Leafhopper
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I didn't know Ready at Dawn was code for Platinum games.
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Ready at Dawn responds to "concern" over The Order: 1886 campaign length
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I didn't know Ready at Dawn was code for Platinum games.
why would there be a new game+? There is nothing to unlock. What are you going to do with a new game +? There is chapter select.
entremet
Member
Yeah. The heavy lifting of building the engine is done. They can focus on refinements and other things for the next game, assuming the game is well received commercially, but Sony tends to have a more long term view and I'm sure the game will sell decently.
I have a feeling it will be in the used bin soon, though. Same thing happened with Wolfenstein.
DoubleTake
Member
Risking to be a linear single player only game in an industry filled with open world, collectathon, and pointless side quest missions. Not that those are inherently bad. There is room for both.
Tell me what is a recent example of a game that takes "risks"?
LOL
And undeservedly so. Im playing through it right now and its honestly one of the best FPS ive played in a good while. I wish I would have picked it up earlier to support what Machine Games managed to do.
Neuromancer
Member
I don't care. The way I play, I know it'll last longer (I like to read everything and look at everything). I also replay games I enjoy so if it's good I'll be playing it again for sure.
Length never bothered me if the gameplay was good, but unskippable cutscenes means this is bargain bin for me.
cripterion
Member
You could also finish Far Cry 4 in 15mins if you wanted to.
Hehe, but it has co-op and multiplayer
I personally decided I wouldn't get the game cause there's no co-op.
Yakuza 0's coming out soon so that's where I'll spend my money knowing full well it will provide a better experience and I'll get my money's worth.
Some people feel there's not enough value to warrant a full price purchase I don't see how that is shitting on a PS4 exclusive or hating the game.
For the record I regretted buying Ryse and Infamous : Second Son full price too. Just gotta be smarter with my purchases.
Are you serious? you think that a small studio making a new IP with no previous following on a single platform where they have to build their own engine and finance everything for 4 years with no return, with such high production values for a genre that isn't exactly "hot" right now is not a risk for them. this isn't an open world game or an FPS, it doesn't have multiplayer, basically it doesn't "tick all the boxes" if you know what I'm saying.
I like how people saying, "there's nothing wrong with a game of 5 hours"
Well, when it's single-player only and charging $60, there absolutely is.
Sure, quality over quantity but 5 hours for a strictly SP experience is ridiculous. Stop justifying it.
Note: I'm not saying The Order is only 5 hours, however these rumors are concerning.
Well, when it's single-player only and charging $60, there absolutely is.
Sure, quality over quantity but 5 hours for a strictly SP experience is ridiculous. Stop justifying it.
Note: I'm not saying The Order is only 5 hours, however these rumors are concerning.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Not necessarily. If In the pale moonlight (DS9 episode) was a Star Trek movie instead of any other Star Trek movie, it'd be my favourite one and I'd not be mad I paid full price for the ticket. If the story is great in a movie I'm fine with a wide variety of length, similarly, I have played games that do not take long to complete but still are fantastic (classic Sonics, NiGHTS into Dreams for instance) and I'm fine with paying full price for those. However, such a game really needs to have outstanding gameplay and great replayability.
StoppedInTracks
Member
Added monsters, different monster configuration, different collectables, different playable characters/ costumes/ weapons etc. There's always a smart way to do New Game+ it is not a exclusive to jRPGs IMO.
Personally I wish every game featured NG+ mode. Even open world titles. I begun to love NG+ back with Demon's Souls.
Love Deterrence
Member
People don't have a problem with something I have a problem with. Oh, no! ;_;
perineumlick
Member
Wtf? People here ask for an impressions thread, Rapier gives them one, and he, myself, and a couple of others give our impressions, but now none of that matters because of one YouTube video that conveniently fits certain peoples agendas? So whe're all lying, is that what you're saying?
Lol, I'm done.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
It seems to me that through the history of this forum we always have a lot of concerned posts over total playtime concerning every game that comes out. For all the deep concerns though have we ever actually had a game come out that was deemed a terrible value based on length? I can't think of one game I have played and thought - WTF! Thats it!! Only BLANK hours!!!
Sorry for the repost I put this in the wrong thread.
Sorry for the repost I put this in the wrong thread.
Well seeing as there are at least some unlockable costumes that can only be used on additional playthroughs I just thought there might be some others too. Like maybe getting to use all the unlocked guns from the beginning and so on...
Meh . That's your opinion . I don't mind paying full price for a great experience even if it's 5 hours . I get my most time value out of cs and dota which are 10 dollars and free respectively . If I start treating games as how much bang for the buck playtime wise I get everything will be shit tier apart from those 2
entremet
Member
Yep. I wonder how many people even care for the game or are just trolling. This time obsession is one of the worse things to happen to gaming. We get fetch quest filler because of it.
Look at this thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=711763
Hehe, but it has co-op and multiplayer
I find this argument silly for some games. Does anyone actually play Far Cry 4 multiplayer that much? I guess the co-op is cool but unlike The Order 1886, Far Cry 4 is an established IP and its developers have more experience with AAA at this point.
Is the Tomb Raider reboot better because it has multiplayer?
Is Dead Space 2 better because it has multiplayer?
There are exceptions to this rule, of course. The Last of Us multiplayer was actually cool. And I like to play Uncharted multiplayer as well. But that's simply because Naughty Dog isn't your average developer and knows how to create a multiplayer that doesn't feel forced.
Love Deterrence
Member
Dude, why play games when you can just talk about them on the Internet?
It's almost if other people have different opinions then you. My opinion is if a 5-8 hr game (depending if you take your time etc) is good then it is worth the £35 I am paying for it. If it turns out linear and the unskippable cutscenes boring then there is a problem.
Do we have an initialism like sjw for those fighting to keep gaming pure?
Crysis 3 comes to mind, and that had MP
DoubleTake
Member
You never answered my question. Any examples of a recent game that takes risks?
StoppedInTracks
Member
Thanks man.
That makes no sense. There are more ways to make a game more replayable or offer more content. Don't be silly.
All I know is, come Saturday and Sunday mornings. I'm going to have a whole lot of used copies of The Order 1886 in my store. And a bunch of pissed off customers who felt ripped off by the game's length if they beat it between 5-8 hours. I see it every single time when a game of this sort is released. It doesn't matter if they got a platinum. It doesn't matter what difficulty they played it on. All that matters is that these customers beat it in one sitting. To a lot of casuals, that is now simply unacceptable for $60.
Leafhopper
Banned
I know right? This is cheaper
What does a "Risk" mean to you?
It's not a mutually exclusive option though. We just got a game two years ago that was 20 hours and saitsfying at the same time.
All the talk about the game length is getting ridiculous. (Some arguments from both sides.)
The different Uncharted games on normal difficulty took me on average 7h15m. During the playthrough I tried to find some collectibles when I felt like it.
The Last of Us took me 14h on my first playthrough, where I searched every corner to not miss something. (Also normal difficulty).
The Order 1886 being the same genre as the Uncharted games and the other games of their kind isn't too much different from their playtime. The YouTube playthrough might be 5-6 hours but the average player will probably take + 1-2 hours for their first playthrough. (if they don't play on easy.)
Sure the other games (minus UC1) may have had a multiplayer, but that is a different discussion.
Just regarding the game length of The Order 1886 is around the normal game length of TPS'.
So if that type of game is worth your 60$ is up to you. But the game isn't too different from the others.
Edit:
If the other is a good game I can't say. I haven't played it yet.
The different Uncharted games on normal difficulty took me on average 7h15m. During the playthrough I tried to find some collectibles when I felt like it.
The Last of Us took me 14h on my first playthrough, where I searched every corner to not miss something. (Also normal difficulty).
The Order 1886 being the same genre as the Uncharted games and the other games of their kind isn't too much different from their playtime. The YouTube playthrough might be 5-6 hours but the average player will probably take + 1-2 hours for their first playthrough. (if they don't play on easy.)
Sure the other games (minus UC1) may have had a multiplayer, but that is a different discussion.
Just regarding the game length of The Order 1886 is around the normal game length of TPS'.
So if that type of game is worth your 60$ is up to you. But the game isn't too different from the others.
Edit:
If the other is a good game I can't say. I haven't played it yet.
No and no. Be prepared for "But those games had substantial gameplay and weren't mostly unskippable cutscenes".
Don't forget Spec Ops: The Line had multiplayer. Definitely glad they were forced to put that in instead of allocate resources to more story or world building.
I'm getting The Order day 1- my biggest concern with the game is that it'll probably end just when I'm really digging it. And I've heard some pacing problems in the latter half, which is a bummer, but nothing else I've seem concerns me about it.
Spectral Entity
Member
Some folks may simply enjoy the idea of the game abut not interested enough to pay for it and play it.
My reason, should I watch the play through, will be because I find the setting and aesthetic interesting but have no interest in getting a PS4 yet to play it. Hence, I can vicariously experience the game that way.
perineumlick
Member
Burn....Least you can charge nearly full price for a second hand game tho
Neuromancer
Member
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
People were complaining about Crysis 3 length? I don't remember that in the OT. I remember us talking about it being a pretty poor game and nowhere near as good as 2 but there was outrage over the length?
Seriously? This happens often to you with people marathoning a game and then coming into your store the next day pissed off and returning it? What was the last game you remember where that happened?
entremet
Member
Do you have a lot of preorders?
JetBlackPanda
Member
Is this why games like Dragonage has 30 hours of fetch quests? Or Bravely Defaults end section? Just to pad the numbers? If it makes someone feel better to grab 10 flowers to heal a sick kid or kill 5 wolves to save a village, more power to them I guess but I would have been fine with A tight story.
Absolutely, and I agree with you wholeheartedly on that. But that's also why I believe that throwing the 5 hour figure around is somewhat disingenuous. You don't use the outlier on the furthest side of the low end scale as a default barometer, just as you wouldn't throw around one on the highest end either. I personally think average play throughs will be between 7-12 hours for most GAFers based on the evidence we have, and when discussing the games average length, personally that's the range I'd use, not this 5 hour figure (which is actually 5 hours and 20 minutes btw).
Side note, don't think game length has ever come up so much for a game, ever lol.
cripterion
Member
Yes, I played it in co-op and it was fun, same as with 3 except I bought Far Cry 3 late and there were not many people online on pc. I also played the multiplayer a couple times. I feel it does add to the game.
I also played Uncharted multiplayer and liked the co-op missions too. Hated TLOU multi though.
But you're right for the other examples, they didn't add anything to the game. I'm talking if you like a good thing, why is more of it bad? Gears of Wars wouldn't be the game it is today without co-op or multi.
Okay,but the game it's self does not take any Risk. Which is okay.
Nope.
Yes, padding equals bang for buck to people.
Funny thing is, I doubt most ever finish those bigger games.
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
I swear we had the exact same discussion when Uncharted 1 was released; and that game is not fondly remembered at all.
5 hour length with no replay value for a $60 dollar game is absolutely atrocious, and the market will surely see it that way; I fully expect the price of this game to go down REALLY fast.
Let's hope Sony gives them a second chance, so they can reuse assets and the engine and make a better all around sequel.
5 hour length with no replay value for a $60 dollar game is absolutely atrocious, and the market will surely see it that way; I fully expect the price of this game to go down REALLY fast.
Let's hope Sony gives them a second chance, so they can reuse assets and the engine and make a better all around sequel.
Why are so many people convinced that every game that is longer than the order is full of fetch quests and repetition? That isn't the case, so stop cherry picking.
entremet
Member
Yep. I really hate this aspect of game design.
This game makes me think more of Ryse.
Justice_Bolt
Member
I will be honest.. I think that 5 1/2 hours for a single-player only game is short. But I always check every rooms and places so maybe it will be longer than that for me. I already preordered the game..No regrets as long as it's a good game.