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Square Enix at Gamescom '15: FFXV headlines main stage, other "reveals" teased

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Kikujiro

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The Last One said:
I really don't get the surprises here. People at Gamescom will be able to play Episode Duscae, that's old news... It's even in the OP. What's important to us is the ATR livestream.
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Yeah people seem to think that the live demo = new things, which isn't true. We're getting a new trailer and an ATR with new informations, the live demonstration of Duscae is for the people attending the convention (another reason why it won't even be streamed), so there's no need to panic.
 
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Kagari

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The Last One said:
I really don't get the surprises here. People at Gamescom will be able to play Episode Duscae, that's old news... It's even in the OP. What's important to us is the ATR livestream.
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Yes but they really need to move on from Duscae already. This would be like if SE had brought the paid FFXIII demo to TGS back in 2009 (they had a new one there instead).
 
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Koozek

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Well, did you expect them to create a whole new demo in another area just two months after 2.0? Way too much work just for gamescom. Demos are a nightmare for devs, as you have to polish everything just for that single purpose even though not all sub-systems are already working and not all assets are finished at the same time. Also they don't want to risk showing a buggy mess live on stage (funnily 2.0 has a lot of bugs compared to 1.0, so hopefully they at least worked on those a bit for this event).

Who knows, though, maybe they'll have the other (tech) demo they planned a while ago to be released for free for everyone to give a taste of the battle-system.
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Philippo

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Aside from the fact that we actually haven't seen all of Duscae but just a part of it, maybe they're sticking to only new zones of the same area to avoid spoiling things?

But what if they're now using it as a testing ground for mechanics (like the Royal Palace of last TGS) and will let people play with new things in a known enviroment?
 
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Ray Down

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gosoxtim said:
i know i just saying dont't be surpsie if it that really is the case the way kh3 is handing more info and the way ffxv is going
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From what info we have KH3 so far is only going to be getting info at D23 and might go dark for the rest of the year.

FFXV at Gamescom is kicking off a whole year of marketing, one can assume we will have constant info for over a year and probably have atrs levers month.
 
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Kikujiro

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Kagari said:
Yes but they really need to move on from Duscae already. This would be like if SE had brought the paid FFXIII demo to TGS back in 2009 (they had a new one there instead).
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It's still promotion, because only the people that bought FFType-0 HD have played Duscae (and we know the sell-through wasn't great), so there's a huge audience that doesn't have any idea of what FFXV plays like.
The news outlets won't report about the Duscae demo, they will report about the new trailer and informations from the ATR.
 
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Philippo said:
Aside from the fact that we actually haven't seen all of Duscae but just a part of it, maybe they're sticking to only new zones of the same area to avoid spoiling things?

But what if they're now using it as a testing ground for mechanics (like the Royal Palace of last TGS) and will let people play with new things in a known enviroment?
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This is exactly how I pictured it. Just an area to show off gameplay mechanics. The trailers are probably where I'd assume you'd see new stuff.
 
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The Last One

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Kagari said:
Yes but they really need to move on from Duscae already. This would be like if SE had brought the paid FFXIII demo to TGS back in 2009 (they had a new one there instead).
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Yep, I agree they need. But I wasn't expecting a playable new demo at Gamescom, I think this is likely to happen at TGS though.

Kikujiro said:
Yeah people seem to think that the live demo = new things, which isn't true. We're getting a new trailer and an ATR with new informations, the live demonstration of Duscae is for the people attending the convention (another reason why it won't even be streamed), so there's no need to panic.
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Exactly. It's the ATR that's important, let's wait and see how many new things they'll show to us.
 
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Koozek

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Kikujiro said:
It's still promotion, because only the people that bought FFType-0 HD have played Duscae (and we know the sell-through wasn't great), so there's a huge audience that doesn't have any idea of what FFXV plays like.
The news outlets won't report about the Duscae demo, they will report about the new trailer and informations from the ATR.
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Exactly.
 
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gosoxtim

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Ray Down said:
From what info we have KH3 so far is only going to be getting info at D23 and might go dark for the rest of the year.

FFXV at Gamescom is kicking off a whole year of marketing, one can assume we will have constant info for over a year and probably have atrs levers month.
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kingdom hearts hearts 3 are getting more info two d23's one in august and other in november that in jaon and possibley tgs or jump fiesta and kh3 could get a realse date annouced in d23 in november in japan
 
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sense

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Kagari said:
Yes but they really need to move on from Duscae already. This would be like if SE had brought the paid FFXIII demo to TGS back in 2009 (they had a new one there instead).
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Personally I think they are doing these updates on the demo because they are going to sell the demo digitally for 10 or 15 bucks sometime soon aka ground zeroes for those that didn't buy type zero. Maybe even throw in a little bit extra
 
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threelights

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Shadow_FFVI said:
Maybe they just don't want to show too much of the game?...
I don't know.
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This is about as funny as the fact that they're still using Duscae for promotion.

Square is going to show everything in the game. Everything.

They showed the last boss from LR, they showed the secret CG ending from Type-0 HD (with a bunch of end-game spoilers), and if you followed the KH BBS stuff back a few years you could literally put the game together yourself...

Either way, it's an easy decision for me now. I won't have to watch or follow these videos because I've already seen Duscae and I couldn't care (or trust) less about Tabata's words now.
 
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Shadow_FFVI

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A more apt comparison would be how much did they show of FF VII through XIV.
Did they spoil the hell out of those games too? Also, do you want them to show alot of the game before you get to play it?
 
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QuiteWhittle

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Caronte said:
From what I've seen in the trailers KH3 looks more polished to me. It could be just the way the trailer is done of course, but to me it looks like it will release before XV.
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I didn't think KH3's trailer looked particularly polished but regardless...

...did the E3 trailer really look more polished than this? Episode Duscae, when removed from a controlled PC environment, had a poor framerate, sub-1080p resolution, reduced amount of vegatation, terrible camera, etc, but you wouldn't know that just from watching that trailer. KH3 could be the same actually running on a PS4 in it's current state.

threelights said:
Either way, it's an easy decision for me now. I won't have to watch or follow these videos because I've already seen Duscae and I couldn't care (or trust) less about Tabata's words now.
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The Duscae stage demos aren't being filmed apparently and the new trailer and ATR will probably have something to do with the artwork tease they showed off last month. But it doesn't matter what they show, do, or say, your mind has already been made up about FFXV, hasn't it?
 
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wmlk

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FFXV is slated to have a ton of new stuff from Gamescom. I don't see how having Duscae on the stage (the thing won't even be livestreamed) changes that one bit.

Unless people wanted yet another demo.
 
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threelights

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QuiteWhittle said:
The Duscae stage demos aren't being filmed apparently and the new trailer and ATR will probably have something to do with the artwork tease they showed off last month. But it doesn't matter what they show, do, or say, your mind has already been made up about FFXV, hasn't it?
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Since they're youtubers we'll probably get something afterwards.

And yes, my mind is already made up, I'm there day 1 for FFXV.
 
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Bousf

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We already knew Duscae 2.0 will be playable on the showfloor, not surprised about stage demos being about it. I still expect a gameplay extension of whatever footage we get in the new trailer, fully featured gameplay. If not now, at TGS.

My excitement remains ^^
 
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DeSolos

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threelights said:
This is about as funny as the fact that they're still using Duscae for promotion.

Square is going to show everything in the game. Everything.

They showed the last boss from LR, they showed the secret CG ending from Type-0 HD (with a bunch of end-game spoilers), and if you followed the KH BBS stuff back a few years you could literally put the game together yourself...

Either way, it's an easy decision for me now. I won't have to watch or follow these videos because I've already seen Duscae and I couldn't care (or trust) less about Tabata's words now.
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Going off of that they also literally showed clips from the secret ending for BBS. They showed a screenshot of the ending of KH2 in Famitsu. The "Saving Spira" FFX/X-2 HD trailer spoiled basically every major plot point/twist. There hasn't been a FF in the last 20 years that we haven't known effectively every character, location, and a basic outline of the entire plot.

I don't think that's fair. Tabata has never lied about anything he's said about FFXV. He's gone extra lengths to be honest and open about the development process. Good and bad. Instead of spending another year silent on FFXV, his team showed us behind the scenes of the development process while it was in progress and subject to change. Japanese devs simply don't do that.
 
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Dark_castle said:
Some of those are deserved IMO. For instance, Duscae and Goblin Cave's level design, or the lack thereof. Also worth pointing out that Tabata directed games have very repetitive dungeon and mission design in general. At least the towns in XV seem promising so far, as opposed to Type-0's awful, bland as fuck ones.
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Nomura directed games aren't exactly a shining beacon for game design either!

My main point is we have to look behind the director and also judge the staff behind. In the case for XV many of the staff are relatively unknown with working onba project of this scale and budget.
 
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chozen

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HerroRygar said:
I thought that you could still warp outside of combat, but only to designated warp points rather than anywhere on the map.
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Tabata said it was too buggy and if they found a breakthrough then they would allow it but as of now, no. You can't warp outside of combat in the demo either. The time where Tetsuya said you could warp on top of buildings to get hidden chests are gone like come on really?
 
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threelights

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DeSolos said:
Going off of that they also literally showed clips from the secret ending for BBS. They showed a screenshot of the ending of KH2 in Famitsu. The "Saving Spira" FFX/X-2 HD trailer spoiled basically every major plot point/twist. There hasn't been a FF in the last 20 years that we haven't known effectively every character, location, and a basic outline of the entire plot.

I don't think that's fair. Tabata has never lied about anything he's said about FFXV. He's gone extra lengths to be honest and open about the development process. Good and bad. Instead of spending another year silent on FFXV, his team showed us behind the scenes of the development process while it was in progress and subject to change. Japanese devs simply don't do that.
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Good points, I totally forgot that FFX/X-2 trailer. Although I guess I'm more willing to forgive that one...
Basically go into blackout if you don't want heavy spoilers from FFXV.

Also, Tabata has not been so open. Yes, compared to other Japanese developers he is basically an open book in a public place where anyone can read, but he has his fair share of... shady comments too, and then of course the thing that made me start to ignore the stuff he says with the "preserving Nomura's vision" comments.

M_Night said:
Nomura directed games aren't exactly a shining beacon for game design either!

My main point is we have to look behind the director and also judge the staff behind. In the case for XV many of the staff are relatively unknown with working onba project of this scale and budget.
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tbf, repetition is the one thing KH can't be accused of. Even on the PSP you still had enough content and variety that the game never got boring. They even managed to put in some level design despite their maps being all broken into tiny rooms.

Type-0 did have a bunch of interesting side missions though (mostly the high level stuff and the secret bosses), but I can't really defend the game in terms of variety.

Also, a lot of the more important staff members are the Type-0 guys... And based on the demo, complaints like Level Design are pretty relevant.
 
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YankeeDonB

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If we're still a year out from release, I don't find it surprising that they're not doing a live stage demo of previously unrevealed content. Why risk it? That said, I will be surprised and disappointed if they don't show us anything new on the gameplay and setting front, either in trailers or ATR.
 
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Caronte

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QuiteWhittle said:
I didn't think KH3's trailer looked particularly polished but regardless...

...did the E3 trailer really look more polished than this? Episode Duscae, when removed from a controlled PC environment, had a poor framerate, sub-1080p resolution, reduced amount of vegatation, terrible camera, etc, but you wouldn't know that just from watching that trailer. KH3 could be the same actually running on a PS4 in it's current state.
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That doesn't look polished, it just looks like something made just for the trailer (the demo is not like that). KH3 didn't look much different from previous KH games, that's why it looks more polished to me.
 
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Shadow_FFVI

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Icyflamez96 said:
Tell that to FFXIII
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I mean, I absolutely love how Ramuh looks in this game.
Just imaging getting Bahamut or Ifrit, and not knowing what you're about to witness.

I hope they know, they definitely can show too much. I already watched more from FF XV than I did from VII, VIII or IX before they were released.
 
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KupoNut

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There's nothing wrong with showing Episode Duscae as the stage demos, for the general public at Gamescom this is still pretty much new and gives a good look at the core gameplay.

Also shoving a new build in the hands of some non-Square employee YouTubers might not be a good idea either.

Super excited for the ATR and Q&A.
 
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HerroRygar

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QuiteWhittle said:
I didn't think KH3's trailer looked particularly polished but regardless...
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I really don't understand this viewpoint. Were we watching the same trailer? The animation, quality of visual effects (particularly lighting and particle effects), and variety of gameplay systems look extremely polished to me. The faces in the cutscene looked a bit "bleh", and the UI might have been placeholder, but those are comparatively minor details.
 
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Death Penalty

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Ray Down said:
Wait for the ATR and Q/A.

Besides they aren't streaming the demo, just the ATR & Q/A
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This should be posted in the OP.

I'm a bit baffled by all the people complaining that SE is using a fully playable build of XV for its promotion. I get that you're bored of it, but come on. They're obviously going to bring something new to the ATR, what's the harm in Duscae being there for attendees?
 
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wmlk

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Death Penalty said:
This should be posted in the OP.

I'm a bit baffled by all the people complaining that SE is using a fully playable build of XV for its promotion. I get that you're bored of it, but come on. They're obviously going to bring something new to the ATR, what's the harm in Duscae being there for attendees?
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Yeah.

People probably need to ask themselves if having Duscae on the stage over a 3 day event changes the amount of information they were expecting out of Gamescom. The answer to that question is probably no (at least for people who are reasonable). If that's the case, then I don't see what the hoopla is about.
 
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