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[Maximus.]

Porn hasn't ruined my image of women and doesn't make me treat them like objects when we have sex. Stupid porn/sex shaming!

 

[Jackben]

I think what would make this guy happy is porn with a message. Imagine a website where right after the cumshot the screen freezes and a fact scrolls down the screen:

"Are you gonna cum for me daddy?"
"Ehhhgrrrughhhh"

*screen freezes and text scrolls*

"On this day in 1923, in Thebes, Egypt, English archaeologist Howard Carter enters the sealed burial chamber of the ancient Egyptian ruler King Tutankhamen."

I think it's a fair middle ground. You get yourself off and you learn something.

Or one of those slutty teacher porns where the "teacher" actually is a teacher and holds an hour long presentation on tax laws before the fucking.

"Entire nation addicted to new genre of 'Education porn'. Scientists report average US intelligence quotients increased nationwide, republican party voters at an all time low."

 

[Brakke]

I think what would make this guy happy is porn with a message. Imagine a website where right after the cumshot the screen freezes and a fact scrolls down the screen:

"Are you gonna cum for me daddy?"
"Ehhhgrrrughhhh"

*screen freezes and text scrolls*

"On this day in 1923, in Thebes, Egypt, English archaeologist Howard Carter enters the sealed burial chamber of the ancient Egyptian ruler King Tutankhamen."

I think it's a fair middle ground. You get yourself off and you learn something.

I think there's a reddit like this, fun facts added to pictures of titties.

Honestly I'd really like this. I'm into silly porn sometimes.

Prostitution is one of the oldest professions.

Sex business will always bee evolving and alive, and peoples everyday life will not be affected.

How is someone's profession
not affecting their everyday life?

 

[perfectchaos007]

Are people desensitized though? I still get a hard on to basic shit. Hell it doesn't take much really. And I've seen some nasty shit. I honestly think people fall into their range naturally. Some people are just extra. Have been since the beginning of time.

You could be right. My only experience with classic porn are the clips shown on Daves Old Porn on Shotime, and compared to todays stuff thats tame. Also, I'm pretty sure stuff like prolapse and speculum porn didn't exist in the 80's.

 

[Rex Griswold]

The article claims that only women like being "abused".

I like getting blindfolded. I like having my hands tied up. I like getting slapped. I like being told I'm being used. I am a man.

Do I not exist to this fellow?

Either way, who cares, garbage piece of writing. None of the women that have been in my life have ever sat there and criticized pornography for that.

 

[Shake Appeal]

Prostitution is one of the oldest professions.

Sex business will always bee evolving and alive, and peoples everyday life will not be affected.

Slaver was one of the world's oldest professions, but we've mostly stamped it out in the developed world — and it's seen as transgressive and deeply dehumanizing almost everywhere.

Which is not to equate prostitution with slavery (although there are feminists who would, and they have worthwhile arguments as to why). But we should note that just because norms are long-lived doesn't mean they will always be around or always accepted.

I think I'm defending this article more than I expected to (because I think it's hyperbolic and reactionary), but maybe people aren't willing to at least ask the questions about how porn affects us, individually and collectively. Even if it's only one factor among many in our sexual identity, it's a significant one, and it affects everyone we interact with, too.

 

[MattyG]

One of my best friends and his wife (also a friend) says stuff like this all the time (not quite as extreme though) and I have to never argue because you just get told that "you're disgusting if you don't think porn is disgusting".

Our whole group of friends was at their house a couple weeks ago and his wife said "Oh, so a weird thing happened the other day. I turned the TV on for So and So (their kid. No, his name isn't So and So) to watch something, and there was porn playing. I don't have any idea how it got there." A couple of us glanced at her husband and we made quick eye contact. We knew how it got there.

 

[digita1alchemy]

This article acts like all porn is the same, when in reality we are currently experiencing a kind of porn golden age where there is porn for pretty much whatever you're into, whether that's hate fucking, sensual love making or anything in between.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

I think there's a reddit like this, fun facts added to pictures of titties.

Well there goes that start up idea.

 

[esms]

Right. And so there are a few different things to consider. I agree that there is a difference and I think that we as a society tend to forget to brush aside those differences. Porn is not real. With porn everything is considered: angles, position, lighting, colors, environment, pubic hair etc. All of these are tweaked to perfection to elicit the most response. Thus I think having watched porn and had sex, my own recording does not even come close to matching what I've seen for many reasons. This isn't necessarily a bad thing but I think it may have negative consequences in regards to body image for women (and men) and also negative effects on arousal. The article touches on that last point briefly and I think that is one of the parts that is actually worth discussing.

Precisely my thoughts, except for the thought that porn itself is leading to these negative effects. I think the problem lies with a negatively affected viewer not being able to separate fantasy from reality.

I like porn. I use porn as a jumping off point for stuff to try in my sex life. But I believe there are others that just want to have porn sex with porn stars, and that leads to serious dysfunction.

 

[Fj0823]

end of the world you say? I'm riding this shit out till the end with Jada Stevens, Bella Bellz, and Sheena Shaw. No regrets

MY MAN

 

[Ferrio]

This article acts like all porn is the same, when in reality we are currently experiencing a kind of porn golden age where there is porn for pretty much whatever you're into, whether that's hate fucking, sensual love making or anything in between.

 

[ryseing]

FSOG is aimed at women.

But yeah, let's use that as an example of how men are becoming more depraved.

 

[Fenderputty]

You could be right. My only experience with classic porn are the clips shown on Daves Old Porn on Shotime, and compared to todays stuff thats tame. Also, I'm pretty sure stuff like prolapse and speculum porn didn't exist in the 80's.

Early porn didn't explore every fetish? Standard hardcore hasn't changed much. There's just more fetich stuff available now. BBW as an example of something non violent.

Debbie does Dallas was about highschool girls. Older vanilla porn tried to incorporate a story more. That's about it.

 

[Tesseract]

cock worshippers are always 10/10, somehow they're nature's master fetishists

 

[vas_a_morir]

What does a woman sound like?

Funny you would say that about an author who obviously doesn't know the first thing about women. Sounds like a preacher!

We're reeelin' em in!

 

[True Savior]

I watch porn since i was 10. I am nothing but a true gentleman on bed. And extremely courteous to women.

 

[TheOGB]

the shaved pubic regions—which cater to porn’s pedophilia—

what

Who is more submissive than children? The inevitable route of all porn is child porn.

wwwwwwhat

Man, I don't disagree that porn is super fucked up, but that seems like a hell of a leap there

 

[subrock]

Author sounds like he is into some pretty abusive porn. I like the stuff where people seem to be enjoying themselves, but that being said, a lot of commercial porn doesn't appeal to me.

 

[NaughtyCalibur]

I was willing to listen to the arguments presented in the OP until I got to the part about porn being a slippery slope into child porn.

Ehhhhhhhhh

I don't think so, Tim.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

This article acts like all porn is the same, when in reality we are currently experiencing a kind of porn golden age where there is porn for pretty much whatever you're into, whether that's hate fucking, sensual love making or anything in between.

Which I think is actually a source of comfort for young people exploring their sexuality as well. I imagine finding out a niche kink you've fantasized about is something enjoyed by thousands of others and not just yourself can help during a time when you're really insecure about yourself.

There is merit to talk of desensitization and the effects that might have, but I think the picture is a lot more nuanced than this article painted it.

 

[Darklord]

what

wwwwwwhat

Man, I don't disagree that porn is super fucked up, but that seems like a hell of a leap there

To be that sounds like some classic self-projection shit.

 

[MattyG]

what

wwwwwwhat

Man, I don't disagree that porn is super fucked up, but that seems like a hell of a leap there

Wait, you think that ALL porn is super fucked up, or just certain porn?

As for what you quoted

Holy shit.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

If this was true then everyone would be into child porn.

What a fucking idiot.

 

[SubtleTea]

Something that's never mentioned is that the largest porn market is female marketed erotica, no male oriented piece of porn has sold as well as fifty shades of grey.

 

[Ricky Ricardo]

Sex shaming. One of the great contributions of organized religion.

Christian Nymphos

Come again?

 

[Bubbavelli]

So wouldnt the current proliferation of webcam shows basically refute this since it is all the smut but without the "fake" elelments such as unrealistic bodies, damaging stereotypes, etc? its basically a virtual peepshow.


PS: hbo porn is fucking weird. My friend and i were channel surfing one night and we stumbled upon this. It was a group of girls with huge plastic titties having actual sex with a realistic doll. All of it was shown which is odd considering b/g or g/g scenes use obstructive camera angles to hide the actual sex.

 

[HolyBaikal]

While I know that some people mean violence in a playful way. Like playing Smash Bros. or something like that. Or that friends enjoy "banter" together. And that BDSM is often consensual. It really disturbs me.

I feel like BDSM fantasies don't come from a vacuum. And send harmful gender messages.

Like, the majority of pornography is maledom. And I love anime because it's often cute and happy and heartwarming. Cuteness and kindness of two of my three favourite things in love. So that's why I love anime.

But I stay far away from eroge and most visual novels because sexualizing violence is the opposite of cute and kind and happy. It normalizes violent feelings and fantasies that don't come from empathy. And it promotes the idea that women's sexuality is subservient and that women are supposed to be "pure" or not as sexual or sexually assertive as men.

And the BDSM community normalizes maledom and femsub and shames femdom and malesub. I think that's horrifying. All of the worst gender roles in the world are reflected in BDSM.

I'm a kink critical radical feminist, because I think that things like this are awful.

I think all of this is painful to think about. And I wish I didn't know about it. I want to live in an innocent world without the horrors of rape. In a world that women aren't expected to be submissive. In a world where cruelty and violence aren't sexualized. Where most people want to express their sexuality in an empathetic way.

 

[Zombine]

While I know that some people mean violence in a playful way. Like playing Smash Bros. or something like that. Or that friends enjoy "banter" together. And that BDSM is often consensual. It really disturbs me.

I feel like BDSM fantasies don't come from a vacuum. And send harmful gender messages.

Like, the majority of pornography is maledom. And I love anime because it's often cute and happy and heartwarming. Cuteness and kindness of two of my three favourite things in love. So that's why I love anime.

But I stay far away from eroge and most visual novels because sexualizing violence is the opposite of cute and kind and happy. It normalizes violent feelings and fantasies that don't come from empathy. And it promotes the idea that women's sexuality is subservient and that women are supposed to be "pure" or not as sexual or sexually assertive as men.

And the BDSM community normalizes maledom and femsub and shames femdom and malesub. I think that's horrifying. All of the worst gender roles in the world are reflected in BDSM.

I'm a kink critical radical feminist, because I think that things like this are awful.

I think all of this is painful to think about. And I wish I didn't know about it. I want to live in an innocent world without the horrors of rape. In a world that women aren't expected to be submissive. In a world where cruelty and violence aren't sexualized. Where most people want to express their sexuality in an empathetic way.

Yeah this is bullshit. I think there was even a thread you made where you said the same things and got shut down. BDSM is about trust.

Also, sex isn't icky and women don't need "femenists" to tell them what kinks are appropriate for them. Let consenting adults do what makes them happy.

 

[Uncle_Classy]

A simple solution to this is to not watch shit studio porn. Or at least go for the more erotic variety of studio porn and less the "gag on my cock", violent studio porn.

 

[Brakke]

Something that's never mentioned is that the largest porn market is female marketed erotica, no male oriented piece of porn has sold as well as fifty shades of grey.

How do you figure this one? Fifty Shades is an example of a specific artifact ("piece") being wildly popular, sure. Is there really more money in female-marketed erotica as an industry than male-marketed porn video as an industry?

Also how do you figure the success of Fifty Shades is "never mentioned" lol it's in the entire news cycle right now.

 

[HolyBaikal]

Trust is a part of BDSM. And most of it is consensual.

But that doesn't mean it's the only part. And that there aren't bad parts.
Why would you want to call someone sexual or racial slurs in the bedroom if you love them?

Is roleplaying with your black girlfriend as a slave on a plantation really just harmless and doesn't mean anything more? And doesn't reflect internalized misogyny and racism?

 

[Laekon]

With this logic, you can argue that reason women initiate divorce with their husbands is due to "problematic" romance novels and romantic movies that screw with their perceptions of what a man should be. Don Jon film, yadda yadda


This entire idea that entertainment creates people and not vice versa is unverifiable, poorly argued and often grasps at straws.

So porn had nothing to do with fully shaved becoming the norm? With teenage girls feeling like they have to share naked pictures of themselves? Look at the rise in anal sex. Sure all these things happened in the past but now they are considered normal. I think you're more likely to be the one grasping at straws thinking people don't develop behaviors based on media.

 

[-COOLIO-]

I feel like BDSM fantasies don't come from a vacuum.

i don't think you need to read that far into it. a lot of people fetishize certain things precisely because they're taboo, and that's all.

some people are into licking feet because they're suppose to be the "dirty" part of our bodies. that's also part of the appeal of anal.

some people are into being really submissive because it goes against how their christian upbringing demonized sex. being naughty and wanting sex is supposedly sinful.

etc etc.

 

[Ferrio]

Is roleplaying with your black girlfriend as a slave on a plantation really just harmless and doesn't mean anything more?

What kinda porn are you watching...?

 

[perfectchaos007]

So porn had nothing to do with fully shaved becoming the norm? With teenage girls feeling like they have to share naked pictures of themselves? Look at the rise in anal sex. Sure all these things happened in the past but now they are considered normal. I think you're more likely to be the one grasping at straws thinking people don't develop behaviors based on media.

Well, if cellphones were invented in the 50's, we would have seen that trend spark up a lot sooner.

 

[Shake Appeal]

I'm a kink critical radical feminist, because I think that things like this are awful.

I think all of this is painful to think about. And I wish I didn't know about it. I want to live in an innocent world without the horrors of rape. In a world that women aren't expected to be submissive. In a world where cruelty and violence aren't sexualized. Where most people want to express their sexuality in an empathetic way.

Well now I'm going to have to play devil's advocate in the other direction and say that your understanding of BDSM seems patchy at best. No doubt there are ways it can be abused and distorted, and no doubt it has negative outcomes for many. But I think two or more people who have made the effort to understand one another's preferences can come together and act out those preferences in a trusting environment in a way that is cathartic and pleasurable for all concerned.

Conflating rape and BDSM is a real mistake. Of course rape can occur at any time between any two people when consent is not obtained and people's sexual agency is not respected. But BDSM practitioners go to greater lengths to guarantee those things than most people.

 

[Zombine]

What kinda porn are you watching...?

Django Unchained Cocks vol 2

 

[SubtleTea]

How do you figure this one? Fifty Shades is an example of a specific artifact ("piece") being wildly popular, sure. Is there really more money in female-marketed erotica as an industry than male-marketed porn video as an industry?

Sorry maybe a better phrasing would be a larger potential audience, it shows that there are 60 million people (the amount of sales fifty shades of grey has) willing to purchase female oriented erotica, no male oriented piece of porn has sold higher so logically there is a lower sales cap for male oriented porn.

 

[-COOLIO-]

Trust is a part of BDSM. And most of it is consensual.

But that doesn't mean it's the only part. And that there aren't bad parts.
Why would you want to call someone sexual or racial slurs in the bedroom if you love them?

Is roleplaying with your black girlfriend as a slave on a plantation really just harmless and doesn't mean anything more? And doesn't reflect internalized misogyny and racism?

precisely because it's kind of fucked up, it's naughty. there's something about sex and naughtiness that works like peanut butter and jelly.

 

[Brakke]

Well now I'm going to have to play devil's advocate [...]

Nobody ever has to play Devil's Advocate. Just say sincere things.

 

[Orbis Tabula]

My biggest regret will be leaving Longfellow out of all this fun. Him and E. E. Cummings just don't quite have the material I'm looking for.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

Yeah this is bullshit. I think there was even a thread you made where you said the same things and got shut down.

I remember that, it wasn't very coherent...

 

[esms]

While I know that some people mean violence in a playful way. Like playing Smash Bros. or something like that. Or that friends enjoy "banter" together. And that BDSM is often consensual. It really disturbs me.

I feel like BDSM fantasies don't come from a vacuum. And send harmful gender messages.

Like, the majority of pornography is maledom. And I love anime because it's often cute and happy and heartwarming. Cuteness and kindness of two of my three favourite things in love. So that's why I love anime.

But I stay far away from eroge and most visual novels because sexualizing violence is the opposite of cute and kind and happy. It normalizes violent feelings and fantasies that don't come from empathy. And it promotes the idea that women's sexuality is subservient and that women are supposed to be "pure" or not as sexual or sexually assertive as men.

And the BDSM community normalizes maledom and femsub and shames femdom and malesub. I think that's horrifying. All of the worst gender roles in the world are reflected in BDSM.

I'm a kink critical radical feminist, because I think that things like this are awful.

I think all of this is painful to think about. And I wish I didn't know about it. I want to live in an innocent world without the horrors of rape. In a world that women aren't expected to be submissive. In a world where cruelty and violence aren't sexualized. Where most people want to express their sexuality in an empathetic way.

My GF has kind of a rapey fantasy. Are you saying if I oblige her, my views on gender politics suddenly revert to 100 years ago?

Just because I fuck her how she wants, doesn't mean I think all women should be submissive.

 

[Shake Appeal]

Is roleplaying with your black girlfriend as a slave on a plantation really just harmless and doesn't mean anything more? And doesn't reflect internalized misogyny and racism?

This is an extreme example, but I'll bite. I think it absolutely reflects internalized misogyny and racism (because those things are hard not to internalize when you grow up and live in societies that condone and even encourage them). But I also think if the "roleplaying" is absolutely and unequivocally understood as roleplaying by both partners, then it might actually be a cleansing and expository experience of misogyny and racism, not to mention something sexually gratifying as taboo.

As long as they're thinking critically about what they've exploring, and try to be good people outside of the bedroom, I'm fine with consenting adults going to dark, dark places. I would suspect that interracial couples who fuck with this shit are by and large more open-minded and less racist than is usual.

 

[Into]

So porn had nothing to do with fully shaved becoming the norm? With teenage girls feeling like they have to share naked pictures of themselves? Look at the rise in anal sex. Sure all these things happened in the past but now they are considered normal. I think you're more likely to be the one grasping at straws thinking people don't develop behaviors based on media.

Trying to build a bridge between people shaving, anal sex with developing negative behaviors is the definition of grasping at straws. So there you go.

Men growing longer hair in the 60s was not some sort of proof that the hysteria and negativity surrounding The Beatles was proof that they corrupted the youth.

 

[-COOLIO-]

Nobody ever has to play Devil's Advocate. Just say sincere things.

you play DA when you're aware of an opposing view that you don't necessarily agree with that the party you're addressing should be made aware of. it's a way of getting people to express their most salient points; the parts that add to the discussion in a unique way.

 

[Zombine]

I remember that, it wasn't very coherent...

It's legit almost copy and paste from that thread.

 

[Blargonaut]

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a BangBus.

Thank you for doing good work

I have no reason to be in this thread now

 

[Brakke]

Sorry maybe a better phrasing would be a larger potential audience, it shows that there are 60 million people (the amount of sales fifty shades of grey has) willing to purchase female oriented erotica, no male oriented piece of porn has sold higher so logically there is a lower sales cap for male oriented porn.

Not necessarily it doesn't. The character of consumption of the one is probably different than the other.

I guarantee there are more than 60 million people who have purchased (or viewed ads on) male-oriented porn films in the time since Fifty Shades released.