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[Ourobolus]

You said neither ultron nor fran are HHA (the chances of this being true are very slight), and you threw suspicion on fran's "confirmed" targets when fran is the one that got this ball rolling in the first place!

How can this not be extremely suspicious?

Look, if you want to evict Timeaisis or Razmos, fine. I'm positive they are town, but if it will make you happy, fine.

At this point the only people I am confident are town are:
Franconp
Nin1000
RobotNinjaHornets

Hell, go after me. But afterwards nin1000 and RetroGamer will be able to vouch for me.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Thinking about it, we all thought King's posting was weird, how he basically wanted HHA to kill him instead of investigator because he didn't want his role revealed. He basically painted a big target on his back saying he had a power role. Maybe it was because he wanted the HHA to target him so he could flip?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I propose investigating kingkitty.

shrug, sure. But whatever role I'm confirmed to be, I rather it not be outed in the thread.

If I happened to be picked by the investigator, I rather he just say "yeah he's a townie" and leave it at that.

you are pretty much yelling "hey HHA, kill me!"

if it's me instead of the investigator, I'm fine with that.

Of course he would be fine with HHA targeting him if being targeted would have him join their ranks.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

So why the whole situation with you being labeled a townie?

to distract mafia.

Would explain the thing with Salva as well. He acted like he made mistake voting salva, but wanted to save hobo.

 

[squidyj]

I answered your initial request. Other than that, you have nothing other than conjecture. Your suspicion amounted to "I think we should get this guy." I suggest you look elsewhere, because I haven't claimed for a reason. I don't want to say anything or else we will be at a severe disadvantage.

normally when I'm town I dont like it when people vote me and I try to understand what it is that I've been doing that makes them think I'm mafia, I generally want to be able to explain that behavior or determine if they might just be trying to railroad me. I generally don't ignore them just because I don't feel particularly threatened, in that respect I find your response to date to be very odd and acting as though you don't want to draw attention to yourself.

Additionally you're trying to turn this around and make it about me, but without accusing me of being mafia you suggest that I'm confused town, but then it shouldn't be about me, it should be about you and your actions leading people to believe you are mafia

Significantly you have contributed little and generally rode the waves of public sentiment, often finishing posts with statements like "i just don't know" a hand-wringing affair that absolves you from giving a firm opinion that you might later be held to.

Your voting pattern therein is also suspect, deflecting away from and then voting for hobohodo. voting on so many of the innocent townies that got lynched, just generally trying to get people lynched, unless you think you can save your mafia teammate.

 

[squidyj]

Oh yeah i forgot to mention what you said about trusting franconp but not the people he's checked is a massive slip that lets us know you're not thinking things through, it literally just doesnt work like that and i think that alone should be enough for a lynch

 

[squidyj]

Look, if you want to evict Timeaisis or Razmos, fine. I'm positive they are town, but if it will make you happy, fine.

At this point the only people I am confident are town are:
Franconp
Nin1000
RobotNinjaHornets

Hell, go after me. But afterwards nin1000 and RetroGamer will be able to vouch for me.

you literally just said you found them suspicious now you're positive they're town, and you're saying you said they were suspicious because you thought other people thought they were suspicious and wanted to lynch them?

How are you not evicted yet?

 

[Ourobolus]

normally when I'm town I dont like it when people vote me and I try to understand what it is that I've been doing that makes them think I'm mafia, I generally want to be able to explain that behavior or determine if they might just be trying to railroad me. I generally don't ignore them just because I don't feel particularly threatened, in that respect I find your response to date to be very odd and acting as though you don't want to draw attention to yourself.

Additionally you're trying to turn this around and make it about me, but without accusing me of being mafia you suggest that I'm confused town, but then it shouldn't be about me, it should be about you and your actions leading people to believe you are mafia

Significantly you have contributed little and generally rode the waves of public sentiment, often finishing posts with statements like "i just don't know" a hand-wringing affair that absolves you from giving a firm opinion that you might later be held to.

Your voting pattern therein is also suspect, deflecting away from and then voting for hobohodo. voting on so many of the innocent townies that got lynched, just generally trying to get people lynched, unless you think you can save your mafia teammate.

I'm not sure what you are on here,..
I led the vote for freak and hobo (at least the first one I feel terrible about)

I feel like I have added plenty when it comes to our discussion, really. I haven't said anything to turn it back on you, so far. I don't want to negate the possibility of an inactive being mafia, but you never know. In the games I have played it only takes one person to carry out the night evictions.

That's said:
Vote: RobotNinjaHornets

 

[Ourobolus]

you literally just said you found them suspicious now you're positive they're town, and you're saying you said they were suspicious because you thought other people thought they were suspicious and wanted to lynch them?

How are you not evicted yet?

If you want to go after me, then fine.
My suspicion revolves around the fact that Fran is not town.
It's totally possible that he has that role but is working on a town alignment.

 

[franconp]

Back from work.

I didn't remember that Toma had given some sort of proof he was a Light Sleeper. I was just reading a bit at work before leaving to work and realized that something was weird as he didn't get a notification of my action. Glad Kark sorted that out.

Why I investigated RNH? Because him and KingKitty were at the top of my suspicious list. Both of the made some strange post and voting before Salvapot eviction. RNH said that he didn't wanted Hobohodo out because he could be useful. After Hobohodo was found HHA I though that was some RNH protecting a fellow HHA so I wanted to make sure what his role was.

Right now Kingkitty is the most suspicious to me, as he changed his vote at last minute to avoid Hobohodo eviction and forced a tie. Later he made a joke and said he didn't realize what he had done and tried to change is vote after the time was done. Now that Hobohodo is proven HHA I think he is the most suspicious player.

Also, now I'm sure Ultron is HHA. I was thinking he may be neutral but after he used his role this phase I don't have a doub he is HHA. I think that's why we didn't get evicted last night phase. Why spend an eviction on us when, if they evict two other players, they can make me look suspicious? Not evicting us make me seem like HHA so why bother to spend a night time eviction on us. Also Ultron didn't had a chance to use his power until now and this was just the right time. They make me look suspicious for staying too long in the game and have the chance to evict an investigator, two proven townies and a couple of more townies in two phases. It's a good plan.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

If you want to go after me, then fine.
My suspicion revolves around the fact that Fran is not town.
It's totally possible that he has that role but is working on a town alignment.

Seems like for the most part, you just mimick what has already been said in the thread.

I I suggest you look elsewhere, because I haven't claimed for a reason. I don't want to say anything or else we will be at a severe disadvantage.

When you say claim, do you mean role?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Right now Kingkitty is the most suspicious to me, as he changed his vote at last minute to avoid Hobohodo eviction and forced a tie. Later he made a joke and said he didn't realize what he had done and tried to change is vote after the time was done. Now that Hobohodo is proven HHA I think he is the most suspicious player.

My thoughts on King Here

 

[Ourobolus]

Seems like for the most part, you just mimick what has already been said in the thread.

When you say claim, do you mean role?

One of the days, ok, I admit bandwagoning. But I think my reasoning was sound. And seriously, just look at the posts after I changed my mind on days 4 and 5 - I had plenty of followers. 2 out of the past 3 days I haven't been a follower. Sure, I have been wrong 2/3 of those days, but fuck I will take a win when I can get it.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

What about the 2nd part in my post?

 

[Ourobolus]

What about the 2nd part in my post?

I have a reason for not saying anything at this point. And honestly, I don't want to say anything unless I am forced to.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

say it please

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Haly squid are voting for u, and you are one of my top 2 for voting today as well. So spill it.

 

[squidyj]

I'm not sure what you are on here,..
I led the vote for freak and hobo (at least the first one I feel terrible about)

I feel like I have added plenty when it comes to our discussion, really. I haven't said anything to turn it back on you, so far. I don't want to negate the possibility of an inactive being mafia, but you never know. In the games I have played it only takes one person to carry out the night evictions.

That's said:
Vote: RobotNinjaHornets

tell me how you lead the vote. what logic and analysis did you provide that lead to these votes?

particularly hobo, because the way hobohodo went it was
1. oh shit what the fuck is "younger nephew" (credit franconp)
2. how did you get checked if you blocked yourself n4? (credit mazre)

and everything else was dogpiling, which in fact many people noted it was likely that mafia was voting against hobohodo. You voted against him before info came out but you didn't push or lead the vote you were just sort of like 'eh, yeah that guy"


Also, Launchpad called you out for not having anything on you, voting you, then canceling, because he, (maybe haly) and RNH all seemed to think you were a power role, holding back information. But then it turned out that Tom was the light sleeper, not you but nobody ever really went back to you.

 

[squidyj]

If you want to go after me, then fine.
My suspicion revolves around the fact that Fran is not town.
It's totally possible that he has that role but is working on a town alignment.

but you said you believed fran was town in the same post, how is any of this supposed to make sense?

 

[kingkitty]

yoooooo what the fuck

 

[squidyj]

Taking a step back from the reads and ouro/kitty to look at strategy.

if we accept that there are 10 town and 4 mafia, then a majority of 8 town for our first eviction leaves 2 town and 4 mafia to decide the second eviction.

if we have the magic capability to split 5 and 5 on mafia targets then and only then would mafia be unable to own one of the evictions, at a 6-4 split of votes by town mafia could go 4 on a third party to get a no evict, otherwise they could bloc vote whoever they wanted as the second pick, which would be dangerous for them but potentially rewarding?

I think it would be a mistake to try to go for a strict majority on anyone because it would make it easy for mafia to take the second target and stay hidden. a 6-4 or 7-3 split of town votes would make it harder for mafia to 'buy' the second eviction without being noticed

 

[Ourobolus]

but you said you believed fran was town in the same post, how is any of this supposed to make sense?

I've never said that Fran was town. That was all you. I've been suspicious of him for quite some time, but I've thought that "investigator" is a useful role, even though it may be useful for HHA. My main suspicions at this point are in the NW corner, especially considering RNH's "gaffe" this round.

 

[Kevyt]

This is getting real gud.

 

[squidyj]

I'm thinking that neither he nor Fran is mafia (maybe one is neutral). But, regardless, I am suspicious of anyone Franconp has "confirmed."

W T F

 

[Ourobolus]

Taking a step back from the reads and ouro/kitty to look at strategy.

if we accept that there are 10 town and 4 mafia, then a majority of 8 town for our first eviction leaves 2 town and 4 mafia to decide the second eviction.

if we have the magic capability to split 5 and 5 on mafia targets then and only then would mafia be unable to own one of the evictions, at a 6-4 split of votes by town mafia could go 4 on a third party to get a no evict, otherwise they could bloc vote whoever they wanted as the second pick, which would be dangerous for them but potentially rewarding?

I think it would be a mistake to try to go for a strict majority on anyone because it would make it easy for mafia to take the second target and stay hidden. a 6-4 or 7-3 split of town votes would make it harder for mafia to 'buy' the second eviction without being noticed

I confused by your math because we should have 14 people left. Not saying you are wrong, but please explain it to us dung liberal arts majors

 

[squidyj]

and let me just make clear I'm not going to back of for anything less than one hell of a role claim ouro.

 

[Ourobolus]

W T F

Whoops, that should be "or."

If Fran is HHA, then anyone he has confirmed comes into suspicion.

I feel like he has been legit, and is a town cop, but yeah , it is difficult to determine. So far Razmos and Timeaisis are "confirmed," so there really is no way to confirm those two roles, sadly.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Ouro, what role are you?

 

[squidyj]

I confused by your math because we should have 14 people left. Not saying you are wrong, but please explain it to us dung liberal arts majors

I'm talking about town votes, obviously mafia knows who is who and what's going on and town doesnt know shit and it's basically impossible to coordinate this but the major thrust is we need to get close to majority but not actually hit majority, this optimizes voting for towns interests.

at 10 town and 4 mafia, if 8 town vote for person A there remains a voting pool of 2 town and 4 mafia to vote for the second target. this is pretty good for mafia they get to run the second vote

If 7 town vote for person A the pool changes to 3 town and 4 mafia,

 

[Ourobolus]

Ouro, what role are you?

I really don't want to reveal my role.
I know that I suspicious, but I have a good reason for not doing it

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Vote: Ourobolus

Explain your role that you seem to claim you have.

 

[kingkitty]

I'm going to summarize most (not all) of the info that Mazre left me before his untimely eviction.

-There are potentially 3-5 mafia. There's Timmy, Tommy, Nook, and the lost partner. He also thinks there might be an extra one.

-Possible that franconp is mafia, fits within Animal Crossing New Leaf theme where there are inspectors who snuck into people's houses.

-Night 3 may have been a no evict because mafia had to pick up the lost partner.

-Mazre concurs with my belief that there isn't a serial killer role.

-Mazre believes we likely have 2-3 day phases left until mafia can reach a majority. (He didn't mention the possibility of a double eviction)

-It's highly likely roomies have mafia. And it's likely there is an investigator type role, too many things line up. Although the alignment of that investigator (franconp) is still unknown. A suspicious note for mazre is that franconp did a relatively early roleclaim on day 2, even when there wasn't much roomie talk and no votes for roomies at that point.

-Important to look at the Day 4 votes.

-Razmos claimed in post 740 that something was revealed in his gossip chat. Mazre tried to search his following posts in the thread to find an update on this, but he couldn't find any. He found this weird because Timeaisis and Daryll have both claimed ordinary villager. This info should be followed up on.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=165132414&postcount=740

-Thinks Toma and Kaly are legitimate. Most interesting day concerning these two is Night 1. Toma heard nothing on Night1, but Kalor did. There may have been either an inbournd action on kingkitty (me), Haly, Kalor, or Mazre, OR an outbound action by Haly or kingkitty.

Known actions of those night sinclude Tucah's commuting, an investigation, and the eviction. There's also the possibility of an odd night commuter, but Mazre's gut thinks it's due mafia, but not sure what exactly.

That's most of what he told me. I'll be sure to post my own thoughts a little later after I eat this taco.

 

[Ourobolus]

Vote: Ourobolus

Explain your role that you seem to claim you have.

Ugh. I know it is suspicious. But let me put it this way. If you were a Taco, and everyone else said they were a Taco, would you say your were a Taco?
"You were"

 

[Ourobolus]

Lol kingkitty stop reading my mind as far as tacos are concerned.

 

[squidyj]

Ugh. I know it is suspicious. But let me put it this way. If you were a Taco, and everyone else said they were a Taco, would you say your were a Taco?
"You were"

so you're claiming vanilla town? or gossip?

 

[Ourobolus]

Vote: Ourobolus

Explain your role that you seem to claim you have.

I really can't say more. I wish I could.

 

[squidyj]

also yes, yes i would say i was a taco because i would be a goddamn taco. the only reason I wouldnt say I was a taco was because there was a taco destroying monster on the prowl, something royal and feline/

 

[Haly]

I'm roleclaiming Taco.

I know I role claimed Villager, but I was a Taco all along.

I didn't want to bring it up for fear of being eaten by the HHA.

 

[Ourobolus]

so you're claiming vanilla town? or gossip?

I claimed my role in the private chat. I didn't want to post it in the public chat because at that point it was suspicious.
I know that isn't the best explanation , but that is all I have.

 

[franconp]

-It's highly likely roomies have mafia. And it's likely there is an investigator type role, too many things line up. Although the alignment of that investigator (franconp) is still unknown. A suspicious note for mazre is that franconp did a relatively early roleclaim on day 2, even when there wasn't much roomie talk and no votes for roomies at that point.

That's were you are wrong. Before I roleclaimed Haly and EzekelRage had already voted for us, Darryl was saying we should been evicted since day 1, Timeaisis defended us but changed his mind the second day and wanted to evict us (that's why I investigated him that night phase) and that's only the ones I remember by memory without looking old post.


I'm still waiting for you to explain why you changed your vote to a tie in the 4th day.

 

[Ourobolus]

I'm roleclaiming Taco.

DAMMIT

 

[kingkitty]

Hmm, if mafia attempts to evict their lost partner, but then switches their vote, does that still count as an attempt?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I claimed my role in the private chat. I didn't want to post it in the public chat because at that point it was suspicious.
I know that isn't the best explanation , but that is all I have.

The fact that you claimed in gossip chat, you should claim now

im cool with voting king/ouro

 

[kingkitty]

I'm still waiting for you to explain why you changed your vote to a tie in the 4th day.

I'm relaying what Mazre said.

Also if you read the thread, I've already explained my tie vote.

Frankly, it's either you or ultron that's mafia. But it doesn't matter, you're gonna have to be evicted eventually.

 

[Ourobolus]

The fact that you claimed in gossip chat, you should claim now

im cool with voting king/ouro

That's true, but at the time it was just me an Foshy. Now that Nin1000 is in there, I'm not sure what I should do.

 

[kingkitty]

The fact that you claimed in gossip chat, you should claim now

im cool with voting king/ouro

me? Are you serious? Are you saying Mazre had TWO mafia in his gossip chat. That's absurd.

Guess what though? If I was a "lost partner", wouldn't I need mafia to attempt an eviction on me? Well I believed I've never been voted for eviction.

If I'm just simply mafia, why would I go through the effort of asking franconp to investigate Hobodobo? What sort of logic is that?

We need to make the right decisions here, we need to look at every attempted evicted, that's the key to finding the lost partner.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

 

[Ourobolus]

me? Are you serious? Are you saying Mazre had TWO mafia in his gossip chat. That's absurd.

Guess what though? If I was a "lost partner", wouldn't I need mafia to attempt an eviction on me? Well I believed I've never been voted for eviction.

If I'm just simply mafia, why would I go through the effort of asking franconp to investigate Hobodobo? What sort of logic is that?

We need to make the right decisions here, we need to look at every attempted evicted, that's the key to finding the lost partner.

What's stopping this game from saying that there are two HHA in one (or two) chats? Hell, we already had one HHA within range of two chats, so my original assumption was already screwed.

 

[franconp]

I assumed an Ezekiel vote would be a tie, my bad.

That isn't much of an explanation.

 

[squidyj]

me? Are you serious? Are you saying Mazre had TWO mafia in his gossip chat. That's absurd.

Guess what though? If I was a "lost partner", wouldn't I need mafia to attempt an eviction on me? Well I believed I've never been voted for eviction.

If I'm just simply mafia, why would I go through the effort of asking franconp to investigate Hobodobo? What sort of logic is that?

We need to make the right decisions here, we need to look at every attempted evicted, that's the key to finding the lost partner.

what? this logic is TERRIBLE. mafia repeatedly night evicted people who were not the topic of conversation the fact that you've tried to use daytime voting to suggest that mafia never tried to evict you is making me think you're mafia even more.

I'm on board with king+ouro