Wolf is a fun linear game that gives players just enough freedom in the single player campaign. I think it's really strong. You can tell the priorities were on encounter design and satisfying shooting...the "30 seconds of fun" or whatever.
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Ready at Dawn responds to "concern" over The Order: 1886 campaign length
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Wolf is a fun linear game that gives players just enough freedom in the single player campaign. I think it's really strong. You can tell the priorities were on encounter design and satisfying shooting...the "30 seconds of fun" or whatever.
entremet
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I'm assuming you're grown up and have a real job right? I'm in the same demographic. But remember a lot of kids and teens have tons of free time. Take that into consideration.
Omnistalgic
Member
So God of War was a rip-off lol, and Ico, and smh...this thread makes me ashamed I post here so often. Seriously, great things happen on GAF, this is just not one of them.
Guys, if you don't have disposable income, or don't want to buy at full price for "reasons" just do so quietly. I don't get the constant negativity at all, it's just gaming.
DoubleTake
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Id say Wolfenstein is more along the level of risk TO is taking by being single player only etc. Wasteland 2 and Divinity I cannot comment on because I havent played. Perhaps I should have been more specific by saying AAA budgeted/marketed games. But even Divinity is co-op.
Evolve and Titanfall both exist because of the smaller risk they entail for the pub/dev. Multiplayer only has the potential to draw in more money over the long haul than a single player campaign with little replayabilty. So these two arent in fact all that risky in todays environment.
I agree to some extent- I love games that have a lot to do/see, but usually they aren't as narratively strong, with some exceptions. Since I tend to value story these days I expect to take it on the chin with bang for buck in some regard.
But I'm not against long games either. I just like when the side stuff isn't meaningless.
Our game is really focused on narrative, and story telling, and character development!
OK, cool. What is the story about?
Special operatives fighting werewolves!
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RAD thinks they are being treated unfairly for focusing on storytelling. But RAD is wrong. They focused on telling a bad story about dumb stuff. The Order has a storyline and characters that could fill in a few pages of manual in the SNES era, but RAD expects people to watch these goons argue in olde english about monsters and councils for 3 hours. The premise is far too stupid to be taken seriously. Earnest pap can be fun in short doses. Resident Evil 4 is the best single player action game and it's full of the stuff. But it gets doled out in 30 second bursts every half hour of game. If RE4 had 10 minute cutscenes every other chapter it would be a bad game.
OK, cool. What is the story about?
Special operatives fighting werewolves!
...
RAD thinks they are being treated unfairly for focusing on storytelling. But RAD is wrong. They focused on telling a bad story about dumb stuff. The Order has a storyline and characters that could fill in a few pages of manual in the SNES era, but RAD expects people to watch these goons argue in olde english about monsters and councils for 3 hours. The premise is far too stupid to be taken seriously. Earnest pap can be fun in short doses. Resident Evil 4 is the best single player action game and it's full of the stuff. But it gets doled out in 30 second bursts every half hour of game. If RE4 had 10 minute cutscenes every other chapter it would be a bad game.
Ace Harding
Member
It's a console exclusive at a time when there are very few of them, relatively speaking. That's going to drive controversy and stance-taking.
Edit: dude, above, have you played the game?
The Last of Us is a post-apocalyptic zombie game. Story sounds so dumb right?
Readingaid
Neo Member
This is totally just me, but it is ridiculously over-hyped on these forums. Its a solid game, a 7/10. Nice addictive shooting and throw away mechanics, I dropped it about 2/3 in to play some other stuff TLOU namely. So yeah its great fun for a Saturday morning cartoon type vibe with adult elements.
Anyway back on topic. I expect to see ALOT more shorter campaigns from new IPs this gen. Its a simple fact that dev costs doubled last gen, its easy to assume that we could have expected a similar increase in dev costs this time round. Unless your an established IP or a studio that can swallow up huge dev costs like EA, UBi then I am afraid were going to have to get used to smaller campaigns.
KennyLinder
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I guess the more important question is: Is the game really good? Are those hours filled with excellent gameplay, no padding, no bullshit, but high quality gameplay (and sure, a good story). It sure looks absolutely stunning, but does it have exciting, memorable gameplay? If it does, I don't really see the issue.
There are people who hate cinematic sp games apparently, and have some weird need to expunge them from the planet. They want to keep gaming pure. I think gamergate threads also brings them out.
What about that scenario falls under "commercial flop"?
Yeah? Sorry I'm so imperfect
There's hardly a way to make broad generalizations on that topic. It comes down to preference. It's also not untrue- a lot of long games have repetition. Whether it's intended to be padding or not is debatable, whether you enjoy that or not is subjective.
I don't.
As subjective as it gets. But I haven't played the game so I can't agree nor disagree.
entremet
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Sounds very witchhunty and creepy.
There is a spoiler and impression thread if you want more info.
I didn't say it made sense. I just see it happen. I see it happen with people of all ages and lifestyle. Family men somehow just maul up some single player games quickly, then come back upset that it wasn't long enough. Military personnel can chew up games on a weekend. Teenagers as well.
It could be my particular area, which really has no other amusement but to play video games. But it happens a lot. =/ It has become a struggle to sell games when the main question is "how long is it?" Which is why open world shit sells so well. In my area, the most anticipated games seems to be Fallout 4. Why? "I'll play it for a long time."
Even myself, I'm pretty old school and lament the days of the great single player game era. However, even I wince at $60 for them nowadays. But, I'm a PC gamer so I just wait it out a bit. =)
It is a Sony exclusive.
cripterion
Member
Why do people keep saying this?
Can't comment on the game's length anymore? Can't have an opinion on finding a game too short if it's an exclusive?
It was the same thing with Destiny regarding their "one area per planet" thing, which there was a thread for it in these very forums and there were fans of the game already dismissing people's concerns. How did that turn out?
Defo. Don't post personal info here for the sake of all that is holy.
Interfectum
Member
How about their home address too so you can personally verify if their PS4 is modded or not?
Quite profitable for activ apparently. Why do you ask?
Yep. And it's not even in the hands of the average player yet. Most exclusives are hit harder by criticism though.
KillerMan91
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God of War III and Vanquish were amongst my favorite games of last generation and both had sub 8h campaigns and were SP only. Stop telling me what I should buy and like.
Megatron
Member
I hate this comparison. Its not like a movie. Movies are made to be viewed in one sitting. When you start getting to three hours, that starts to become draining. Video games are intended to be played however the player sees fit, which can mean a marathon session through the game or in one hour sessions. So tye length of the game doesn't bog down nearly as much unless the developer throws in filler to artificially lengthen the game
There is nothing wrong with that, but your previous post made it sound like there was one length of time that was justified for a $60 game. It's always up to each to decide if the price is too high for the length, I thought Gone Home for $20 was way to high, but thought $15(I think that is what it was when it launched) for Journey was fine, it usually come down to if you think the quality is high enough for the shorter length.
Not trying to attack anyone here, but just reading comments here and elsewhere really shows why ubisoft games are so popular. It seems people would rather have shitty single player stories with a ton of repetitive collecting and fetch quests. Just look at fit majority of the AAA space. Most games shove tons of systems in their games and most of the time it is unnecessary. They just try and pack so much bs in their game. It's a shame we don't have more curated experiences like the order and the last dy of us.
The hysteria surrounding this game the past few days is nuts, especially since every gaffer that's finished it has said it's worth playing.
That's how 95% of all pumped-up exclusives turn out.
It's like opening up a Christmas present. Oftentimes, the wait leading up to the gift is better than actually getting the gift itself.
Can't imagine how bad it feels to pour your heart and soul into a collaborative creative project, with hundreds of people, over the span of multiple years - only to watch it burn to the ground mere days before it's released to the public because the urge to shit post is too strong
Things have been getting more and more toxic in threads like this, so I can't pretend like this particular instance is surprising, but it sure is fucking disgusting
Things have been getting more and more toxic in threads like this, so I can't pretend like this particular instance is surprising, but it sure is fucking disgusting
LlamaJohnson
Member
I've been trying to wrap my head around all of these posts, and I think I get it. It's not the actual length of the game that is the issue, as it's clearly been shown that games like Ico can be great, yet very short. I think, IMO, it's the fact that a good majority of the game is cut scenes and watching the story, not actually "playing" the game. For me personally, I dont have a problem paying $60 for a short single player only game, if the game play is the focus. To pay $60 to watch a (yes,amazing looking) movie with sporadic game play? Going to have to pass. To each their own. I dont get the hatred and vitriol on each side.
This is exactly why I don't pay 60 dollars for the vast majority of games anymore. Time is limited and games drop in price so quickly. Plenty of titles in the backlog now.
GeordieMark
Member
People should think about The Order like it is a penis; its not about length, its about what you do with it.
DoubleTake
Member
Seriously this. Like damn you would have thought the Fallout 4 was releasing and we found out it was only 5 hours lol.
cripterion
Member
I'm not talking about the game raking profits, I'm talking about the critical reception it got once it was indeed revealed the game didn't have lots of content and didn't turn out to be this massive, epic game that the devs were selling us.
But to get back on topic, some people are making this a bigger deal that it is, I agree.
I was excited for The Order , but I can´t really justify 60 for a game with a short campaign and I´m not really someone that plays campaigns more than once if they´re not playable in coop and no MP
I´m either gonna rent it or but it if it´s on sale , but I will definitely play it
I´m either gonna rent it or but it if it´s on sale , but I will definitely play it
Triggerhappytel
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Come on dude; you've literally just started posting and two out of your first three posts are shitting on Sony games... It's very thin ice and the mods don't tolerate bullshit around here.
Captain Tuttle
Member
Please. This is the life of the content creator, I'm sure they're mature enough to handle it.
Yeah, I kinda feel the same too. The bashing of the game could atleast wait until after it's released. If the game turn out to be generally disliked thent that's the case. But right now we only have one playthrough on YouTube and some gaffer's impressions.
If you take out all the gameplay and the cutscenes, the game is about 0 hours
Ace Harding
Member
It's the girth and the texture that's important.
Interfectum
Member
Just wait until Tomb Raider and Uncharted 4 come out. The drama train has only just left the station.
I'll take anyones socials and mothers maiden name if we are giving up personal info.
Hm. Good point, this would largely be my fear, though length doesn't concern me. Not playing it would, especially if it's fun. Max Payne 3 was irritating in that way, despite it being a fairly meaty shooter, the unskippable story was a bummer on multiple playthroughs.
But MGS 4 was a lot of watching too- yeah the game was divisive, but that seems to be story related. All told, the game itself was probably only 8-9 hours. Maybe less depending.
Readingaid
Neo Member
This x1000 I was going to post something similar, its quite shocking really.
I think the main question here isn't if it's worth playing. It is is it worth buying?
There's where the debate comes in.
Everyone can Gamefly/Redbox this to play it. I can go down the street to rent it where I live. It's totally worth playing for the graphics alone. But worth buying? That's the topic that seems to merit debate.
Slap on multiplayer, and you are right. The idea of playing another ubiworld game for 50+ hours makes me ill, like thinking about shoveling pigshit out of a sty.