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NVIDIA Pascal GPU to feature 17B transistors and 32GB HBM2, coming Q2 2016 (earliest)

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etta

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I suppose my GTX 680 will chug along for 1.5-2 more years. I'll need a new CPU then, too. Hopefully Intel will have hexacores or octacores at more reasonable prices by then.
 
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Seanspeed

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ashecitism said:
Doubt these will be for the GTX cards btw. Maybe the next Titan. HPCs and professional cards at first most likely. I'm mean just thinking about the 980 Pascal equivalent to ship with 16/32 is just insane lol
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32GB version might be saved for the prosumer Titan, but 16GB is totally realistic for the upper midrange/lower high end cards(x70/x80 equivalents). HBM2 will make this entirely feasible.
 
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Netherscourge

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Cool, but...

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tuxfool

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mrklaw said:
17 billion GPU transistors, or 17 billion including the ram (as everything is essentially on the same chip now)?

17 billion GPU transistors seems a big jump, although with the process node shrink the overall area could be similar or even smaller than a Titan X?
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It isn't on the same die. Essentially the thing will be composed of 3 different types dies: The GPU, the HBM2 ram dies, and the interposer.

The only major functional block off the interposer is the power delivery system.
 
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Pie and Beans

Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Are these the ones that require new motherboards due to the new architecture, making me feel like my Z97+i5 4690k purchase a bit recently was a bit silly?
 
MrFortyFive

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Holy shit. I've been pondering an upgrade. I guess I know how long I need to wait. Surely it won't be cheap, but damn is that promising.
 
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idlewild_

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Hm, I assume these figures are for a Titan level card? The jump sounds pretty insane.

Building a mid level pc this year to replace my current 6 year old machine, might have to build it a bit cheaper and look to replace in a couple years instead of holding out for 5+ years again.
 
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ashecitism

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Pie and Beans said:
Are these the ones that require new motherboards due to the new architecture, making me feel like my Z97+i5 4690k purchase a bit recently was a bit silly?
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probably not as I said above and the following post. NVLink at first will be in HPCs, I'm certain, so you shouldn't worry about changing motherboards.

tuxfool said:
Yes. Nvlink requires a completely different physical connector and as such I'm not certain how they will comply with ATX specs. Not to mention that it could only be used potentially for GPU-GPU communication.
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paolo11

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Next year is my upgrade schedule so I'm cool with this but question...

How huge is the performance compared to 980gtx in terms of gaming? Can Pascal do a 4k max setttings on Crysis 3 60fps?
 
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JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
Seanspeed said:
32GB version might be saved for the prosumer Titan, but 16GB is totally realistic for the upper midrange/lower high end cards(x70/x80 equivalents). HBM2 will make this entirely feasible.
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Assuming for the moment that 32GB cards aren't out of the question for the GeForce line, I'd guess 32GB for the Titan Whatever, 16GB for its slightly inferior brother and 8GB for the 970/980 equivalents.
 
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infovore

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From the article:

Pascal is meant to be NVIDIA’s next high performance, compute focused graphics architecture which will be found on all market segments that will include GeForce, Quadro and even Tesla.
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The 32GB configuration described in the article may be aimed at HPC compute. I'd certainly expect it to be very expensive at first.
 
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WolvenOne

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b0bbyJ03 said:
That's probably for the next Titan. I expect 8 and 16 GB configurations for the 1070/1080
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Even then, and even at 4K, I'm not sure more than a handful of games could utilize that. Maybe 2-3 years from now more will though.

Probably not a good value except for hobbyists that build hotrod rigs. 16GB makes more sense for most people.
 
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Crazymoogle

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idlewild_ said:
Hm, I assume these figures are for a Titan level card? The jump sounds pretty insane.

Building a mid level pc this year to replace my current 6 year old machine, might have to build it a bit cheaper and look to replace in a couple years instead of holding out for 5+ years again.
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Those stacks aren't for free. Q2 is a bit optimistic too. I'd expect to see limited quantity prosumer cards (basically, the Fury X stock situation) in September 2016 with 8 or 16GB depending on how ambitious they get with manufacturing. 32GB would be a 2017 product (ie: Titan X) where they have the process nailed down and want to sell an ultra-expensive top end card. I would expect to see 8GB on 970 replacements and 16GB on 980/980ti replacements from this microarchitecture. (The article does not claim 32GB is coming, just that the architecture supports it)
 
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Seanspeed

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ashecitism said:
It's just soooooo crazy. Going from 4/6 to 16.
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Might still depend on cost, though. Just because you can stack a shit ton of memory doesn't mean it will be cheap to do so.

Since pricing will still be an important marketing strategy, I think an 8GB x70 and a 16GB x80 would make a lot of sense. Unlike the difference between the 970 and 980 in performance, yet the disproportionate price, they could get away with it if they had a huge vRAM difference. It may be completely irrelevant to gaming performance at that point, but it would still be a huge 'DOUBLE THE VRAM' selling point to justify a well higher price tag.

JaseC said:
Assuming for the moment that 32GB cards aren't out of the question for the GeForce line, I'd guess 32GB for the Titan Whatever, 16GB for its slightly inferior brother and 8GB for the 970/980 equivalents.
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Also a very realistic scenario.
 
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BossDarkseid

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Eugh :p

Well since i'm getting a new computer in a few months...I suppose I'll *make do* with a 980Ti or something for now...I have no idea what I'd use that much for but its just a bit epeen.
 
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viveks86

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Sounds neat! Depending on how big a jump it is in terms of game performance, I might consider upgrading. Otherwise I'm waiting for Volta.
 
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Odrion

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Doesn't Fury X have a crazy amount of bandwidth and yet it still was punching at the same level as Nvidia's high end Maxwells?

This is just reminding me of how people went crazy over PS4's ram architecture, but at the end of the day it didn't add up to much.
Seanspeed said:
No, that is not what is *always said*.
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yes it is
 
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TC McQueen

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Seanspeed said:
Since pricing will still be an important marketing strategy, I think an 8GB x70 and a 16GB x80 would make a lot of sense. Unlike the difference between the 970 and 980 in performance, yet the disproportionate price, they could get away with it if they had a huge vRAM difference. It may be completely irrelevant to gaming performance at that point, but it would still be a huge 'DOUBLE THE VRAM' selling point to justify a well higher price tag.
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Yeah, that sounds reasonable to me too. At 8GB of HBM2, an x70 card would be fine for several years of 1080/1440p + 60FPS+ performance, even if texture bloat in the ultra high levels continues. 16GB would have a price premium and be for 4K gaming at the very least.
 
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publicpwnerer

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They really need to do better with their "80" equivalent cards.

I really want to upgrade from my 680's due to the heat and noise, but I don't know if it's worth getting a 980ti...or hoping for something solid in the pascal 980 equivalent bracket.
 
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BronzeWolf

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what applications could we see in the Non-VR realm?

8K 144fps surround displays?

OMFG THE PORN WOULD BE AMAZING.

I am already prepparing my "how to emulate nintendo games in a 8K display" thread :D
 
Tarin02543

Tarin02543

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Sounds fantastic, although one needs a 4k monitor to justify the purchase.

I'd say 2017 will be my upgrade scenario, going from 3770k/760gtx to Skylake/Pascal

Or perhaps I have to invest first into a 4k oled tv set? Decisions decisions
 
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