Was mostly said in jest but MH5 being PS4 wouldn't surprise me one bit, on the other hand...
... I don't see Youkai Watch going PS4 any time soon. Mobile is the next Level 5 home.
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Yuji Horii: Dragon Quest 11 will be an offline game, for home consoles
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Was mostly said in jest but MH5 being PS4 wouldn't surprise me one bit, on the other hand...
... I don't see Youkai Watch going PS4 any time soon. Mobile is the next Level 5 home.
Why do you think Monster Hunter would be an either/or? If they wanted to they could have a 3ds and ps4 version of MH at the same time. Now the ps4 version would probably get slaughtered in Japan but I could see them trying since they are going to need to upgrade their models soon anyway.
OrbitalBeard
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It would only surprise me because MH is incredibly popular in Japan as a handheld series. If it weren't for that, I wouldn't be shocked at all to see MH5 on PS4.
It could be that they aren't sacrificing it to help PS4 adoption in Japan but to help adoption of the series in the West. They've been trying to sell MH to westerners but that will never be at any significant scale if it's only a handheld series.
They may release a handheld version still for Japan and release a PS4 version for the west like what many of the other hunting games are doing now.
OrbitalBeard
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Monster Hunter became successful in the west on Nintendo hardware. Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate in particular, is by far the most successful entry in the series outside of Japan.
If MH5 comes to PS4, Capcom would be sacrificing Japan for a potentially small gain in Europe and North America.
Maybe they would make mainline MH multiplatform but I don't see it happening.
It's weird that this discussion is still happening, honestly. I thought Stories and X made it clear that Capcom is still very much committed to Nintendo but I guess hope springs eternal.
Waste of resources. If you know the product will get slaughtered in its largest market, why make it? Its not like "Monster Hunter with a HD budget will sell as well as Destiny" in the west.
Moreover, the tepid fanbase for the franchise is on the 3DS from recent titles.
You're talking relative success.
KZObsessed
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Well we at least know their aim is to develop the game for a console/multiple consoles. And I can't think of any scenario (that makes sense) where there won't be a PS4 version. Stranger things have happened I'm sure but I feel safe assuming it'll definitely be on PS4.
Yeah, it does seem unlikely. Maybe it'll be best if we just assume it's been cancelled and wont be coming. I suppose there's a small chance if Sony has some involvement like they seem to have with a few of these Japanese titles but might lead to less disappointment if we just wipe that hint from memory.
Why? Even if those games ends up not meeting sale expectations in Japan, they can be really succesful in the West.
That's something SE realized too after the critical and commercial success of Bravely Default (admitted by Matsuda's himself), hence the shift back to traditional console games of the recent years.
So, even if their home country is doomed, JRPGs can still live in the West.
Because with the new nintendo handheld on the horizon and smartphones getting bigger screens they are going to have to put some money into new models eventually. Why not try to get Sony to help cut some of the costs on it by helping with the ps4 push. Plus who knows maybe it would sale well in the west.
The Last One
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sörine;170873627 said:
Why would they do this? Both series are handheld centric. Besides, There are rumors for ps4 MH games, and L-5 is currently developing a ps4 game too.
OrbitalBeard
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sörine;170874893 said:lol, I'm sorry I brought up MH and YW. Which will both obviously migrate to NX.
Without a doubt. Although I do see Level 5 bringing YW to mobile at some point as well. And by that I mean in a bigger way than what Capcom has done with MH.
nckillthegrimace
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If it's a PS3 or PS4 game, then I don't understand why DQVIII was remade for the 3DS. You'd think that would be easier to put on a console, and it would make sense to have more than just DQH games on those consoles to prepare the audience.
But as long as it gets localized, I'm happy. Another benefit of a PS4 version is that we get to see a certain Wired employee jam a crow in his mouth. That's always fun.
But as long as it gets localized, I'm happy. Another benefit of a PS4 version is that we get to see a certain Wired employee jam a crow in his mouth. That's always fun.
PumpkinSpice
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Japanese translated to French translated to English; yeah I think something might be lost somewhere.
Psycho_Mantis
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SE is certainly going all in on the PS4.
The franchise is a handheld/mobile one. Capcom has all the reason to make new models they can reuse between handhelds and mobile, than trying to transplant their fanbase not only across brands but across form factors.
Also, do you think Nintendo wouldn't also be willing to pay for that? They'd have an easier argument to make too, lol. That said, we've had this discussion before and that was where my "quote" came from. (Production values on the PS4 would be orders larger than the 3DS/NX/Mobile, so you have to take that into consideration.)
The market for HD remasters doesn't seem to be as big as for ports/remakes to portable systems and Horii said big budget remakes aren't their thing just today.
DQVIII 3D might sell a million which wouldn't happen for a PS3/4 version.
EDIT: Saying that I was very surprised when DQVIII 3DS was announced.
How are you so sure that they'll migrate to the NX? Are we even sure that's going to be a big hit in Japan?
Mobile is the obvious choice.
Hmmm, what about DQX? What were the sales on all three systems it released on (3DS/Wii U/PC)? I know as an MMO it would be different but I'm curious how it sold.
Wii still may the most popular platform.
OrbitalBeard
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Scientist Supreme!
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Besides thinking only one game (kingdom hearts) doing great business over here, you make games for your target audience. Japanese games are usually made for a Japanese audience with a few exceptions. If these games don't meet sale expectations in Japan then they should change their games aesthetic and gameplay to fit a western market. Might as well go all in at that point.
The FFRing interview says:
Which is: "Dragon Quest XI, for example, will be designed for home console, since it will be created with the controller in mind."
Nintendo is weird they have a stance against paying third parties for stuff so that's why I figured Capcom could get more funds out of Sony to do a ps4 version. Also I don't know how much more the production values would be it depends on what engine they used. The art assets would definitely be more but you could also scale that all down for any future projects and be good for another decade. Anyway I was just pointing out that Capcom can do multiple MH projects at the same time just like how they have multiple DQ projects going.
Conrad Link
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If thats the case you can bet the house on PS4 (and maybe PS3?).
Huge gain for Sony, blow for Nintendo for sure. Consoles may be less popular in Japan than in the old days but I'm sure once a good selection of games hit shelves that they actually want things will turn towards decent again - and that is looking to be the PS4 with all the announced stuff for it lately.
Not sure what Nintendo can do really, SE don't care about the Wii U at all so if it isn't handheld they're not getting anything. Can't see the possible NX making a difference either. SE seem to be focused on championing PS4.
Huge gain for Sony, blow for Nintendo for sure. Consoles may be less popular in Japan than in the old days but I'm sure once a good selection of games hit shelves that they actually want things will turn towards decent again - and that is looking to be the PS4 with all the announced stuff for it lately.
Not sure what Nintendo can do really, SE don't care about the Wii U at all so if it isn't handheld they're not getting anything. Can't see the possible NX making a difference either. SE seem to be focused on championing PS4.
PumpkinSpice
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It literally says living room console, but I imagine in Japanese he said something like "テレビゲーム" (TV game) which I've seen used for both home consoles and handhelds.
I'll just wait for an actual announcement before speculating further.
Nintendo pays for plenty of things with Monster Hunter (and other studios and certain projects). Who do you think promoted the title in the west or in Japan with a console-refresh launch?
Capcom is in no position for multiple high-budget projects. At all.
nckillthegrimace
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That's true. The recent DMC4 PS4 remake didn't do so great in Japan. With all these 3DS DQ remakes, however, there's a certain whiff of stringing people along that I don't like.
DiipuSurotu
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On Twitter the interviewer explained that Horii didn't explicitly say "home" consoles, but that when he (Horii) talked about DQIX he explicitly said handheld consoles.
https://twitter.com/BastienPean/status/617015082283876356
Palette Swap
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We discussed this a few pages back and according to the interviewer, while Horii only said consoles in the broadest sense, the interviewer inferred the home console part from two things:
- Horii specifically said "portable" when discussing DQIX, not the generic term he used when discussing XI.
- Horii apparently mentioned "controllers" and not just "buttons".
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Jpop
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This is the exact same argument people made for Me on the Vita when it was announced for the 3DS. Guess what the Vita still has no MH.
What? They still made like 53 Millions dollars last year even with bombs like Gaist Crusher. Capcom has plenty of funds to use toward additional games. Also I got that from Nintendo saying they don't pay third parties for exclusives.
The Vita was dead in the water long before Capcom would have considered putting a MH on there. However that is different anyway. 2 handheld versions of MH would compete with each other. A console version of MH is not going to compete with a handheld version.
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Jpop
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Nintendo not paying for exclusivity does not mean Nintendo doesn't offer incentives to 3rd parties.
There is no version of MH for consoles anymore. The mainline series which were on consoles has now replaced the portable series and moved to handhelds.
Capcom would literally have to create a new MH series for a game that would struggle to break 1m in Japan. In what world does that make sense. Also the Vita being "dead" at the time was still outperforming the PS4.
Anyways I'm gonna stop and not go further with your derail.
Alright dude I am not sure why you are so upset with the idea that Capcom might release a MH game on the PS4 but you win PS4 MH is never going to happen long live the 3ds. Now what is your opinion on DQ11 possibly being a ps4 game?
Jesus no, SE already tried that, and we got FFXIII as a result.
And no, recent years are showing the exact opposite: that western gamers are interested in japanese games because their unique designs and aesthetics.
Also, i'm sure that FFXV will sell as well as KHIII, and FFVIIR will easily outsold both.
MatrixMan.EXE
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sörine;170873627 said:
I don't think this is comparable. Dragon Quest has a history on consoles. Yokai Watch is a new IP that started on 3DS. Monster Hunter wasn't a big popular hit until it dropped on PSP.
Dragon Quest XI being on consoles makes more sense than those games being on consoles do. But to your point earlier, I do agree that it'll likely be a PS4/PS3 game.
The Last One
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It's funny how some people only notice the supposed "port begging" but not how the topic was even started
Palette Swap
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Over the last 24 hours, we've learned that:
- we're (probably) getting DQXI on PS3/4
- we're (probably) getting DQ VII and VIII on 3DS in the West
- we're getting Zero Escape 3 on 3DS and Vita
So why are we console warring? This is our best shot at peace, guys!
- we're (probably) getting DQXI on PS3/4
- we're (probably) getting DQ VII and VIII on 3DS in the West
- we're getting Zero Escape 3 on 3DS and Vita
So why are we console warring? This is our best shot at peace, guys!
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Jpop
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I'm not it just isn't realistic.
I don't see SQE giving up the 3DS user base in Japan. They've already built up the fan base with multiple spinoff and remakes. If DQ7/8 release in the West on the 3DS I see it even less likely that DQXI will be a PS4 game.
Scientist Supreme!
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Idk why you think FFXIII is a western aesthetic besides realistic character models but nevertheless time will tell.
Might have something to do with the fact that it's a Dragon Quest thread maybe? Just maybe, I don't know, brain storming and all here.
I see it as Horii wanting to make another console game. Sometimes people are not the most rational of creatures and being that he started on the famicom I could see him wanting to have a bigger budget experience than he has had in a while. But yeah purely on user base this is an odd move.
Psycho_Mantis
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If its on PS4 it will be on PS3.
The Last One
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I don't care, the topic was initiated by the "non port begging people". You should be mad at them.
Then I don't know why you bothered replying then?
Doesn't matter who started it anyway, it's obviously ran on from the same people who argue the same shit in Monster Hunter threads. Is it not enough for people to do it there? I don't get why it's needed here.
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