Big Green Anus
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Did Little Big Planet 3 really hurt the franchise or is it due to people being not interested in the franchise no more?
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Sony: "Our 1st party lineup a little sparse this year"; emphasis on 3rd party support
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Did Little Big Planet 3 really hurt the franchise or is it due to people being not interested in the franchise no more?
Nightengale
Member
Halo 5 will be different by virtue of it being "Halo." It's like Zelda, Smash, Kart, Gran Turismo, Uncharted aka in the few first first-party IPs that are competitive with the holiday behemoths.
Tomb Raider did well over a long-stretch of time, but we aren't sure how much of that was due to discounts/low prices/Steam. With it being exclusive to a platform that the IP didn't do a lot to begin with, it's very much a wait-and-see situation for Tomb Raider, even considering that MS is likely to bundle the hell out of RotTR.
I still liked it and solid game but it took some time since when it first came out it was buggy and not everything worked
Nightengale
Member
Personally, I'd say more the latter than the former.
LBP2 was released in January 2011. Back then, the marketplace for children-focused games was still relatively slim. Some Lego games here and there, but I don't remember much competition.
Today?
Multiple Lego licensed games. Skylanders. Disney Infinity. Minecraft. Lego Dimensions.
The market was hit pretty hard by ridiculously tough competition in the past 3 years.
The Artisan
Member
exactly, and Uncharted was supposed to be a title to encompany halo 5 in the halloween/thanksgiving/christmas release window. that's what potential tens of millions of people were looking forward to, and now that has become an empty void for them & sony. so is it right to just keep it empty when something so high profile was there in the first place?
I think just the fact that it is exclusive will give it some more attention tbh. and yeah, bundles of course.
not only that but the novelty wore off and I don't think user generated content is as popular as it was during that time.
Nightengale
Member
Right or not, new games of similar calibre don't magically pop up to replace another when one is delayed.
Either games were already ready by that point of time, or moneyhats happen to deny existing games of another platform just to have an exclusive.
Expectations of UCG nowadays are also more about actual creation (Minecraft), rather than level/toolset creation, which was more of LPB's thing.
The Artisan
Member
to me it was the former. LBP2 was critically acclaimed and I think it sold decently. I've been a hardcore LBP fan and I was disappointed with LBP3 long before it was released. But its fiasco during release didn't help either.
It doesn't have to be of the same calibre, but it's better than doing nothing.
I guess that's a valid argument...
Nightengale
Member
Credible sources are reporting Uncharted Collection for this fall. And while it's probably 'reading too much into it', UC4's MP designer has been tweeting a lot of UC4 MP... possibly teasing UC4 MP beta?
So, that's something...?
Benzychenz
Member
It's because the Japanese games on PS4 are a lot more niche so far.
PS2 would have had Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, Silent Hill, Dark Cloud and Ico by now.
What does the PS4 have that compares? Bloodborne, a Final Fantasy PSP remaster and a Metal Gear prologue.
Not the same at all.
I'm not really talking about the same old franchises. I'm talking about new games that are actually good but just never get mentioned in any conversations. "Niche" is only a word and doesn't explain anything about it unfortunately.
Primethius
Banned
In what world is Ico not niche?
And there's a few more Japanese games on PS4 then your list is giving it credit for that are out right now.
Nightengale
Member
Dark Cloud and Ico are plenty niche, imo.
The Artisan
Member
yes, that is something but it's disappointing that that's what it has come down to.
Nightengale
Member
Reality of game development when you don't have an annualisation model in place for for your biggest IPs.
A single missed deadline could immediately make your line-up lookweaker simply by having the 'biggest' game miss it, even though it's just one game.
In Sony's case though, it's 2 games. (Ratchet & UC4)
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Well to be fair not many were giving R&C much respect as a holiday release. I think it will benefit from the delay.
Nightengale
Member
Well, ideally the game needs to launch close-or-together with the movie, given that it's the aim in the first place, to take advantage of the cross-media marketing. (like SW Battlefront & the Episode VII)
Benzychenz
Member
Eh, I guess Ico is niche, but it's a critically acclaimed first party release so I counted it.
And what would you list on PS4? I'm only counting the big games, I left stuff like Zone of the Enders and Onimusha off the PS2 list as well.
The Artisan
Member
i don't think ratchet's delay had nearly the same effect as Uc4's. other than that, i guess i can't say i disagree
Nightengale
Member
mistake post
Primethius
Banned
Stuff out, I was thinking of something like GG: XRD. Stuff coming out, that list is pretty clear, from P5 to Star Ocean and everything in between.
But I guess my bigger point was... why does it matter if its niche or not? A quality title is a quality title.
Isn't that every post in a pre-E3 thread? :-D
TheUnsunghero26
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On PC yeah. Microsoft still had the console publishing rights at the time, as evidenced by the re-releases of the Platinum Hits version (2009) and a CrackDown/Mass Effect double pack (2011). EA published the 360 version of Trilogy in 2012, 5 years after ME1 originally came out. I think it's safe to say ME was always going to come to PC whether or not EA bought BioWare.
Western media coverage has been ignoring Japanese games for some years now. I made a thread listing Japanese releases for 2015 to put things into perspective. Honestly, if not for Japan, I wouldn't even be playing games today. They seem to stick to their AA game and focus on putting out a consistent number of games instead of five AAA games during November.
Japanese publishers are also sort of bad at marketing their games compared to Western publishers. And we live in an age where what isn't marketed isn't worth one's attention. This is why Destiny got tenfold the attention online than the entire 2014 Japanese game output put together.
Here is the thread I made. It's pretty hard looking at it and claiming Japan still isn't vital part of console gaming, despite all the doom and gloom on NeoGaf.
Because they were pretty fast in the bargain bin as I alteady wrote. That is the reason I am asking.
And of course it would be interesting to see how many times it was downloaded for free as part of the "goodwill" offer. Despite that there is no discussion about the quality, it is a good franchise.
EmptySpace
Banned
delusions. it's seriously pathetic.
it's the same with, "oh oh oh oh sony doesn't have a triple a game this holiday! they need one!" then they go on other threads, "indie or aaa they're all games!"
give me a break.
hardcoregamer :
http://www.hardcoregamer.com/2015/05/29/has-the-arse-in-sparse-finally-caught-up-to-sony/150924/
Yeah, only Holiday counts! What a piece of crap article.
http://www.hardcoregamer.com/2015/05/29/has-the-arse-in-sparse-finally-caught-up-to-sony/150924/
Yeah, only Holiday counts! What a piece of crap article.
UltimaPooh
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I can't remember PS2 Era too well but it was similar no? Sure Sony had first party support but I don't think it was at the levels that PS3 had.
I dunno thinking longer than that sentence I just wrote I guess they did have a decent amount including second parties and Naughty Dog...
It's a different era now... Games are HD and require so much to sell that it takes a huge budget... if your console is doing gang busters with out you really needing to get in there like the PS3... you could probably hold off on a ton of first party support while third parties see their day in the sun.
Fine with me. I love the PS4 as a console, and as long as Sony puts out about 2 to 3 high quality games of their own a year and I get my pick at whatever 3rd party game. I'm fine.
I dunno thinking longer than that sentence I just wrote I guess they did have a decent amount including second parties and Naughty Dog...
It's a different era now... Games are HD and require so much to sell that it takes a huge budget... if your console is doing gang busters with out you really needing to get in there like the PS3... you could probably hold off on a ton of first party support while third parties see their day in the sun.
Fine with me. I love the PS4 as a console, and as long as Sony puts out about 2 to 3 high quality games of their own a year and I get my pick at whatever 3rd party game. I'm fine.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Why did I click that.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
That just about covers it. I think it'll be Uncharted 4, Ratchet & Clank, Street Figther V (I know its not 1st party), WiLD, Gravity Rush 2, Horizon and maybe Bend's game. Rime and The Tomorrow Children may slip into next year, but I'm still confident they'll get released this year.
That's a great thread, thanks for making it. A lot of stuff in there I'm personally looking forward to, glad to have a place that puts it in perspective.
Edit: On second thought, wrong thread
lbp was a big franchise.
I wrote : 'piece of crap article'
