecure. Even if the sold through figure is around the 10-10.5 mill mark, is that bad? It certainly won't harm anyone. So it seems strange that a few posters seem eager to keep the number below 10 when in the bigger picture it means very little at this early stage.
In all likelihood, they've sold through over 10 mill. Australia alone was at well over 100K I believe before the middle of 2014.
SwiftDeath
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Yep. The whole consumer hardware division is a drop in a bucket revenue-wise so it makes sense.
I'm one of those who think the sold through number is below 10 million but does that mean I'm insecure? It's just my prediction which may be wrong
1st Course
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some windows talk from time to time but mostly clould/azure talk.
division with most growth, this why analysts very interested in it.
As of December 31st 2014.
But excluding, UK + Germany December sales, 9 Tier 1 countries for the whole of 2014 and 29 tier 2 markets for 4 months of 2014.
That would be good.
But right now I actually don't see it happening for the next 5 years. But that's a long time and things can change. For example, with the 360 we saw Kinect push sales way higher than anyone expected. Same could happen this gen with another life extending accessory or add on.
It's not absurd. 1+ million consoles sitting in distribution centers in January is perfectly reasonable. Peak period (Nov-Dec) is the one time of year when you don't wish to be caught in short supply. Serviceability is most important. A miscalculation this time of year can be disastrous. Far better to over-supply than under-supply. We finished sending excess stock back to DC several days ago. PS4s and Xbox Ones. The difference is, Sony have announced sold-through numbers, so idle stock is not relevant to our understanding of how many PS4s have been sold. Microsoft, on the other hand, only announce shipping numbers, knowing the average person won't question (or care to know) how much stock is sitting on pallet trucks.
Insane Metal
Gold Member
So I take it the numbers are ~10mil XBO vs. ~19Mil PS4.
Excellent numbers for the PS4 and good numbers for the XBO.
Excellent numbers for the PS4 and good numbers for the XBO.
Higher for both.
Welfare
Member
Lowered 360 sales and heavy bundles were not going to bring revenue up.
1st Course
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call is over
no one asked anything about xbox, phones, bing or whatever. Q&A was pretty much just azure/cloud + windows.
no one asked anything about xbox, phones, bing or whatever. Q&A was pretty much just azure/cloud + windows.
Well those areas are the future.
The thing is, if you combined both informations, this means that XB1 hasn't increased all that much YoY, or it did but the heavy bundling made them bleed money massively.
Captain Tuttle
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Too bad but that division is almost a rounding error for them
hydrophilic attack
Member
"We'll offset our losses from the coming revenue those consoles will bring in. We hope."
Probably sums up their XBO strategy right there.
10.2 million sold through is actually about right. But this best case scenario though. Good shit.
KillerMan91
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Xbox division did better than I expected before holidays but I guess we will see the whole picture next quarter like last year (MS overshipped a lot).
They have me by the balls already.
I'm never getting an iPad again, and am also moving away from MBP's because of the Surface. They fit my needs perfectly.
Agreee. Ill have one of these forever.