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I can agree about the stuff like anal prolapses being harmful for pretty much everyone involved, but the vast majority of the article is making one bold statement after the other with very little to actually back those statements up.

 

[ohhthegore]

Sheena retired tho

 

[Tesseract]

pure projection, and absolute twaddle

 

[BriareosGAF]

While most of this isn't really worth addressing, there is a long history of social commentary/criticism exploring the modern sexualization of consumer goods and conspicuous consumption--nothing new there, and not particularly controversial.

 

[AlucardGV]

“Women are told in our society they have two choices,” Dines said. “They are either fuckable or invisible

SHOCK!
KUMA SHOCK!

 

[Sajjaja]

lol pretty much.


But Chris Hedges is citing someone else in those quotes btw (i.e the CP). Also, didn't know he was a Presbyterian Minister.

 

[Orbis Tabula]

Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ass.
From what I’ve tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish crass,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ass
Is also great
And would surpass.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

My exact reaction upon learning the news.

 

[Darklord]

Most women I know love porn and especially porn where the woman is submissive. They love it when the female porn star is spanked or their arse is grabbed like the guy can barely contain himself or where she's tossed on a bed before she's eaten out. That's not purely a guy thing.
In fact, compared to 10 and 20 years ago porn these days is much more "normal". It's not just big fake tits and blonde hair getting gang banged. A lot of the most popular porn stars are all natural now. Massage porn is very popular now. so is edging porn. X-art, X-passion and others are sites that are about intimate, real sex are huge. Go to any porn site and you can find thousands of videos about seduction and passion instead of "I'm a cunt, I'm a whore". I've even seen a few where the porn stars wear no make up and just regular clothes.

The fact this guy acts like porn is purely a "boys" things shows he has absolutely no idea.

 

[TyrantGuardian]

Wow, that is one of the worst articles I have ever read. I say this as a (yes, sex positive) radical feminist.

For example, it keeps shaming acts of bdsm over and over again, automatically assuming that women being "tortured" is inherently wrong, which is a completely bizarre notion. Now, I personally have no idea why hardcore bdsm play has made its way into mainstream porn, and I'm hoping most viewers aren't actually horrible scumbags who hate women, but this article doesn't even entertain the thought that some people find pleasure in that stuff. Luckily where I live, the courts disagree.

I can agree about the stuff like anal prolapses being harmful for pretty much everyone involved, but the vast majority of the article is making one bold statement after the other with very little to actually back those statements up.

Not when the performers know what they are doing, as seen on the site Everything Butt. I'd like to see legit citations about performers needing "surgery".


The article completely ignores women who watch porn as well. I guess only men are savage brutes who enjoy sexual arousal at well in this guy's mind? Sorry, that's just straight up old-school patriarchal bullshit being waved around under the guise of feminism and it pisses me off.

Just complete bias throughout the text with zero critical thinking involved. Shameful. Now excuse me while I go watch some porn where women inflict severe pain and humiliation upon submissive men, thanks.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

OP quickly edited out 'excellent article' from his post and ran. He's never posting in this thread again.

That's disappointing.

 

[GraveRobberX]

Can we just bring back '80's porn =/
Torii Welles, Debbi Diamond, Nina Hartley, Alicia Rio, etc.

 

[-COOLIO-]

so much of porn, the much better stuff actually, isn't degrading. in fact, i would suspect that the degrading "im a bitch" stuff is becoming more and more niche.

additionally, even when it comes to the degrading stuff, i suspect that even young teens are able separate fact from fiction just as they do with movies. but this is only a guess, and due to the lack of citation in the original article, i suspect its author is guessing as well.

also, this really is a terrible article.

adult porn leading to child porn?

men cant get erections around real women?

come on bruh.

 

[Brakke]

But Chris Hedges is citing someone else in those quotes btw (i.e the CP). Also, didn't know he was a Presbyterian Minister.

Only since late last year.

Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ass.
From what I’ve tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish crass,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ass
Is also great
And would surpass.

Keep it coming.

 

[...Scatter...]

OP, by excellent article I hope you were being sarcastic.

NSFW

Spoiler

 

[neorej]

Good work so far not even reading the excerpts in the OP, let alone clicking through to the article.



Author is a dude.

He sounds like a woman.

 

[BadAss2961]

Somehow I bet this writer is the biggest, most depraved porn/sex freak.

 

[Shake Appeal]

Porn, like advertising, is a regurgitation of a society's values and preferences. This can lead to values and preferences become entrenched, which is a bad thing if they're values and preferences we agree are destructive either to society or individuals; this is a good argument against our pornography as it exists. There are also myriad problems about children being exposed to sexual content too early, performers enduring physical or emotional suffering, consumers becoming desensitized and losing intimacy in their private lives, etc., etc.

But adult porn is not going to create an apocalyptic scenario where everyone is addicted to child porn. It's just not. It may reconfigure human sexuality in countries where pornography is widely available, and that may have a lot of negative ramifications. But this not how the world ends. And except in a very abstract "commodification of sexuality" way, I don't think porn is a tool of industrial capital either, let alone an efficient tool.

 

[speculawyer]

Well, that sounds like a better apocalypse than most.

 

[Natureboy99]

As someone who is deeply ambivalent about pornography and thinks it's a net negative for the overwhelming majority of people, this piece and its conclusions are absurd.

Based on the title I think the author was taking every extreme they could to try to make the point; it's a big problem with big consequences and too many benefit financially from it for the problem to go away.

 

[Aeana]

He sounds like a woman.

Please elaborate.

 

[Brakke]

He sounds like a woman.

1) Weird thing to say.
2) He quoted women in his article maybe you got confused.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

He sounds like a woman.

He doesn't sound like any woman I know.

 

[Ferrio]

I'd like him to explain home made porn.

 

[AppleMIX]

If we were a society where we were whole, connected human beings in real communities, then we would not be able to look at porn. We would not be able to watch another human being tortured.

I'm pretty sure people would still look at porn.

 

[MMaRsu]

How is it a thread backfire?

 

[PdotMichael]

Better seeing the end of the world than living in the world of Chris Hedges.

 

[patapuf]

Global capitalism started pornography and "women being tortured for sex"

Now let's ignore the history of women being captured as sex slaves, mmkay.

Yeah, there's some wierd quotes and in that article.

 

[Shake Appeal]

I'd like him to explain home made porn.

He would tell you that people filming their own exploits in the style of professional pornography is evidence of the way our sexual identities are being constructed in large part by professional pornography. And he'd be right.

The problem is thinking that pornography is some alien force being inflicted on humans instead of a very complicated and multifaceted reflection of both our natural and encultured desires.

 

[esms]

Can we just bring back '80's porn =/
Torii Welles, Debbi Diamond, Nina Hartley, Alicia Rio, etc.

You. I like you.

 

[Phat Michael]

OP ain't coming back.

 

[djplaeskool]

Well then...
Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;

 

[pants]

He sounds like a woman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqNXE07fKuw

 

[TxdoHawk]

Professional rank-and-file pornography is what the end of the world looks like, maybe. I don't get the lure, personally, not when amateur stuff where the people involved actually want each other is a million times better.

 

[Ferrio]

He would tell you that people filming their own exploits in the style of professional pornography is evidence of the way our sexual identities are being constructed in large part by professional pornography. And he'd be right.

I don't think I've seen an amateur video filed in the style of professional pornography. At that point it's not amateur anymore.

 

[Timeaisis]

Porn, like global capitalism, is where human beings are sent to die.

 

[Shard]

This is my reasoned response to this article.

 

[Jackben]

He would tell you that people filming their own exploits in the style of professional pornography is evidence of the way our sexual identities are being constructed in large part by professional pornography. And he'd be right.

The problem is thinking that pornography is some alien force being inflicted on humans instead of a very complicated and multifaceted reflection of both our natural and encultured desires.

This is something I've always wondered about. I've had the desire to record my own sexual exploits before but the few times I'm with a willing partner it always ends up looking "off" or "weird" on re-watch. Maybe because of the way I record it. Has my consumption of commercialized porn changed the way I see recorded sex? What would be the ideal way to record yourself having sex and is it even possible to do so without having been influenced by porn? These are actually interesting questions, and much more legitimate than "if you watch porn you will inevitably become a pedophile".

 

[Deleted member 309291]

This looks like a freshman's rushed essay. A bunch of toughts barely (if at all) connected. Complete with the inevitable flashy words; Capitalism! Society! Corporate culture!

 

[Ms.Galaxy]

“I am a cunt. I am a bitch. I am a whore. I am a slut. Fuck me hard with your big cock.” They plead to be physically abused.

You know, a lot of women do the same in real life. I am one of them, I love being somewhat physically abused during sex, its my kink.

 

[Zombine]

You know, a lot of women do the same in real life. I am one of them, I love being somewhat physically abused during sex, its my kink.

Spoiler

Preach it. Vanilla anything blows.

 

[radios shipping overview]

Articles like this are why we can't have a proper discussion on how most porn is actually pretty awful in a lot of ways without people reacting flippantly.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

Most women I know love porn and especially porn where the woman is submissive. They love it when the female porn star is spanked or their arse is grabbed like the guy can barely contain himself or where she's tossed on a bed before she's eaten out. That's not purely a guy thing.
In fact, compared to 10 and 20 years ago porn these days is much more "normal". It's not just big fake tits and blonde hair getting gang banged. A lot of the most popular porn stars are all natural now. Massage porn is very popular now. so is edging porn. X-art, X-passion and others are sites that are about intimate, real sex are huge. Go to any porn site and you can find thousands of videos about seduction and passion instead of "I'm a cunt, I'm a whore". I've even seen a few where the porn stars wear no make up and just regular clothes.

The fact this guy acts like porn is purely a "boys" things shows he has absolutely no idea.

His stance that any enjoyment of submissive acts is inherently evil and can only lead in one of the most despicable things imaginable in particular rubbed me the wrong way. It's not a one way street where the dominant man likes seeing a woman get debased.

Like you said a lot of women like seeing other women portrayed that way and besides the more mainstream portrayal of submissive women, there are also a lot of submissive men who derive enjoyment out of submissive portrayals of either sex. Branding anyone who derives enjoyment out of power play dynamics as a cruel monster or someone who's been irreversibly corrupted by porn is a bridge too far.

While it's possible a lot of fetishes are learned and can be cultivated by porn watching, I'm pretty sure a lot of the stronger ones are hardwired into people's brains and were active or dormant before any porn watching occurred.

Porn, like advertising, is a regurgitation of a society's values and preferences. This can lead to values and preferences become entrenched, which is a bad thing if they're values and preferences we agree are destructive either to society or individuals; this is a good argument against our pornography as it exists. There are also myriad problems about children being exposed to sexual content too early, performers enduring physical or emotional suffering, consumers becoming desensitized and losing intimacy in their private lives, etc., etc.

This part I can agree with though.

 

[Shake Appeal]

Most women I know love porn and especially porn where the woman is submissive. They love it when the female porn star is spanked or their arse is grabbed like the guy can barely contain himself or where she's tossed on a bed before she's eaten out. That's not purely a guy thing.
In fact, compared to 10 and 20 years ago porn these days is much more "normal". It's not just big fake tits and blonde hair getting gang banged. A lot of the most popular porn stars are all natural now. Massage porn is very popular now. so is edging porn. X-art, X-passion and others are sites that are about intimate, real sex are huge. Go to any porn site and you can find thousands of videos about seduction and passion instead of "I'm a cunt, I'm a whore". I've even seen a few where the porn stars wear no make up and just regular clothes.

The fact this guy acts like porn is purely a "boys" things shows he has absolutely no idea.

I agree with your second large paragraph, and I think there are positive trends in porn, even if they're starting from a pretty gross place.

But the author would take your first paragraph and say that the reason women feel that way is because those desires have been inculcated by culture and especially patriarchy, and that porn is an essential force in culture. You'd have to argue the toss about the extent to which (some?) women are inherently submissive, and whether that's a good thing, and the extent to which their sexuality is shaped by our sexual norms, and whether that's a good thing, and the extent to which they have ownership over their own desires. All of which are interesting and worthwhile discussions in their own right.

 

[Broseybrose]

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/pornography_is_what_the_end_of_the_world_looks_like_20150215

Just some stand out quotes.

This article really hits home for me because I was exposed to porn at a very young age. Young enough to where i was not only a porn addict by my teens, but I had a very difficult time relating to real girls.

I was very lucky and met a girl that liked me enough to walk me through the process of losing my virginity lol. She was 19 and I was 17 so she knew what she was doing. If it wasnt for my relationship with her, I couldve turned into a completely different person.

I stopped watching porn altogether around age 22.

 

[_Ryo_]

You know, a lot of women do the same in real life. I am one of them, I love being somewhat physically abused during sex, its my kink.

He would say you are only this way because of porn.

 

[BPoole]

Porn is the best thing

 

[Shaanyboi]

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a BangBus.

Kudos

 

[speculawyer]

I'd like to see a study that classifies different genres of porn and specifies how much of each genres is watched. I suspect he is massively exaggerating the popularity of degrading porn. But I could be wrong.

Maybe that's what he's into and thinks everyone watches that.

 

[Souldestroyer Reborn]

If the end of the world looks like pornography and I'm the dude in the porno then roll on the end of the world.

Sooner rather than later please.