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[Wavebossa]

There is an inclination of some posters to try and dictate to others what imagined, self-defined purpose certain services have, and like hell are you going to go outside their parameters.

For example - Kickstarter is somehow only for small indies, and it can only be used if you have no funding anywhere else, and it has to be for special snowflake games, and only when your back is up against the wall, and only for the bare minimum you need.

Because they decided that's what kickstarter is, apparently.

This is precisely the kind of vibe i'm getting too. Couldn't have said it better myself

 

[Vibranium]

I knew it, they needed to gauge interest I guess before they plunked down however many millions Suzuki needs. It's going to be more than 2 million, that's for sure.

 

[Black Pewter]

Well there goes any hope for an Xbox version. Shame really since that's where the game started out.

I'm in tears. That avy too. Too good.

 

[Veritigo_X]

I'm not telling people what to do, I'm not yelling at them, I don't care about what people do, I'm only talking about Sony's part in this, which is the only thing that bothers me. And no, this is not about console A or console B or console C, or PC either.

Were you okay with the Divinity: Original Sin kickstarter? I didn't see much outrage over that one.

 

[harSon]

I'm not sure I understand the gripping at all.

1. You still get the game for $30
2. You get a game that it going to get a proper budget and not just whatever kickstarter raises.


The only way you should have an issue with this is if you were expecting a XB1 version, which they didn't promise.

Or 3. You're not a fan of a multi billion dollar corporation pulling a fast one to have a game's development costs partially subsidized by consumers.

 

[Salsa]

Regarding deals, thats the case with standard game developement too though, if i understand you correctly. Many projects get started on, then canceled, without we knowing anything about it. I'm also sure that there have been, and will be, negotiation regarding game projects that never gets started due to disagreements, which is also something we wont know anything about.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but it seems to me that you wanted more openess regarding the process. That is fair enough i think. It doesnt seem that you're really worried about game projects themself being affected in a meaningful way. Kickstarter have existed for many years, and while Shenmue looks to be really successful through Kickstarter, it might end up being a "small potato" compared to the juggernaut that is Star Citizen that raised nearly 40 million dollars (if im not mistaken) through crowd funding (much of that amount was outside of Kickstarter). Despite such a huge success, we havnt really seen bigger publishers starting using Kickstarter. As for the situation right now, personally i dont think Shenmue 3 will really change this.

you're not really wrong on either account, I just have a more skeptical outlook. we're all just speculating in the end

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Just sell your consoles, and buy a graphic card for your PC.

Because exclusives. Having both is better. PC/PS4 seems to be the way to go this gen.

 

[SparkTR]

Same thing is going to happen with NMS.(PS4/PC)

Eh, I doubt that. Those guys have a history with partnering with manufactures before eventually putting their game on everything. There'll be an exclusivity period sure, but in the end I don't doubt the game is theirs to do whatever they want with.

 

[bon]

Have some of you lost your effing minds!? I am at a loss for words. The fuck is going on here? This is Shenmue 3 for Christ's sake.

Who cares how it got funded. I am getting my dream game after all these years. Stop fucking destroying the hype and good will. I can just see this mothballing and gaming websites reporting it spreading like misinformation fire storm. Please don't anyone pull your pledges. We need more backers to give this game the maximum funds possible.

Why would you hate this? Why do you want to take away my perfect game from me and other fans after the hell we have been through to finally get this to happen?

I am shaking in anger and tears are streaming down my face.I have lost all hope at some modern gamers today.

This guy knows what's up. Quit trying to rain on our parade.

 

[OmegaDL50]

Same thing is going to happen with NMS.(PS4/PC)

Explain? Why is this going to happen with No Man's Sky.

Why does it need to be kickstarted? Why does a game already in development with a pending release need additional backing?

Or was this post mean to be disingenuous.

 

[Wildarmsjecht]

Does this mean....

Sony can possibly pull the same thing for Wild ARMs? (Media.Vision creates a spiritual successor, asks for funding, interest is guaged, Sony comes in and BOOM! WE'LL JUST RENAME THIS WILD ARMS ALPHA!)

Because I would back my ass UP on that thing.

Back it all the way up.

 

[SolarPowered]

I'm just glad it exists at all and that we get a PC port to boot. Let's just count the KS is a pre-order and be glad that Sony is even allowing a PC port.

 

[4Tran]

This does not seat well with me because you are asking your customers to help you fund part of your development cost when they have zero idea on how the final product will turn out. There are no working prototype and nothing to show for so there's a chance that it will turn out shitty. Not saying it will but the chance exists. So instead of company bearing the risk, they are asking the consumer to give it a shot in the dark and let them burden it.

This is just my personal gut feeling and I really have no idea if this is a good approach or not because we are covering new ground here. The most similar thing akin to this is pre ordering of games but at least there are enough tangible materials for you to reference with that. I guess Yu Suzuki and the Shenmue brand name is enough for people but I can see how this might not be the case for many others.

Welcome to Kickstarter. There's good reason to be cautious over any Kickstarter campaign, and I would suggest that anyone worried by one shouldn't back it. However, lots of campaigns have been able to get great games produced because of Kickstarter, and we've all been able to benefit from it. If you're unsure, wait until the game comes out, and only buy in if it seems good!

 

[Corto]

How ironic would it be if somehow NEOGAF starts the chain of events leading to the cancellation of the game lol.

That's impossible to happen.

 

[Nosgotham]

Anyone hating is not a true shenmue fan

 

[BlackBuzzard]

If i see "Yu Suzuki decides to cancel Shenmue 3 kickstarter over Neogaf outrage" none of you are safe and Huber would be so disappointed.

 

[Kazer]

I'm not sure I understand the gripping at all.

1. You still get the game for $30
2. You get a game that it going to get a proper budget and not just whatever kickstarter raises.


The only way you should have an issue with this is if you were expecting a XB1 version, which they didn't promise.

Nailed it!!

 

[Darknight]

Shenmue: the object of great passion, but also of great salt.

Sheesh people it's not even exclusive to PS4, it's on PC too. If you don't want a PS4 that's fine, but if you can't even muster up a PC or PS4 to play Shenmue 3, then I'm going to venture out and say that you probably weren't really going to play it anyway.

Dropping truth bombs. Any real Shenmue Fan is gonna get either a PS4 or a PC to play this.

Else watch the game on Youtube I suppose like the new gen gamers these days that watch "Let's Play"s and think they have valid arguments when it comes to the game and how it plays.

 

[RichiRamjag]

Or 3. You're not a fan of a multi billion dollar corporation pulling a fast one to have a game's development costs partially subsidized by consumers.

That's bull, donations can still be reversed, yet that kickstarter still rises.

 

[Krejlooc]

Or 3. You're not a fan of a multi billion dollar corporation pulling a fast one to have a game's development costs partially subsidized by consumers.

Oh darn, now Yu Suzuki has more money to make his game with. That angers me so much. And to think, they got you to pledge by dangling that game you were going to buy regardless in front of your face at an attractive price. How sick!

 

[USC-fan]

Or 3. You're not a fan of a multi billion dollar corporation pulling a fast one to have a game's development costs partially subsidized by consumers.

Lol

Amount of stupid in this thread is at another level.

This game will be $60. You can buy it for $30 now. You can wait and buy it for $60.

One thing for sure if it didn't hit it goal the game wouldn't happen.

 

[Rozart]

First off this isn't even Sony's kickstarter. They are helping to fund it and it's going to be PS4 and PC. Those are the platforms stated.

If anyone else donated thinking it would come to anything else that is an assumption they made and only they should be held accountable for it.

That being said why should this be taken down? I just paid $29 bucks for a digital version of the game. I win in this situation. Their are rewards for people who back more and stretch goals.

This shouldn't be taken down because you don't agree with it. Just don't pledge your money. Simple.

Exactly. Some people can't seem to comprehend that fans are /voluntarily/ pledging their money to the project. We want the promised KS rewards.

Or 3. You're not a fan of a multi billion dollar corporation pulling a fast one to have a game's development costs partially subsidized by consumers.

'Pulling a fast one?' How so?

 

[joecanada]

This does not seat well with me because you are asking your customers to help you fund part of your development cost when they have zero idea on how the final product will turn out. There are no working prototype and nothing to show for so there's a chance that it will turn out shitty. Not saying it will but the chance exists. So instead of company bearing the risk, they are asking the consumer to give it a shot in the dark and let them burden it.

This is just my personal gut feeling and I really have no idea if this is a good approach or not because we are covering new ground here. The most similar thing akin to this is pre ordering of games but at least there are enough tangible materials for you to reference with that. I guess Yu Suzuki and the Shenmue brand name is enough for people but I can see how this might not be the case for many others.

welcome to kickstarter you aren't buying shares , you gave them money. having sony involved is better assurance than 90% of KS campaigns out there, but hey , according to this thread they are the devil!

Also you get a game for your money so "gave them money" is somewhat debatable.

 

[Pikma]

How are they removing the risk when they're the ones funding the majority of the game? Taking advantage by seeing if people actually want this game? Why shouldn't it be console exclusive? I don't even know what your point is.

I mentioned it because you're complaining about exclusivity.

The majority off the game? Source? Even if that's the case, it's a publisher getting free money from whales to finance and diminish their risks while keeping all the advantages of having said product as an exclusive console-wise. And when I say whales I mean the people donating way more than $60, before you try that "but it's not free money they are getting the game too!!!!"

 

[Breakage]

Unsurprising. No way this game is gonna be built with a $2 million kickstarter fund.

 

[Ralemont]

Or 3. You're not a fan of a multi billion dollar corporation pulling a fast one to have a game's development costs partially subsidized by consumers.

What fast one? Shenmue either gets my money now or later. I don't pay for it twice.

Also: everyone saying Sony would fund this no matter what is, of course, calling Yu Suzuki a dirty liar. If you are then...okay then. Just wanted to make it clear.

 

[igordennis]

There is an inclination of some posters to try and dictate to others what imagined, self-defined purpose certain services have, and like hell are you going to go outside their parameters.

For example - Kickstarter is somehow only for small indies, and it can only be used if you have no funding anywhere else, and it has to be for special snowflake games, and only when your back is up against the wall, and only for the bare minimum you need.

Because they decided that's what kickstarter is, apparently.

Seriously, Kickstarter isnt what some of you think it is.

 

[nailbombxx]

Sony going all in. Damn.

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

Seeing Shenmue 3 get announced is like hearing baby Dragons singing. Kinda hard to be cynical after that.

 

[Zombie James]

Or 3. You're not a fan of a multi billion dollar corporation pulling a fast one to have a game's development costs partially subsidized by consumers.

And backers get the game at half price. Why are people acting like backers are getting cheated?

 

[raphier]

Lol

Amount of stupid in this thread is at another level.

This game will be $60. You can buy it for $30 now. You can wait and buy it for $60.

One thing for sure if it didn't hit it goal the game wouldn't happen.

hey atleast when you pay 60 you know what you're getting and it's printed on a disc.

 

[prwxv3]

Or 3. You're not a fan of a multi billion dollar corporation pulling a fast one to have a game's development costs partially subsidized by consumers.

Backers have like 30 days to pull their pledge .

 

[-COOLIO-]

Seeing Shenmue 3 get announced is like hearing baby Dragons singing. Kinda hard to be cynical after that.

pretty much.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Dropping truth bombs. Any real Shenmue Fan is gonna get either a PS4 or a PC to play this.

Else watch the game on Youtube I suppose like the new gen gamers these days that watch "Let's Play"s and think they have valid arguments when it comes to the game and how it plays.

I laughed so hard, because this is so true. Then the comments, "this looks boring" is the new narrative. Everything you are supposed to have hands on looks "boring" when just watching.

What a silly 'CULTure' gaming is evolving into.

 

[Ithil]

Or 3. You're not a fan of a multi billion dollar corporation pulling a fast one to have a game's development costs partially subsidized by consumers.

I'm going to get Shenmue 3 for 28 dollars on release day. Boy they sure got me.

 

[timlot]

 

[Windom Earle]

Does that mean we will get a physical PS4 release now?

Yes, just not through the kickstarter.

 

[andymcc]

"Gauge interest" is a convenient excuse. This game was always going to be funded at any goal (within reason). Sony knows how a game like this would be received after seeing overnight successes like Yooka-Laylee.

did you read this thread i linked

 

[MUnited83]

Makes a lot of[ sense, and ita exactly what many people were expecting. I see no issue with this. Sony wanted to make Shenmue happen but its a rosky move business wise with how badly the other entries sold. This makes perfect sense imo. People being angry at this are weird.

Why does it matter?

I'll tell you why it matters.

People defended KS in the start because it put the power back in the Devs hands, not investors hands or publisher hands.

I remember all the talk back in the day about how this approach for games meant we'd get the true visions of the devs, not the market research driven approach a publisher would take.

That's all gone with shit like this. If in fact the KS is 1/10th the budget, who has final say on things? You don't know. Maybe it's Sony, maybe it's Yu who is given autonomy to use Sony's money how he see's fit.

KS used this way is pretty much a whale fishing excursion. Currently the Avg is $78.

Yes, people get something for that money. Yet the whole idea that you're funding something that wasn't getting funded is out the window.

Just call it a fucking pre-order then if that's what it is. That's mainly what KS has become.

What part of this not being funded without actual interest being gauged first didnt you understand? It wouldnt exist otherwise. Period.

 

[Kyoufu]

I don't understand how anyone can turn Shenmue 3 being greenlit as a negative thing. I really don't understand.

 

[FreddieQuell]

Why does it matter?

I'll tell you why it matters.

People defended KS in the start because it put the power back in the Devs hands, not investors hands or publisher hands.

I remember all the talk back in the day about how this approach for games meant we'd get the true visions of the devs, not the market research driven approach a publisher would take.

That's all gone with shit like this. If in fact the KS is 1/10th the budget, who has final say on things? You don't know. Maybe it's Sony, maybe it's Yu who is given autonomy to use Sony's money how he see's fit.

KS used this way is pretty much a whale fishing excursion. Currently the Avg is $78.

Yes, people get something for that money. Yet the whole idea that you're funding something that wasn't getting funded is out the window.

Just call it a fucking pre-order then if that's what it is. That's mainly what KS has become.

Well I guess this is a difference of opinion. I like kickstarter because it allows devs to make games that publisher don't want to make, whether they don't believe in it at all or they don't think it will be profitable.

And by the way, the median donation is 78$. About a third of the backers have spent more than $29 (for cool stuff, as you alluded to).

And why exactly do you think this would have gotten funding from Sony without the kickstarter?

 

[Krejlooc]

I don't know about anyone else but I feel like I paid $500 for Yu Suzuki's autograph and am just getting shenmue funded for free as a perk lol

 

[Wavebossa]

Or 3. You're not a fan of a multi billion dollar corporation pulling a fast one to have a game's development costs partially subsidized by consumers.

There is an inclination of some posters to try and dictate to others what imagined, self-defined purpose certain services have, and like hell are you going to go outside their parameters.

For example - Kickstarter is somehow only for small indies, and it can only be used if you have no funding anywhere else, and it has to be for special snowflake games, and only when your back is up against the wall, and only for the bare minimum you need.

Because they decided that's what kickstarter is, apparently.

I'm gonna apply this Krejlooc quote to every post in this thread...

 

[OrangeYouGlad]

Or 3. You're not a fan of a multi billion dollar corporation pulling a fast one to have a game's development costs partially subsidized by consumers.

To be fair, it was a slow one. I have no sympathy for people acting like the Kickstarter was announced, met its goal and Sony popped out from behind the curtain to reveal it was them all along.

 

[Onimusha78]

Or 3. You're not a fan of a multi billion dollar corporation pulling a fast one to have a game's development costs partially subsidized by consumers.

Willing to bet my left foot that 2 million isn't even a tenth of the cost it will take to get this game out. This is PR and marketing which Sony are the gods of right now

 

[kamakazi5]

I feel bad that this thread is my first ever here on GAF...

 

[zeshakag]

Guys, Shenmue was never a profitable franchise, Sony knows Yu's ambitions. They were not going to invest in this. Hindsight is 20/20 and nobody could really gauge interest without having fans sack up and out their money where their mouth is. This Kickstarter is literally responsible for Shenmue 3 getting a higher budget. Forum posts and hearsay that so many claim to be proper justification for a $30-$50 million investment for a 15 year old franchise, isn't proper grounds for spending that kind of money.Collection hasn't even started so if people are uncomfortable they can cancel their pledge. But the neat thing about Kickstarter is that they have rewards. They aren't just throwing away money by their own value standards, there are tangible things you get.

Kickstarter literally kickstarted this game. Shenmue 3 wouldn't happen without the Kickstarter, and an expensive Shenmue 3 makes most backers even happier.

 

[dancmc]

I am glad it is being made for all of its fans that cared so deeply about the first 2. I would say this about how the kickstarter was handled. If it was so innocent or simple why does it not feel so right. And before you say it's nust console wars I have no care for which console is the leader as I have them all and this did not feel right in my mind

 

[USC-fan]

hey atleast when you pay 60 you know what you're getting and it's printed on a disc.

Then do that.... lol

No one forcing you to buy it. I don't care what you do.

 

[silvermember]

I don't see this as a binary choice.

If it wasn't a binary choice how come it took so long for it to become a reality?