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Picture, videos, and thousand of eye witness accounts yea OK. What do you want to go out and catch a ghost in a cage? If you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't there.

why the hell can't the supernatural be an explanation itself? The supernatural is science. It's just something we don't understand ATM and your making it seem like magic at a kids party.

Anything supernatural is by definition not actually real. If it were, it would be natural.

So, if there were to be actual evidence (and an actual definition, lol) for 'ghosts' then they would be of the natural world.

And the fact remains that there is no reproducible unfalsifiable evidence for ghosts out there.

 

[Rivitur]

You have a very distorted view on what is and isn't science or "evidence".

If pictures and video are proof enough, then does Superman exist? I have books full of pictures of him, and several movies showing him as a real person. How about Bigfoot? There are plenty of pics and videos of those guys running around America, but do any of them make Bigfoot a real entity? Do crop circles prove the existence of aliens and UFO's?


Please, please don't say yes to any of that....

That argument makse no sense. You are not real then because you have been seen by people bit I have not seen you in real life. People have taken picture of you and video but still you are not real because I have not experienced you. Now take a step back view this argument from the other side to understand it.

 

[vityaz]

First half is a contradiction and picture and video is evidence.

Second half is attemptong to be explained but people wrote off the people who are trying to explain it as not scientist or just crazy people because they aren't paid by the government and don't wear lab coats.

Pictures and videos doesn't always hold up to scrutiny though. And even if there's an unexplainable video, it does not mean that it's surely a ghost. It's much more likely a natural phenomenon, a smudge/bug on the lens, tampered with etc, based on the actual science we know.

You don't have to work for the government, or wear a lab coat. There are lots of scientists out there in the world who does neither, but uses the scientific method to test, explore and explain things, that others will also be able to the same with and come to their own conclusion.

 

[riskVSreward]

First half is a contradiction and picture and video is evidence.

Second half is attemptong to be explained but people wrote off the people who are trying to explain it as not scientist or just crazy people because they aren't paid by the government and don't wear lab coats.

Scientists are people in lab coats paid by the government... Open a science book sometime, damn.

That argument makse no sense. You are not real then because you have been seen by people bit I have not seen you in real life. People have taken picture of you and video but still you are not real because I have not experienced you. Now take a step back view this argument from the other side to understand it.

He's a human, we have tons of evidence of humans existing.

 

[Rivitur]

Pictures and videos doesn't always hold up to scrutiny though. And even if there's an unexplainable video, it does not mean that it's surely a ghost. It's much more likely a natural phenomenon, a smudge/bug on the lens, tampered with etc, based on the actual science we know.

Yes because I'm sure a bug up close can be mistaken for a full body apparition with clear human qualities with only the torso showing.

Scientists are people in lab coats paid by the government... Open a science book sometime, damn.

*Woosh*

 

[riskVSreward]

*Woosh*

Exactly. You dont know what the fuck you're talking about.

 

[MikeDip]

Yes because I'm sure a bug up close can be mistaken for a full body apparition with clear human qualities with only the torso showing.

*Woosh*

What the heck are you talking about?

I don't understand you one bit. Whoosh what?

 

[Mengy]

Yes because I'm sure a bug up close can be mistaken for a full body apparition with clear human qualities with only the torso showing.

*Woosh*

So you've seen picture or video proof of ghosts? Could you show us some please? Because I've yet to see anything even remotely concrete showing that ghosts are real, and I even worked for 5 years in what I would call a very "haunted" restaurant. Every pic or video I've ever seen showing a ghost was pathetic and supremely questionable in nature. Oh and "orbs" don't count!

 

[super-heated plasma]

Do it, this sounds pretty wild. Reminds me of the poster here who found that picture of the kid on a chair wearing lingerie. Really creepy. I think it was Lamonster.

look a couple pages back and you will see I posted his story about it. Also, its far too easy to fake photo and even video evidence nowadays. Hello After Effects.

 

[Rivitur]

I was viewing it from the otherside m8. He told me to open a book but I know that not all scientist work for the government. My point was scientist ccome from all parts of the world no matter if you work out of your house or a lab if you are making a effort into discovering someting in the world then you have the right to be a scientist. So for people to say hhost hunters are really scinetist is ignorant. So actually read the prior comments please.

And there is something called YouTube for your viewing pleasure. (In b4 you view the most obviously staged video to help your argument.)

 

[riskVSreward]

So you've seen picture or video proof of ghosts? Could you show us some please? Because I've yet to see anything even remotely concrete showing that ghosts are real, and I even worked for 5 years in what I would call a very "haunted" restaurant. Every pic or video I've ever seen showing a ghost was pathetic and supremely questionable in nature. Oh and "orbs" don't count!

 

[Veritigo_X]

I would love to see a picture or video of a ghost. Post some Rivitur, this will be a monumental moment in history.

 

[vityaz]

Yes because I'm sure a bug up close can be mistaken for a full body apparition with clear human qualities with only the torso showing.

Because a random picture you find on the net is proof that something that goes against our scientific understand is actual reality?

Do you believe there's actually a huge face on Mars that is something more than just random geography we interpret as a face? Look up pareidolia, we're masters at finding patterns everywhere, we are supposed to. We've also gotten pretty good at faking images and videos lately.

 

[Rivitur]

Because a random picture you find on the net is proof that something that goes against our scientific understand is actual reality?

Do you believe there's actually a huge face on Mars that is something more than just random geography we interpret as a face? Look up pareidolia, we're masters at finding patterns everywhere, we are supposed to. We've also gotten pretty good at faking images and videos lately.

Oh but those video and pictures were taken by people in the real world who happened to upload it to the internet. So by uplaoding something to the internet it loses all credibility. Damn you media why must you tell me what's real and what isn't!?

 

[Veritigo_X]

Oh but those video and pictures were taken by people in the real world who happened to upload it to the internet. So by uplaoding something to the internet it loses all credibility. Damn you media why must you tell me what's real and what isn't!?

You know of pictures and videos of ghosts and you aren't posting them? This is why people don't believe.

 

[riskVSreward]

Oh but those video and pictures were taken by people in the real world who happened to upload it to the internet. So by uplaoding something to the internet it loses all credibility. Damn you media why must you tell me what's real and what isn't!?

How can you have such a healthy skepticism and still believe in ghosts? Theres no good evidence for ghosts, sorry.

There have been trillions of life forms to walk the Earth before us, whatever the qualifications are to becoming a ghost, even if only 0.000001% of things that die become a ghost, we would be tripping over ghosts all day long. You wouldn't be able to go a day without seeing one. People have claimed to see ghost animals too, gotta add those into the mix. Not to mention all the ludicrous inanimate object ghosts people have claimed to see like ghost ships or trains. If ghosts existed we would know for sure by now, it wouldn't be this mysterious.

How do you explain ghost ships anyway? The restless spirit of old repurposed trees can't accept that they sunk into the ocean?

 

[MikeDip]

Oh but those video and pictures were taken by people in the real world who happened to upload it to the internet. So by uplaoding something to the internet it loses all credibility. Damn you media why must you tell me what's real and what isn't!?

You have no idea what you are talking about and keep missing the point.

You say things about deserving to be a scientist or whatever but have no idea about the scientific method.

There is no proof of ghosts. It does not exist. Your youtube videos you keep talking about are meaningless. Your anecdotal life experiences are meaningless. It's not proof.

 

[Rivitur]

Here's a famous one. There are experts in photography who have already determined there was no Photoshop going on here because the picture is so old. In b4 matrixing argument.


Here's an experiment for you guys.
But a Ouija board and send your Friend down to a cemetery with a camera. That way you aren't like oh my mind just wants to see it and the person in this video just wants to trick me.

 

[riskVSreward]

Here's a famous one. There are experts in photography who have already determined there was no Photoshop going on here because the picture is so old. In b4 matrixing argument.

Lol, that doesnt even look like a human. It could just be light or double exposure, old camera tech isnt as good as what we have now.

You cant be serious...

 

[Veritigo_X]

Here's a famous one. There are experts in photography who have already determined there was no Photoshop going on here because the picture is so old. In b4 matrixing argument.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Lady_of_Raynham_Hall#Skeptical_reception

Just because it's old doesn't mean it isn't fake. http://www.metmuseum.org/exhibitions/listings/2012/faking-it

Here's an experiment for you guys.
But a Ouija board and send your Friend down to a cemetery with a camera. That way you aren't like oh my mind just wants to see it and the person in this video just wants to trick me.

Nevermind, you're obviously joking.

 

[ilium]

Here's a famous one. There are experts in photography who have already determined there was no Photoshop going on here because the picture is so old. In b4 matrixing argument.

You keep throwing the word science around a lot, but I don't think actually understand what it means.
Besides, photo manipulation is as old as photography itself.

 

[Rivitur]

Go watch ghost adventures.

Bring on the they aren't scientist argument because I've already gone through that.

 

[MikeDip]

Here's an experiment for you guys.
But a Ouija board and send your Friend down to a cemetery with a camera. That way you aren't like oh my mind just wants to see it and the person in this video just wants to trick me.

Hahahaha really?

Why not bring a copy of Agricola instead? Or Ticket to Ride? If ghosts are into board games let's bring some fun ones.

 

[vityaz]

Here's a famous one. There are experts in photography who have already determined there was no Photoshop going on here because the picture is so old. In b4 matrixing argument.


Here's an experiment for you guys.
But a Ouija board and send your Friend down to a cemetery with a camera. That way you aren't like oh my mind just wants to see it and the person in this video just wants to trick me.

Wow, you can't be real about this, you're joking right? And did you do this yourself, lol.

 

[riskVSreward]

Go watch ghost adventures.

Bring on the they aren't scientist argument because I've already gone through that.

Just admit you're a poe so I can go on with my day.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

I think it's interesting that ghost evidence follows the tropes of the era. Like, there would never be a ghost picture today of a figure in a white sheet or robe.

I guess even ghosts have their fashion trends.

 

[Rivitur]

Hahahaha really?

Why not bring a copy of Agricola instead? Or Ticket to Ride? If ghosts are into board games let's bring some fun ones.

So are you throwing this experiment out before trying it? You can't be serious.

Just admit you're a poe so I can go on with my day.

You don't know what the "&#$ you are talking about.

;D

 

[riskVSreward]

So are you throwing this experiment out before trying it? You can't be serious.

Its not an experiment, its lunacy.

Why don't you respond to the actual rebuttals to your claims instead of ignoring them?

 

[Veritigo_X]

So are you throwing this experiment out before trying it? You can't be serious.

I don't think you can call that an experiment. That's playing a game in a graveyard. Very disrespectful to the families of the deceased that are buried there.

wouldnt youtube be swarmed with ghost videos if it was that easy to lure them out? there are ourja boards and cemeteries literally everywhere. there would probably be a ghosttube by now. or spooktube.

You just gave me a great idea for a startup. I'll be rich!

 

[Moff]

wouldnt youtube be swarmed with ghost videos if it was that easy to lure them out? there are ourja boards and cemeteries literally everywhere. there would probably be a ghosttube by now. or spooktube.

 

[vityaz]

Just admit you're a poe so I can go on with my day.

He realized his arguments were stupid, and now takes it to the extreme to make it look like he was trolling all along.

 

[Rivitur]

Its not an experiment, its lunacy.

Many scientists have been called crazy over the years. Do you think the understanding of the body just happens without experiments? And we have yet to fully understand our own body.


Btw I'm out numbered here so I can't take all of you on because no matter what I say each of you will come to each others aid. It's an ignorance shield one man cannot destroy.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

I've used a ouija board quite a few times with friends when I was younger. It's neat, never saw any ghosts or anything supernatural besides giving everyone a case of the hibblie-jibblies.

 

[Pops Maellard]

That argument makse no sense. You are not real then because you have been seen by people bit I have not seen you in real life. People have taken picture of you and video but still you are not real because I have not experienced you. Now take a step back view this argument from the other side to understand it.

Wait, are you suggesting that the existence of ghosts is something that merits a debate and should not be immediately discounted as completely nonsensical?

 

[riskVSreward]

Many scientists have been called crazy over the years. Do you think the understanding of the body just happens without experiments? And we have yet to fully understand our own body.


Btw I'm out numbered here so I can't take all of you on because no matter what I say each of you will come to each others aid. It's an ignorance shield one man cannot destroy.

The amount of people opposed to you makes no difference, truth stands alone.

 

[ilium]

My point was scientist ccome from all parts of the world no matter if you work out of your house or a lab if you are making a effort into discovering someting in the world then you have the right to be a scientist. So for people to say hhost hunters are really scinetist is ignorant.

At this point I think you are actually trolling. I mean, you can't really believe that what I quoted in bold is what makes you a scientist, right?

 

[Rivitur]

Riv

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u know i luv u bb

BUT

Explain hauntings in a brand new house on Indian burial grounds.

 

[MikeDip]

So are you throwing this experiment out before trying it? You can't be serious.

You don't know what the "&#$ you are talking about.

;D

"experiment"

And you still aren't getting it. My anecdotal experience wouldn't mean jack anyways. Also, please never use Ouija boards as a serious argument again you are making yourself look absolutely ridiculous.

 

[riskVSreward]

Explain hauntings in a brand new house on Indian burial grounds.

They aren't real.

Explained.

 

[Rivitur]

The amount of people opposed to you makes no difference, truth stands alone.

I'll be sure to write this down on my Christmas cards as I send it to independent scientist.

They aren't real.

Explained.

That lack of proof.

 

[EraldoCoil]

So did OP ever find anything?

 

[MikeDip]

I'll be sure to write this down on my Christmas cards as I send it to independent scientist.

That lack of proof.

What the heck are you talking about man??

 

[riskVSreward]

I'll be sure to write this down on my Christmas cards as I send it to independent scientist.

Lets be real, you dont know any scientists.

 

[Rivitur]

What are the details of those hauntings?

I mean, I'll believe in anything with sufficient evidence. But every time I look into something supposedly supernatural, it's either clearly an intentional hoax, a product of mental illness, or so vague that you could chalk it up to night terrors or something similar.

I would like you to get on the phone and ask your mother about and supernatural experiences she's had. I'll wait here.

Lets be real, you dont know any scientists.

I'm sorry you are?

 

[riskVSreward]

That lack of proof.

The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.

Can you prove unicorns don't exist? Dragons? Ghost wood?

 

[Rivitur]

Are... are you implying that she has had a supernatural experience...

with you?

man i can't handle sick burns like this

Not what I was imply but congrats on putting your self as a child. At leat now I know I can disregard your argument in this discussion.

The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.

Can you prove unicorns don't exist? Dragons? Ghost wood?

No, I can't can you?

 

[riskVSreward]

Not what I was imply but congrats on putting your self as a child. At leat now I know I can disregard your argument in this discussion.

Your mental faculties are embarassing. I feel embarassed for you.

No, I can't can you?

I dont claim that they exist. I have no burden of proof.

 

[Rivitur]

Your mental faculties are embarassing. I feel embarassed for you.

Thanks mom I'll be home at 7

 

[MikeDip]

Tnhe burden of proof is on the one making the claim.

Can you prove unicorns don't exist? Dragons? Ghost wood?

Mate those are all real you just haven't found the right boardgame they enjoy. Have you tried playing Settlers of Catan on the 4th floor of an apartment built over old dinosaur bones?

 

[Sajjaja]

I came here for spooky stories, not y'all opinions on femin-uhh the super natural.