FranXico
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SEGA gave Yu Suzuki full permissions to use the Shenmue IP, as well as other SEGA IP for the arcade, I wouldn't belittle their support.
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Yu Suzuki: I expect individual backers to provide the majority of funds for Shenmue
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SEGA gave Yu Suzuki full permissions to use the Shenmue IP, as well as other SEGA IP for the arcade, I wouldn't belittle their support.
FranXico
Member
Let's hope that those YouTubers are well informed about the kickstarter to begin with.
The last thing Shenmue fans need is that the misinformation would spread even faster.
meanspartan
Member
Go make it eastern europe with cd projekt red, didnt they develop witcher 3 for under 30 mil or something? Shenmue 3 a third the size of Witcher 3 would be about right lol
King Gilga
Member
I don't do kickstarters.
But dayum it sure slowed down fast, isn't going to come close to 10 mil is it?
There are currently 45k backers @ $80 average each.
By the end, this kickstarter should have at least 60k backers, maybe more.
That should bring up the total to 4.6M dollars, let's say 5M.
So the average backer pledge needs to double from $80 to $160.
$10M/60,000 = $166 pledge.
If there are 80k backers at the end:
$10M / 80,000 = $125 pledge.
I Started Shenmue 1 and I liked the first 60 minutes but the loading times we so ridiculously horrible I couldn't go on. Pity, I might have backed this otherwise.
By the end, this kickstarter should have at least 60k backers, maybe more.
That should bring up the total to 4.6M dollars, let's say 5M.
So the average backer pledge needs to double from $80 to $160.
$10M/60,000 = $166 pledge.
If there are 80k backers at the end:
$10M / 80,000 = $125 pledge.
I Started Shenmue 1 and I liked the first 60 minutes but the loading times we so ridiculously horrible I couldn't go on. Pity, I might have backed this otherwise.
I would do this if I could find a way to directly capture and stream Shenmue from the Dreamcast.
There was a graph or something that showed that KS in general slow down after the first days but ramp up during the final days...
Maybe they can make 6 million in the final days =P
AstroNut325
Member
I didn't realize this, Yu is doing another AMA on Reddit right now:
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3ahcwf/i_am_yu_suzuki_new_posting/
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3ahcwf/i_am_yu_suzuki_new_posting/
meanspartan
Member
I think the problem with the KS goals is that once its reached, people think they dont need to donate more.
"Should I give $5? Nah they asked for two mil and already got 3, they're fine"
Cave Johnson
Member
The beauty of Shenmue is that it appreciates density over quantity. I don't like an open world game they is big for the sake of being big because it opens up design holes that had to fill in with meaningful content that can either be to abrasive to overwhelming implement. This is why's Shenue's backtracking could be much of a joy a it is to follow through your objectives.
meanspartan
Member
True, though witcher 3 is pretty dense.
Theonik
Member
Who said anything about making physical copies available for retail? They can do physical console as a KS exclusive unless a publisher steps in where they can do exclusive packaging for backers.
IrishNinja
Member
5 mill feels like it's in the bank, honestly...10 is reaching, but i gotta #BELIEVE
breakYODAy
Member
You're going to fault a 15 year old game running 17 year old hardware to its absolute limits for loading screens? Ok...
Yeah, I think the rooms in some Kwoloon buildings were procedurally generated too.
He was being intentionally vague. Before he mentioned the marketing help, he did say they'd "throw some scratch their way." I'd imagine they're helping, Adam just isn't allowed to discuss details
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Get on it guys!
WrenchNinja
Member
I'm not sure what you're laughing at. Me being wrong about how much they are investing doesn't suddenly make your bullshit argument right.
Kwansu Dudes
Member
This was actually the official one. The first one was an error.
Depending how strong this finishes, this might reach 6 mil, if it does maybe Sony will throw the 4 mil themselves, if not get more money elsewhere, maybe Deepsilver to publish the PC version, get some funding from there?
If we're a million away from 10 the last few days from the end I'm upping my pledge by another hundred.
No way am I going to let the dream crash and burn (Also thank you superior £ to $ difference.)
As many have said in this thread, I think improving their KS page would help them greatly to get people from outside the existing Shenmue fandom. It's currently not that bad, but after the great Bloodstained campaign, this one feels dated. First of all, their graphic design is all over the place, some banners are cool but some others are sloppy and wtf at the papyrus font used in the stretch goals. They reached the initial goal in less than 2 days but so far no "thank you" message, illustration or any update; interacting with the community is very important. I know Suzuki did the AMA, but some message in their own page would be cool.
I feel there should be more rewards and more reward tiers. The jackets are selling really fast, considering the price and that means that people are willing to spend with the right incentives. I think there's still plenty of time to get some proper community managers or something to improve the reach of this Kisckstarter and get probably not 10, but 6-7 million. I think it's doable with enough interaction.
I feel there should be more rewards and more reward tiers. The jackets are selling really fast, considering the price and that means that people are willing to spend with the right incentives. I think there's still plenty of time to get some proper community managers or something to improve the reach of this Kisckstarter and get probably not 10, but 6-7 million. I think it's doable with enough interaction.
wanderingprostheyltite
Member
Edit: disregard long day.
Theonik
Member
1) I am not sure what the alternative would have been. I mean honestly this was probably not happening otherwise. Personally I find the idea of putting it on gamer's backs a lot more appealing than stuff like Bloodstained but each to their own. What I really don't understand from this rhetoric however is how it is presumptuous to use a crowdfunding platform to crowdfund. Are you complaining about trying to finance a game that no publisher would especially not in the way Yu Suzuki had wanted finance through crowdfunding by crowdfunding?
2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzEt6yZPVcY&t=22m47s
3) I am not going to defend some of the mean-spirited comments here, I have been responsible for some of it myself I'm sure But you also need to understand that it's largely the result of the pure vitriol people have been pouring towards this project. I mean, nobody is saying you need to pledge. It's your money! People are over-reacting to perceived negativity towards the campaign and need to tone it down. But you need to weigh both sides here and probably not take comments at face value.
The PC version is already locked.
Dreamwriter
Member
I wish the image in the OP wasn't putting words into Yu Suzuki's mouth. Nowhere does he say or imply that without $10 million it won't be as good as the first two games, unless that info is somewhere other than the OP. Instead, he says it'll be an open-world game at $10 million, something that the other games were not. And something that sounds way too ambitious for a Shenmue game at only $10 million.
Theonik
Member
Dreamcast fans went to pretty much every platform under the sun. SEGA handled their third party transition pretty poorly in the way they spread their exclusives across platforms. But yes, it would have been nice if more versions could be made, but really Microsoft should be blamed for not taking action than the developers taking a shot at getting help that clearly no-one else was providing.
P.S. Xbox only got the second game.
Also, I'm baffled they did not partner with anyone to make and offer a documentary of the development process and the Shenmue franchise itself. I mean, the whole saga of Shenmue's rise and fall has enough drama to rival any soap opera, I would pay for a documentary even if there was no Shenmue 3.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
Member
Xbox only got part 2.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Yeah. DC fan here since day one (best console launch ever) went on to Sony and Nintendo after.
My only issue with how this KS is handled is that you have the choice between PC and PS4 versions at the $30 tier but only can do PC version at the $60 tier? Why?
My only issue with how this KS is handled is that you have the choice between PC and PS4 versions at the $30 tier but only can do PC version at the $60 tier? Why?
Playstation got neither.
Strange to think that even though the Kickstarter has made its $2 million goal, it's still, in a way, going to fail. =(
If they needed $10 million, then they should have made their goal $5 million at least to keep people interested/motivated.
At this rate, they'll finish out with $6 million if they're lucky.
If they needed $10 million, then they should have made their goal $5 million at least to keep people interested/motivated.
At this rate, they'll finish out with $6 million if they're lucky.
flipswitch
Member
Maybe if they hadn't talked as if Sony was covering the rest, the KS money wouldn't have slowed to a dead stop. Maybe they should have also made the funding required amount higher. This campaign does not seem all the well run compared to what we recently saw with Bloodstained.
Isn't that for the physical copy? It probably has to do with licensing and manufacturing fees. Those things don't exist on PC (well, you have to print your materials, but that stuff is relatively cheap).
That one is awesome, and that's why I think something produced by a third party with more interviews, images and footage from the advances on the new game could be very cool. I haven't seen the Broken Age doc yet (despite paying for it years ago, lol) but some people say it is better than the game itself.
Alec
Member
They need more rewards, period. Like...lemme redeem that UE4 tech-demo in Steam. I know it's nothing but Ryo and Shenhua walking around a forest but I'd shell out extra money for it.
They've lost almost all momentum it seems, and I think it's because of the lack of interesting reward tiers. Bloodstained was the most well-run KS campaign I've ever seen, someone needs to be taking cues from that.
They've lost almost all momentum it seems, and I think it's because of the lack of interesting reward tiers. Bloodstained was the most well-run KS campaign I've ever seen, someone needs to be taking cues from that.
Dr. Black Jack
Member
I'm waiting to see if they add a physical PS4 tier. If they don't by the last few days I'll put in for a physical PC version at the very least.
JonathanNemo
Member
Was there any overlap between Bloodstained and Mighty No. 9's Kickstarter campaigns? I keep on hearing the comparisons made between Shenmue III and Bloodstained, but I think Bloodstained built on some prior experience in running these things.
No need to be all is lost, here. I mean, Yu Suzuki really hasn't been making any public appearances until quite recently. It's nice to see him back. And surely the old Sega-AM2 folks have a lot to learn from the Kickstarter market and the community management sides of things.
Wherever this train goes, I'm interested to see it through. It's nice that people want to push this campaign as far as it will go, just hope things don't go super overboard there.
No need to be all is lost, here. I mean, Yu Suzuki really hasn't been making any public appearances until quite recently. It's nice to see him back. And surely the old Sega-AM2 folks have a lot to learn from the Kickstarter market and the community management sides of things.
Wherever this train goes, I'm interested to see it through. It's nice that people want to push this campaign as far as it will go, just hope things don't go super overboard there.
StrangerInTheAlps
Member
They're going about this all wrong. I'm sure there's probably some kind of agreement that prevents them from doing so, but they really need to negotiate to get a PS4 physical copy as a reward, stat. Backers may double-dip on a retail copy, but this is at the expense of the game being deprived of funding now. The only way this game is going to be profitable at retail is to draw in new players, and that's not gonna happen if the game ends up being kinda bare bones (though it may not happen regardless).
Sony's the one actually helping with the project whether that be with helping port to PS4/marketing/bit of extra cash, nothing from MS as far as we know. So it makes a lot of sense.
Kwansu Dudes
Member
Yu approached Sony himself, so it does make sense that Sony is the one helping him. Someone should ask if he ever tried approaching Microsoft.
i'm actually kind of let down that Sony isn't paying for the rest. 10 million is a lot.
Most kick starters rush out the gate, slow down and then rush to finish in the last 5 day. Still, 10 million is alot. I don't know if its going to get that high.
Most kick starters rush out the gate, slow down and then rush to finish in the last 5 day. Still, 10 million is alot. I don't know if its going to get that high.
Jackbooted
Member
Would it be at all possible to add a stretch goal if reached would bring it to XB1? That might help generate some interest again to help push it over the limit. With Sony's limited involvement is there anything preventing this from happening?