Good Guy Gone Bad
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I hope this doesn't mean that they're not doing FFXII HD.
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Hexadrive will also be developing Final Fantasy XV
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What an odd opinion
Backfoggen
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Hexadrive pls get that muddy look off the game.
A 4k framebuffer with 4xMSAA on top wouldn't even fit into the PS3 vRAM, unless they're using tiling.
thelastword
Banned
Now this is good news. Hexadrive deserves all the work and accolades that team gets. Still waiting for FFXII
If I'm reading that correctly they are saying that at 480p they use 32x anti aliasing which exceeds 4xMSAA provided by the hardware.
At 720p they use 8x antialiasing.
And the last sentence is saying that if you don't have a 1080p TV then you still will have a good image.
borborygmus
Member
Good, the game in its current state just screams for anisotropic filtering among other things.
Hexadrive worked on some battle mechanics on bayonetta 2 besides the wonderful 101.
But they didn't "build" Zelda wind Waker HD. EAD coded wind Waker HD, but outsource the textures to imagica digitalscape which Hexadrive was a technical liaison.
Spiritwalker
Member
Why? I don't think they've done a particularly great job with the remasters.
...... which one have they not done a good job on?
ULTROS!
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Try comparing the quality of the remasters to those developed by the others. Bluepoint Games is the only comparable one but then again, the quality achieved by Hexadrive is higher.
Otaku Coder
Neo Member
Type-0 HD was completely ruined for me by that motion blur on the camera, but that's more of a bad design decision than a strike against anyone's technical prowess.
Seven Force
Banned
Aside from Bluepoint, they've probably done the most technically impressive HD remasters, though.
Oh um haha. Yeah. It says that they they use 32x antialiasing which exceeds 4xMSAA that the PS3 hardware provides.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKh1x0c7ReQ
Seriously. I can't believe anyone in SE thought this was fine in the final product. I immediately felt dizzy spinning the camera for 3 seconds.
sixteen-bit
Member
They did a great job with Rez HD
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
Interesting. This should be good help for the XV team.
SerTapTap
Member
The muddy look is the subnative res, I'm sure that's high priory.
No motion blur pls
SniperHunter
Banned
Sounds great
thunder_snail
Member
They are godly at up-porting. Since XV was originally a ps3 game, I'm guessing Hexadrive is helping SE port stuff that were already done for ps3 to ps4.
From the Famitsu interview, provided by @VSXIII:
Tabata reveals that, even before Type-0 HD, members of Hexadrive had already been cooperating with Square Enix on a RPG for next generation consoles. This title turned out to be FINAL FANTASY XV.
Timing-wise, Hexadrive have been involved since XV's development still operated on the Ebony engine (before integration with the Luminous Studio engine was completed). More specifically, the start of this collaboration would have been a little while before the E3 2013 reveal as XV (from the former name Versus XIII).
Hexadrive's knowledge of HD development gave Tabata the confidence to entrust them with Type-0.
Long story short, Tabata makes it sound as though Hexadrive largely taught SE how to develop HD games (this is an interview where the Hexadrive CEO is present, so I don't think it sounds more important than it actually is). The original KH-style game play for Final Fantasy Versus XIII turned out to be difficult to achieve, so the game's form has changed.
Naora and Tabata reveal that SE and members of Hexadrive went to an actual cave in Chiba Prefecture (next to Tokyo), collected data, and used them as reference for creating the cave in Episode Duscae.
Matsushita says that Type-0 HD was a very easy collaboration with Square Enix. SE worked largely on the 3D graphics (including character models in cutscenes, I presume), and Hexadrive worked mostly on 2D graphics (UI, icons, making the forests on the world map look fuller, etc.), and the lip sync.
Source: http://www.mognetcentral.com/threads/final-fantasy-xv-general-news-thread.3288/page-35#post-21900
Tabata reveals that, even before Type-0 HD, members of Hexadrive had already been cooperating with Square Enix on a RPG for next generation consoles. This title turned out to be FINAL FANTASY XV.
Timing-wise, Hexadrive have been involved since XV's development still operated on the Ebony engine (before integration with the Luminous Studio engine was completed). More specifically, the start of this collaboration would have been a little while before the E3 2013 reveal as XV (from the former name Versus XIII).
Hexadrive's knowledge of HD development gave Tabata the confidence to entrust them with Type-0.
Long story short, Tabata makes it sound as though Hexadrive largely taught SE how to develop HD games (this is an interview where the Hexadrive CEO is present, so I don't think it sounds more important than it actually is). The original KH-style game play for Final Fantasy Versus XIII turned out to be difficult to achieve, so the game's form has changed.
Naora and Tabata reveal that SE and members of Hexadrive went to an actual cave in Chiba Prefecture (next to Tokyo), collected data, and used them as reference for creating the cave in Episode Duscae.
Matsushita says that Type-0 HD was a very easy collaboration with Square Enix. SE worked largely on the 3D graphics (including character models in cutscenes, I presume), and Hexadrive worked mostly on 2D graphics (UI, icons, making the forests on the world map look fuller, etc.), and the lip sync.
Source: http://www.mognetcentral.com/threads/final-fantasy-xv-general-news-thread.3288/page-35#post-21900
Synless
Member
Great graphics for a psp game too.
DirgeExtinction
Member
Nice to see they finally admitted this.
DarkLordMalik
Member
Yeh. Hopefully everyone shuts up about it now.
xxdoshiyarovexx
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So sad that tech from the ps2 is 'hard to achieve' on ps4 :/
dragonzdogma
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plutoknight
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Guys, the motion blur in Type-0 only exists to HIDE the muddy textures.
It won't be in FFXV.
It won't be in FFXV.
threelights
Member
I find weird how SE is trying to show everyone helping them =P
First XPEC, now Hexadrive. I guess it's a good thing though, specially since Hexadrive already proved themselves multiple times to be fantastic people.
First XPEC, now Hexadrive. I guess it's a good thing though, specially since Hexadrive already proved themselves multiple times to be fantastic people.
Flying Toaster
Member
Perhaps it is to show people they are working on it, and they are serious about getting it out in a timely fashion.
Edit: I am not suggesting they are slow, or incompetent. I think it is awesome they are being more open about the development process.
Links_fantasy
Junior Member
The more help the better, I really liked the demo but it did have issues that need to be fixed. I wonder if Tri Ace could help now that they were brought out by another company? Because they helped with the FF XIII games.
This sounds like a bit of a mistranslation. The quote from Siliconera:
This is refering to they way the develop their games. Workflow, team structure, etc. This was actually a major issue throughout the entire company and was covered extensively in "Final Fantasy XIV: Behind A Realm Reborn". The TLDR version is that Square acheived great success with the way they developed games all the way to the PS2 generation. Yoshida described their developers like old Japanese sword blacksmiths that spent a long time pouring care into hand crafting each blade. This type of development doesn't scale well when you need to develop a large scale of assets. The transition to HD game development is like the transition to mass production in the industrial revolution. Their old ways just didn't work anymore.
That's what wasn't feasible; the old way of developing games. Not what they wanted to develop.
threelights
Member
Hmm... I don't know, I mean, the sheer volume of info we got on the last few months (plus a pretty good demo) would be able to show anyone that.
They've also been a little keen on saying they want more outsiders working with them (Comic Fiesta last year, and then with XPEC, saying how they were taking help from outside, etc.)
I don't quite understand the reason, but I don't think it's because they want to show the game is actually coming out... It's neat that they're doing this though.
Maybe they want people always talking about the game without actually showing the game itself? =P
AgentOtaku
Member
Dont know about the second part but def agree on the first (^____^)
Makoto Yuki
Banned
Boo!
I wanted that game play so badly...
Apparently only the PS2 could apparently achieve KH-style game play... I guess those HD remakes on the PS3 didn't count.
Oh well, FFXV is shaping up to be something spectacular.
Hawaii Jeff
Member
Yeah I was hoping Hexadrive would be currently working on FF12-HD....
Death Penalty
Member
Thank you for the clarification, this makes a lot more sense and sounds more like something they'd point out.
Not tech. Versus' original vision would have never been doable on PS3. I think they mean the gameplay, like character switching for example, which would be practically impossible to do in a reasonable timeframe with the quality of animation they're aiming for if they had to create unique animations for every combination of character and enemy when parrying and countering, plus creating 4 different, balanced gameplay styles and interesting mechanics for them comparable to Noctis.
Also interactive cutscenes would always have to have 4 different point of views and outcomes if you should be able to always control any character you want all the time. Way too many possible combinations.
It's easier for them to focus on one character as the center and design all the party interaction and events around him to make everything more balanced and tighter. Also there's a story reason why Noctis is the most special one in battles.
Too bad it also hides everything else and gives some people motion sickness. I'll tolerate a few blurry textures if it means I don't constantly feel like im straining my eyes.
JuanLatino
Member
Well i guess then Bluepoint are the chosen ones for the FF XII Remaster
Motion blur will be a thing in FFXV if you like having 5 fps.
firebranded
Member
Think they released this info to let people know they have the IQ and stuff handled, not that they ever had a problem with them on a finished product before.