Pennywise83
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The fact that DQXI will appear at least on PS4 was stated crystal clear in one of my first post right in this topic. And yes, people might debate over it is a reasonable decision or not.
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Yuji Horii: Dragon Quest 11 will be an offline game, for home consoles
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The fact that DQXI will appear at least on PS4 was stated crystal clear in one of my first post right in this topic. And yes, people might debate over it is a reasonable decision or not.
I'd be kind of annoyed if it still tried to release for PS3, because we all know that concessions have to be made with development time to optimize for both and often it holds back the stronger system.
We're entering the post-PS3 age where people should really be considering picking up a current gen system if they haven't already. I know I've shelved mine even though I have a huge library of PS3 games, mostly because it's starting to sound like a jet engine. (and yes I've taken it apart and cleaned it, it's just old.)
It might reach a larger install base now, but I somehow doubt a significant portion of users would be picking it up for PS3 in 2016.
I don't really have a problem with Japanese cross-gen titles. If DQXI turns out to be something like DQVIII then who would really complain? It'd look pretty and probably be a massive game in scope also, so why bother being angry when not all that long ago most assumed DQXI would be on 3DS only.
Vincent Grayson
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Care to elaborate why?
to avoid thread derail , you can just edit your post
Make sense, i on the other hand will rather this gen last longer . PS4 development cost is too high for most Japaneses companies so they mostly looks like higher resolution PS3 games anyway . i don't mind an game with lesser IQ as long as its still as fun.
It felt slow and looked terrible, IMO. TBH, ToHr is the first handheld Tales game I've enjoyed at all.
clay_ghost
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Are you talking about the same game? Battle is fast and the art style is beautiful. Let see a random you tube video.
Start at around 2:05.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM1UA-Ik-tE
The battle system is the main reason i prefers the DS game too ,its just behind Tales of Rebirth and tales of grace for best battle system to me.
This is not mentioning all the others points that i made about why the R game is worst too .
Vincent Grayson
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Apparently we're not. I was thinking of Tales of Innocence. I guess I never did play the original version of Hearts.
I think, practically, the alternative was a handheld game so I think people sad about cross gen are sort of missing the point anyway. You're still getting a pretty big technical jump.
MatrixMan.EXE
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Aye I think people forget the last mainline Dragon Quest game on consoles was a PS2 game. Even getting a PS3 level upgrade at 1080p on PS4 would look fantastic.
And even if it were next generation only I doubt it'd be taking advantage of the hardware any way. It'll be a big step up from DQ VIII and IX. That's all that matters.
I wouldn't make the game for the WiiU, I would make it for 3DS, where the RPG fanbase is (unlike say, Sony's PS4). Hell the DQ fanbase IS on 3DS and outside of DQ4r, DQ5r, DQ7 and DQ8, every other DQ game (mainline or spinoff, save for that musou game) was on a Nintendo system. It's also interesting to note that every single mainline DQ game has been released (or will be) on a Nintendo system.
But anyway, the DQ fanbase goes where the games go. But to believe even for a split second that a PS4 release makes sense when DQ is irrelevant outside of Japan (save for DQ9 thanks to... Nintendo) is beyond delusional, especially with the state of console gaming in Japan.
I'm still a believer of a misstranslation and that the game wasn't designed around "a controler" (thus implying a home console version) but around "control buttons".
Releasing FFXV, KH3 or even some b-tier games like SO5 and ToZ or C-tier games like Nier 2 on PS4 makes sense since their worldwide fanbase exists on Sony's systems (except maybe for Nier 2, which is a big unkown) but DQ11? Yeah I don't buy it working outside of Japan with the way SE has misshandled the franchise.
lol Nier is C tier.
Why would people think Dragon Quest XI would come out on 3DS, or even VITA, when Yuji Horii specifically said home consoles?
VITA maaaybe, as technically there's a home console variant of it, PlayStation TV, but 3DS ?
Come on.
My prediction:
-PS3 in 720p | 30fps
-PS4 in 1080p | 60fps, higher-res textures and some other visual improvements. Longer draw distances, faster loading, etc.
I'm thinking 50/50 chance of a VITA version.
VITA maaaybe, as technically there's a home console variant of it, PlayStation TV, but 3DS ?
Come on.
My prediction:
-PS3 in 720p | 30fps
-PS4 in 1080p | 60fps, higher-res textures and some other visual improvements. Longer draw distances, faster loading, etc.
I'm thinking 50/50 chance of a VITA version.
Infernostew
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MatrixMan.EXE
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So if Square Enix, the owners of the IP, feel that the PS4/PS3 is the best business decision for their plans for the franchise, are they also delusional? As I say, you don't know what their intentions for the IP's future are. Growth in the west? Helping to inject a bit of life into the Japanese console market? Who knows, but clearly Square Enix have a plan for DQ and Playstation, and I'd say it's probably more informed than a bunch of arm chair analysts on GAF looking at nothing but Media Create numbers to determine what's best for a multi million dollar publisher to do with their multi million dollar franchise.
I completely see the reason why Dragon Quest on 3DS makes the most sense, purely from a sales perspective. But these aren't the only things that inform what platforms games are put on. So if you'd refrain from the thinly veiled insult, that'd be grand.
Also, as a Japanese speaker, I find it incredibly hard to believe that when translating the script, the translator got controller and controller buttons confused. They sound pretty different, but hey, human error is a fascinating thing.
I don't mind what it comes out on, I mean I imported a Japanese 3DS specifically to play DQVII, but I'm not really a fan of the idea that Dragon Quest XI being on anything but 3DS makes no sense. It's completely irrational, because the implication is that it would bomb on other systems. If it was PC or XB1 exclusive then yeah, it probably would. But PS4/PS3 and potentially Vita? It'll be fine.
My only issue with Dragon Quest skipping Nintendo platforms for the foreseeable future is that there probably won't be a way to play the games on a proper handheld once the Vita is phased out. If there was any indication of a Vita successor or some kind of iPhone-like hardware refresh, I wouldn't care whether the series was on Nintendo or PS.
sensui-tomo
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They are still making vita games in japan, hell DQ heroes 2 is going to be on vita, its just had dead/no support in the west, iirc Vita has more units sold than the wii-u does over in japan.. I'd need to find the source to back that up though. So they could still work with Vita.
orthodoxy1095
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It's not optimal as a solution but hopefully they'll keep allowing the PSV to remote play PS4 games.
It's not only not optimal, it's useless for us commute players :[
What about a multi... er, multi-company release? PS4 and 3DS would make sense, wouldn't it? EX Troopers kind of did this.
Sammy Samusu
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His post was 100% accurate.
I think you are the only one being "salty" here.
There's a big difference between "I want DQ on the 3DS" and "DQ would sell more on the 3DS".
Primethius
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100% would mean that DQ isn't coming to PS4.
After everything Verendus has posted, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the post isn't 100% accurate.
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Jpop
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I'd rather it be on the 3DS/PS3(4)/Wii U/Vita
I'd hate losing my dual screen setup, it's my favorite feature about RPG on the DS/3DS
I'd hate losing my dual screen setup, it's my favorite feature about RPG on the DS/3DS
Infernostew
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This concern for SE is hilarious. So much fear going on in this thread. As for me being salty, I have no reason. I'm just enjoying the show.
orthodoxy1095
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Why, yes, compared to DQ/FF/TalesOf/Star Ocean, it's a c-tier franchise *at best* that ended up in bargain bins within months of release.
You have no idea what salty means. And before calling people salty because they believe releasing a game on a specific plateform that has seen every single DQ release for the past 11 years makes the most sense then I have little hope for your ability to grasp subtle notions like "logic".
On side not, I have little doubt that my saltyness never hindered me from having a PS collection that dwarfs most people on gaf.. oh so salty.
Sammy Samusu
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Fularu never denied DQXI for PS4, he is just saying it doesn't make any sense, and he is right.
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Jpop
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All those titles are c ier when compared to DQ though. Maybe not FF we'll see how badly the brand was damaged by XIII in Japan next year I guess.
Primethius
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I saw a mention of him thinking that this was all a mistranslation (and thus, negating a console version) as implying exactly that.
I honestlty believe FF XIII damaged the brand beyond repair. It will take several high quality titles to recover from it and I don't believe crap like Type-0 HD or what we've seen so far from FF XV is going to cut it.
Fan sites are never short of mistranslations, especially french ones.
I don't think it makes financial sense to bring the game to the PS4, especially in its primary market, Japan, that doesn't mean I don't believe SE isn't stupid enough to do it (quite the contrary).
considering type-0 and final fantasy xv were originally final fantasy xiii agito and final fantasy versus xiii i think it's going to take a final fantasy xvi to truly break away from the ffxiii world. and it needs to be a hard break with a completely different aesthetic than future-past world by nomura. something more like what ix and xii were in their time.
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Jpop
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I don't believe FFVIIr is going to be as big as people make it out to be.
I definitely agree with this. We need a return to more traditional fantasy some steam punk thrown in at most.
Nomura really poisoned the brand and FFXV doesn't seem much better in that regard to me.
If we take FF7r as a "goodwill gesture", then I agree.
Please, you're the one with the saltiest posts in this thread.
It's the same posts we saw a thousand times in the Bloodborne/Tomb Raider threads.
"Well this game isn't going to sell well now haha!"
"I'll just wait for it to come to MY console of choice."
Like, come on.
Infernostew
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All I see is you lot whining about SE's decision making. DQXI is not coming out this fall or maybe not even next fall. By that time the 3DS is not going to be gain anymore traction in the market. The PS4 has the software push in Japan with upcoming titles and Japanese devs are looking to the high sales numbers in other markets and are hoping to revive the Japanese console market in it's home country. Final Fantasy VIIr and a beautiful DQ console game is the perfect solution for that. Yes, DQXI would sell well on 3DS regardless but they're looking to bring the main series back to home consoles with a great looking, vast experience. They're not looking solely at sales numbers for this and other titles coming to home consoles in the next few years. I also don't care about your huge game collection, doesn't mean shit.
edit: I also don't give a shit how well the game sells as long as it's an awesome HD console experience. If not, I'll play it on my iPhone.
orthodoxy1095
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A game like IX that feels like a love letter to fans would indeed go a long way to rehabilitating the franchise.
SolidSnakex
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No one expects it to be exclusive to the PS4. Square are showing you their DQ strategy for Playstation in Japan, and it's to spread it across multiple platforms. If it's on the PS4, then it's obviously going to be on the PS3 as well with the Vita being an outside possibility. That'll give them a lot of reach in terms of userbase.
MH would have sold more on the PSP than the 3DS when Capcom initially made that switch. It was still the right choice to move to the 3DS at that time. Presumably their hope is to make gains with the series on consoles and are not very optimistic on the future of dedicated handhelds. It's not like they saw significant growth on the DS with 9.
Does it really matter though? Maybe Horii was given the opportunity to make a console entry that we haven't seen since 8. People should be happy if they go current gen consoles for this game. The series will finally get out the low end visual ghetto it's been stuck in since the DS era.
Why are people getting upset at the idea that SE doesn't want to put the next DQ on 3DS? 3DS fans gotta suck it up and move on just like you all tell people who don't want to play MH on 3DS. Square Enix and Horii obviously feel it would better serve the next mainline title to be on console and not 3DS. You disagree? Cool, that's your opinion.
Infernostew
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Depending on when this game actually comes out PS3 may be dead.
orthodoxy1095
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Have we had many instances of PS3/PS4 being announced and then PS3 being dropped? I feel like we have, but I can't think of them. It'd be interesting if that were to end up happening here.
SolidSnakex
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Well, the 30th anniversary of the series is next year, so the PS3 should be fine if it releases then.
Infernostew
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edit: misread.. PS3 being dropped... not sure.
Primethius
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I'd expect it to be PS4/PS3 minimum if it's on Sony platforms, following the (seemingly) typical strategy of dropping the PS3 version if it's ever localized for the west.
I read a lot of wishfull thinking and very little in the matter of facts. While SE may claim to want to "revive" the (mostly irrelevant nowadays) console gaming market in Japan, it's little more than fans pandering, if that.
As for my collection comment, it was as relevant as youre salty.gif, glad we're on the same page.
Oh and for the record, DQ games always come out late in the system's life, because that'S when an install base exists. In 2016 or 2017 the 3DS will be one year older as the DS when XI came out and just the same age as when X came out, so your "life expectancy" argument holds no water so far judging by past releases trends.
Infernostew
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Well, You keep saying it so you must be right. Have fun playing DQXI on your 3DS in 2016/17.
orthodoxy1095
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Well according to Verendus there are 2 more unannounced DQ for Playstaiton series, with probably one more to be announced in a future. WIth him denying any of those to be DQH3, I don't think all of those 3 games will be spin-off.
That being said I don't think SE will "abandon" 3DS install base either. Why do people think if DQXI gets released platform(s) X then it won't be coming to another one?
That being said I don't think SE will "abandon" 3DS install base either. Why do people think if DQXI gets released platform(s) X then it won't be coming to another one?
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