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[funkystudent]

1th party has nothing for the rest of the year.
3rd party relations cant secure any exclusives because they cost too much.
3rd party productions cant port a 5 year old fighting game without cocking it up.


Sony really firing on all cylinders right now


Fingers crossed No Man's Sky lives up to the astronomical hype then.

 

[casiopao]

Scary thing is they might still have the most 1st party console releases this year out of the big 3. At least they're being upfront about it, guessing their E3 show isnt going to be as exciting as people are hoping for.

Ehhh? Ninty in this Q1 just released at least 3 games though. Not to mention closely coming Splatoon. Fatal Frame and Xenoblade is also coming this year. I can't see how Sony is going to be the one getting most title released here.

 

[The Albatross]

So 2014 and 2015 were "the beginning of harvest periods" for the console... Really hope that doesn't become a new expression justifying a dearth of games.

 

[Gambit 1138]

They should have anticipated this. They knew uncharted hit a major speed bump and drive club wasn't coming along almost 2 years ago.

Maybe by relying on third party they will actually lock in a 3rd party exclusive or work a deal with activision to co-make a crash bandicoot game or something.

 

[darkside31337]

Ehhh? Ninty in this Q1 just released at least 3 games though. Not to mention closely coming Splatoon. Fatal Frame and Xenoblade is also coming this year. I can't see how Sony is going to be the one getting most title released here.

Its 3 releases to 3 so far this year - MLB, The Order, Bloodborne and Mario Party, Kirby, Splatoon. Counting Fatal Frame seems bizarre, not sure why you would count that and not something like Persona or Dragon Quest Heroes - all these titles are exclusive its just not being published by Sony.

If Persona doesnt make out here this year though I will be quite bummed.

 

[Zukkoyaki]

Uncharted 4 and R&C being delayed into spring 2016 definetly hurt their first party holiday lineup. There's no doubt about it. Their first party output would been pretty good for the year if things went according to plan with The Order and Bloodborne in spring, Tearaway and Until Dawn in summer and U4 and R&C during the holidays + lots of indies in between.
But things can't go always as expected.

You're really hitting the nail on the head. It isn't like Sony was coming into 2015 with no intention of releasing anything significant. I feel like many are assuming this is the case and they're just being complacent. Their two biggest games, Uncharted and Ratchet, got delayed. It sucks but it's the reality of the industry we follow.

All we can do is try to enjoy the numerous options we'll still have the rest of this year and look forward to the monumental Q1/2 that awaits us next year.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Before I ask this question let me State I don't care ether way.

If people complain about MS not really releasing a lot during the last 6 months, what's the difference between MS coasting on 3rd party games. In the last 6 month we have had MKX, Witcher 3, BF: Hardline etc.. Some people are saying that Sony doesn't need to put out so many games because their is enough to play at the end of the year. Well can't someone who owns a Xbox One only say that at this time of the year.

Because Sony has tons more third parties under their belt than MS does. Your not just going to play Witcher, BF hardline and batman until November are you?

Western third parties are just one part of the puzzle

 

[myharlequin]

If this thread is about Sony telling that they dont have games this year, why people in the last pages are bullshiting Microsoft? and Xbox? I do not understand.

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

So...
P5 in 2016? I'm fine with it
Edit: Wordz

 

[GnawtyDog]

If this thread is about Sony telling that they dont have games this year, why people in the last pages are bullshiting Microsoft? and Xbox? I do not understand.

This thread is about a PR cockup by SCE top executive. Turning into a console war battleground about list wars was expected.

 

[On Demand]

Before I ask this question let me State I don't care ether way.

If people complain about MS not really releasing a lot during the last 6 months, what's the difference between MS coasting on 3rd party games. In the last 6 month we have had MKX, Witcher 3, BF: Hardline etc.. Some people are saying that Sony doesn't need to put out so many games because their is enough to play at the end of the year. Well can't someone who owns a Xbox One only say that at this time of the year.

People act like 3rd party games don't exist only first party. If that's the case WTF are XB1 owners playing during non holiday months compared to PS4's continuous output?

That's how the argument came to be.

 

[NoMoChokeSJ]

These threads are so predictable. List wars, point out deficiencies of competing console, and somebody puts Sony up on a pedastal as the moral company of the year. Clockwork...

So what if the PS4 is lacking in 1st party support this year. Didn't any of you guys own a PS3 during launch? I think my PS3 was a dedicated blu ray player for the first two years I owned it. Sony will have the support, development takes time.

 

[The Albatross]

If this thread is about Sony telling that they dont have games this year, why people in the last pages are bullshiting Microsoft? and Xbox? I do not understand.

Console warriors.

Sony reveals some disappointment in 1st party offerings for 2015.
"lol how can Microsoft fan boys criticize Sony for not having games!?"

The console battlefield is a wasteland of head scratching self assurance and echo Chamber.

 

[casiopao]

Its 3 releases to 3 so far this year - MLB, The Order, Bloodborne and Mario Party, Kirby, Splatoon. Counting Fatal Frame seems bizarre, not sure why you would count that and not something like Persona or Dragon Quest Heroes - all these titles are exclusive its just not being published by Sony.

If Persona doesnt make out here this year though I will be quite bummed.

FF count because Ninty own some part of the franchise as their own? It is more or less second party kind of title for Ninty. Even Miyamoto showed during Koei streamed on this game.^_^

Right now yes. It is 3 vs 3 but, Yoshi Wooly World, Devil Third, Fatal Frame, Xenoblade, Project Robot and of course Starfox is already more than what Sony planned.

Persona is not count simply because it is not exclusive PS4 and of course also not playstation exclusive IP. I mean, we just Persona Q recently and DQ8 is still coming to 3DS.

Edit: forget that Mario Maker is also coming soon this year lol.^_^

 

[rrc1594]

Because Sony has tons more third parties under their belt than MS does. Your not just going to play Witcher, BF hardline and batman until November are you?

Western third parties are just one part of the puzzle

I'm just talking about the games they publish. I just think it's kind of Hypocritical to say it's okay for Sony to coast through Fall-Winter, but MS can't coast through Spring-Summer

 

[border]

This thread is about a PR cockup by SCE top executive. Turning into a console war battleground about list wars was expected.

Yeah, I'm kind of aghast to see that any first party executive would describe their release lineup as "sparse". Nintendo has had some pretty awful years, but you never see Reggie saying "Oh we don't have much to offer so we're relying on 3rd parties to fill the gap."

 

[GnawtyDog]

I'm just talking about the games they publish. I just think it's kind of Hypocritical to say it's okay for Sony to coast through Fall-Winter, but MS can't coast through Spring-Summer

Numerically, the number of months don't equal. But damn that's some imagination for equivalence right there.

 

[GnawtyDog]

Yeah, I'm kind of aghast to see that any first party executive would describe their release lineup as "sparse". Nintendo has had some pretty awful years, but you never see Reggie saying "Oh we don't have much to offer so we're relying on 3rd parties to fill the gap."

Just House forgetting there is still a war going on - even if the numbers he sees tells him it's over. The PR battle however, it's far from over. He should know better.... a lesson to be learned (more like a reminder). Hopefully someone lets him know he caused an uproar on Gaf, and the media salivating at those free clicks will make sure everyone knows - that's their job mind you.

 

[loaf of bread]

Before I ask this question let me State I don't care ether way.

If people complain about MS not really releasing a lot during the last 6 months, what's the difference between MS coasting on 3rd party games. In the last 6 month we have had MKX, Witcher 3, BF: Hardline etc.. Some people are saying that Sony doesn't need to put out so many games because their is enough to play at the end of the year. Well can't someone who owns a Xbox One only say that at this time of the year.

Because the first half of the year is slow and has steady releases and gaps that need to be filled by first party games

On the other hand, in the fall you have a massive clusterfuck of hundreds of games coming out constantly to the point that on an individual day you can have over 3 major releases at once. So many games get released then that by releasing your first party games then, you end up making people choose and miss out on them or others because theres too much coming out.

In simple terms, in a spring/summer month a PS4 gamer may possibly have 1 big game to play from the first party, while XB1 has nothing

Compared to in a fall/winter month an XB1 gamer gets 21 games to possibly play, but a PS4 gamer still has 18 games to possibly play.

 

[rrc1594]

Numerically, the number of months don't equal. But damn that's some imagination for equivalence right there.

lol i was just throwing out season I couldn't tell you when summer starts or ends really

 

[MrMatt555]

Just House forgetting there is still a war going on - even if the numbers he sees tells him it's over. The PR battle however, it's far from over. He should know better.... a lesson to be learned. Hopefully someone lets him know he caused an uproar on Gaf, and the media salivating at those free clicks.

Yup.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

I'm just talking about the games they publish. I just think it's kind of Hypocritical to say it's okay for Sony to coast through Fall-Winter, but MS can't coast through Spring-Summer

I don't think getting deals with 3rd parties is coasting. Also, releasing 1st party exclusives in close proximity to a huge wave of AAA 3rd party games is ill-advised, don't you think?

 

[darkside31337]

FF count because Ninty own some part of the franchise as their own? It is more or less second party kind of title for Ninty. Even Miyamoto showed during Koei streamed on this game.^_^

Right now yes. It is 3 vs 3 but, Yoshi Wooly World, Devil Third, Fatal Frame, Xenoblade, Project Robot and of course Starfox is already more than what Sony planned.

Persona is not count simply because it is not exclusive PS4 and of course also not playstation exclusive IP. I mean, we just Persona Q recently and DQ8 is still coming to 3DS.

Don't get me wrong. Sony's output this year is garbage. My point was nobody else was really any better, this is basically the new norm. Nintendo might have a couple more retail titles this year but its not really all that impressive of a list either when you compare it to their previous years even on the Wii U. And Microsoft isn't anywhere close to what Nintendo is doing this year. Obviously things can (and hopefully will) change at E3 of course.

That 3rd party support line he was talking about seems to just get glossed over but there are some actual third party games coming out on Sony consoles that aren't coming out elsewhere that I want to play this year like DQH, Disgaea 5, P5. None of these really matter at all in terms of sales but they're still there. I'll buy them even if few other folks care or will.

 

[border]

Numerically, the number of months don't equal. But damn that's some imagination for equivalence right there.

To be fair, everyone is coasting through summer though.

 

[TomShoe]

Don't get me wrong. Sony's output this year is garbage.

I'm assuming you're talking about 1st party games only.

 

[benny_a]

I'm assuming you're talking about 1st party games only.

What else would Sony's output be?

 

[border]

On the other hand, in the fall you have a massive clusterfuck of hundreds of games coming out constantly to the point that on an individual day you can have over 3 major releases at once. So many games get released then that by releasing your first party games then, you end up making people choose and miss out on them or others because theres too much coming out.

Compared to in a fall/winter month an XB1 gamer gets 21 games to possibly play, but a PS4 gamer still has 18 games to possibly play.

If The Order or Uncharted 4 were actually released in November or December, would anyone actually be criticizing though? People posting in this thread are saying that Persona 5 is a feather in the PS4's cap, rather than saying that it will inevitably be overshadowed by 101 AAA Christmas games.

People forget that the holes in Sony's lineup are not the result of some grand strategy that revolves around a year-long release schedule. They are simply the unfortunate result of production delays.

 

[casiopao]

Don't get me wrong. Sony's output this year is garbage. My point was nobody else was really any better, this is basically the new norm. Nintendo might have a couple more retail titles this year but its not really all that impressive of a list either when you compare it to their previous years even on the Wii U. And Microsoft isn't anywhere close to what Nintendo is doing this year. Obviously things can (and hopefully will) change at E3 of course.

That 3rd party support line he was talking about seems to just get glossed over but there are some actual third party games coming out on Sony consoles that aren't coming out elsewhere that I want to play this year like DQH, Disgaea 5, P5. None of these really matter at all in terms of sales but they're still there. I'll buy them even if few other folks care or will.

I agree with u but I feel for Wii U here, it is a bit difficult to achieve last year hype though. Last year we had Mario Kart and Smash Bros. 2 juggernaut release for Wii U which make it teribbly difficult to achieve the same quality of release but If u are a Nintendo fan, their release this year is not bad at all just not as hyped as last year I think.

While Sony first party is truly terrible which for me is sad as I like when Sony can give us Folklore or MAG but the current one, remastered and of course Order is not what I hoped from them. Tx god for their 3rd party supporting them though.^_^ I can't wait for DQ heroes here.

In the end, I believe Ninty own output this year is much better than Sony itself but PS4 is surely much better for broader kind of fans as third party is going to keep supporting the console while Wii U is only for small niche people who love quirky Japanese title and of course Ninty own title.

 

[GnawtyDog]

What else would Sony's output be?

Exclusives? Sony money, Sony output.

 

[kunonabi]

FF count because Ninty own some part of the franchise as their own? It is more or less second party kind of title for Ninty. Even Miyamoto showed during Koei streamed on this game.^_^

Right now yes. It is 3 vs 3 but, Yoshi Wooly World, Devil Third, Fatal Frame, Xenoblade, Project Robot and of course Starfox is already more than what Sony planned.

Persona is not count simply because it is not exclusive PS4 and of course also not playstation exclusive IP. I mean, we just Persona Q recently and DQ8 is still coming to 3DS.

Edit: forget that Mario Maker is also coming soon this year lol.^_^

There was also Tipping Stars this year.

 

[On Demand]

Just House forgetting there is still a war going on - even if the numbers he sees tells him it's over. The PR battle however, it's far from over. He should know better.... a lesson to be learned (more like a reminder). Hopefully someone lets him know he caused an uproar on Gaf, and the media salivating at those free clicks will make sure everyone knows - that's their job mind you.

And this is where MS outclasses Sony. They have a masterful PR department.

They made people believe in pre season.

 

[GnawtyDog]

And this is where MS outclasses Sony. They have a masterful PR department.

They made people believe in pre season.

Well, they completely retooled and have controlled their message masterfully after the launch disaster. Credit where credit is due to those getting paid to control it and craft it.

Maybe Sony should hire better hounds? Keep their execs on point and on the leash.

 

[darkside31337]

I'm assuming you're talking about 1st party games only.

Yes. The rest of the post kind of details that. Theres plenty of stuff to play on the PS4 thanks to third parties. As is the case with the XB1.

I just wish emphasis on 3rd party support meant something other than exclusive DLC costumes in Battlefront and a couple extra cars in NFS.

Emphasis on 3rd party support should be making sure ports you work on with third party developers don't get shelved off to garbage developers who make a garbage product. Or helping localize games that don't make it over here.

 

[MrMatt555]

Well, they completely retooled and have controlled their message masterfully after the launch disaster. Credit where credit is due to those getting paid to control it and craft it.

Maybe Sony should hire better hounds? Keep their execs on point and on the leash.

MS just can't get praise can they?

 

[casiopao]

There was also Tipping Stars this year.

I don't think Tipping Star got any retail release right? Or I am tipping here lol.^_^

 

[dragonfart28]

I'm sure they'll have a solid first party holiday lineup.

They kinda have to, otherwise they don't have anything to differentiate them from PCs.

 

[GnawtyDog]

Yes. The rest of the post kind of details that. Theres plenty of stuff to play on the PS4 thanks to third parties. As is the case with the XB1.

I just wish emphasis on 3rd party support meant something other than exclusive DLC costumes in Battlefront and a couple extra cars in NFS.

Emphasis on 3rd party support should be making sure ports you work on with third party developers don't get shelved off to garbage developers who make a garbage product. Or helping localize games that don't make it over here.

Third party support = Bloodborne and a bunch of other exclusives that go out the windows when "strictly" first party talk is discussed. People just gotta be consistent with the term. It's NOT just DLC - but actual games.

 

[Salty Hippo]

I'm sure they'll have a solid first party holiday lineup.

They kinda have to, otherwise they don't have anything to differentiate them from PCs.

Unfortunately most people don't care about that.

 

[GnawtyDog]

MS just can't get praise can they?

Well, marketing (message) and perception (also influenced by message) is one thing. The list war argument is another.

 

[LiquidSolid]

Uncharted 4 and R&C being delayed into spring 2016 definetly hurt their first party holiday lineup. There's no doubt about it. Their first party output would been pretty good for the year if things went according to plan with The Order and Bloodborne in spring, Tearaway and Until Dawn in summer and U4 and R&C during the holidays + lots of indies in between.
But things can't go always as expected.
Still there are lots of games to play including a few big japanese exclusives like Persona 5 and Dragon Quest Heroes and a couple of big indies like Rime and No Man's Sky.
As Andrew House said they'll focus on third parties games this year with different partnerships at different levels (full exclusives, exclusive contents, exclusive bundles/marketing).
The biggest game of the year will be Starwars Battlefront anyway. They'll also have a price cut later this year. They are well positioned, better than last year.
E3 will be interesting to see what their first party studios are cooking for next year and beyond and will probably have a couple of minor surprises (read remasters) like the Uncharted Collection.
Next year they will be able to count on the big titles that slipped this year as a bonus.

Good post, though replace Rime with The Witness. Rime's first party.

1th party has nothing for the rest of the year.
3rd party relations cant secure any exclusives because they cost too much.
3rd party productions cant port a 5 year old fighting game without cocking it up.


Sony really firing on all cylinders right now


Fingers crossed No Man's Sky lives up to the astronomical hype then.

I've just been joking along with and mocking these kind of shit posts so far but I really don't understand how you could possibly believe this. Enough of your fantasy world, here's what reality looks like:

1st party has Tearaway Unfolded, Rime, Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, Until Dawn, GoW3 Remastered, Journey and whatever they announce at E3 (Uncharted Trilogy at the very least).
3rd party relations has Persona 5, Dragon Quest Heroes, No Man's Sky and The Witness.
3rd party productions has Day of the Tentacle: SE (and Yakuza 5 on PS3).

It's by no means Sony's best second half of the year but it's FAR from bad. Persona 5 alone will probably be a GOTY contender. So sure, "nothing." Troll harder.

 

[loaf of bread]

1th party has nothing for the rest of the year.
3rd party relations cant secure any exclusives because they cost too much.
3rd party productions cant port a 5 year old fighting game without cocking it up.


Sony really firing on all cylinders right now


Fingers crossed No Man's Sky lives up to the astronomical hype then.

You should get a prize for actually getting none of your points correct.

 

[GnawtyDog]

You should get a prize for actually getting none of your points correct.

lol.. funky has been slipping. Gotta be E3 being so close by. Should be fun in the aftermath. The "who won E3 threads"....I can see it already.

 

[border]

It's by no means Sony's best second half of the year but it's FAR from bad. Persona 5 alone will probably be a GOTY contender. So sure, "nothing." Troll harder.

I think you are probably setting yourself up for disappointment if you think Persona 5 is going to be a GOTY contender. Which isn't to say that it won't be fantastic, but it's in such a niche genre that most major publications and websites will completely pass it over. When was the last time a Persona game got a GOTY award? Shit, when was the last time any JRPG got a GOTY award?

 

[benny_a]

Exclusives? Sony money, Sony output.

And when Sony funds a game they publish it, which makes it first party.

Edit: Well I guess with the Street Fighter shit that isn't true any more.

 

[anberlin44]

Maybe its just me but I got Bloodborne, Witcher 3, Broken Age, Dying Light, Shovel Knight and Helldivers. I'm still getting Batman, Mad Max, MGSV, Star Wars Battlefront, (redacted), Black Ops 3 and maybe Persona 5 and No Mans Sky... I really dont know how much more I could as for...

 

[LiquidSolid]

I think you are probably setting yourself up for disappointment if you think Persona 5 is going to be a GOTY contender. Which isn't to say that it won't be fantastic, but it's in such a niche genre that most major publications and websites will completely pass it over. When was the last time a Persona game got a GOTY award? Shit, when was the last time any JRPG got a GOTY award?

Who cares about publications? GAF's GOTY is the only one that matters.

 

[Conduit]

Oh god that list is so full of shit on the playstation side.

Fucking Darksiders 2 and GoW3 remastered ? really ? Toukiden is also on vita, two other vita ports and fucking Kay.

Whoever made this should tone it down

Why? Because you're not interested in these games? Japanese games don't count? Pathetic.

 

[border]

Who cares about publications? GAF's GOTY is the only one that matters.

When was the last time any RPG (Western or Japanese) got a GAF GOTY? The entire RPG genre needs to have much greater appeal before any game ends up being a contender. It's not 1997 anymore.

 

[farisr]

And when Sony funds a game they publish it, which makes it first party.

No it doesn't. Depends on what IP it is and who the developer is. Publishing a game does not make it a first party game.

Case in point. Mass Effect wast not a first party game for Microsoft.

In the case of Sony:
1st party = IP owned by Sony, funded by Sony, developed by a Sony studio.
2nd party (which can be included with 1st party if you want) = IP owned by Sony, funded by Sony, developed by a studio not owned by Sony (like Ratchet & Clank)
3rd party exclusive = Can be exclusive for a variety of reasons, even if Sony is publishing and funding the game, if they don't own the IP, it can't be considered first party.

 

[wolfhowwl]

When was the last time any RPG (Western or Japanese) got a GAF GOTY? The entire RPG genre needs to have much greater appeal before any game ends up being a contender. It's not 1997 anymore.

2010 with Mass Effect 2.