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[Jeevesmeister]

i think Kojima and his crew convinced Konami that he needed the new engine to achieve the photorealistic graphics he was after.

Man, Konami could make a killing on licensing fees I'm sure.

 

[JimmyRustler]

This unfortunately could hurt Kojima in finding his next role and the scope of the project. He is going to get a ton of questions on that alleged $80M budget and it might scare off some potential suitors.

Sounds like he just needs a project manager to help him out with this kind of stuff.

Looking at other devs that went independent it's pretty save to say that Kojima will never make a high buget game again. Maybe if Sony hires him or something but I kinda doubt that. Maybe Del Torro will get him some connections in the movie industry and he finally becomes a director like he always wanted to be.

 

[Kain]

Fuck that place, Kojima and team are better out of there.

Really, all I see is a bright fugure for these guys, they are talented and any big studio would want them in their ranks.

 

[SomTervo]

80 million is a lot pre-marketing.

Post-marketing, not so much.

Without context for which this number is, it could either be surprisingly low or absolutely unreasonable.

Good call, aren't they mid-marketing right now though? I assume the guy's info came from quite a while back though.

You realize they don't make $60 on each copy sold right

Good call.

4 million units?

That is a lot.

I think it's going to sell like hotcakes though, personally. I've never felt like that about any other MGS game and they've all sold very well.

 

[Aeana]

So Suikoden was under development?

It was, but it isn't as disappointing when contextualized by the last two Suikoden games. Tierkreis and the PSP game are certainly not what I'm looking for.

 

[CouchMaster]

The game will probably be good, but the hate for Konami will definitely factor into sales. I don't see it getting more than 1.5 million personally.

It'll probably do 1.5M day one, not counting bundles and digital.

 

[Screaming Meat]

This unfortunately could hurt Kojima in finding his next role and the scope of the project. He is going to get a ton of questions on that alleged $80M budget and it might scare off some potential suitors.

Sounds like he just needs a project manager to help him out with this kind of stuff.

I think you have a point there. He'll never get the kind of budgets that Konami afforded him. Having said that, when a company does decide to hire Kojima, they aren't just getting a Game Designer, they're getting a whole brand along with a fiercely loyal core fanbase that will likely follow him. Whether that is enough to off-set the financial risks, I dunno.

 

[SomTervo]

This unfortunately could hurt Kojima in finding his next role and the scope of the project. He is going to get a ton of questions on that alleged $80M budget and it might scare off some potential suitors.

Sounds like he just needs a project manager to help him out with this kind of stuff.

I think you have a point there. He'll never get the kind of budgets that Konami afforded him. Having said that, when a company does decide to hire Kojima, they aren't just getting a Game Designer, they're getting a whole brand along with a fiercely loyal core fanbase that will likely follow him.

Yeah, Trojan is on the ball with that one.

Right this second I'm editing an international project management society's newsletter, and that shit is exactly what Kojima needs. You're damn right, Troj.

Personally I think Konami could have done plenty to sort him out and work better with him. Seems very political, the whole thing, rather than businesslike. Edit: though I go back and forth on my feelings on it every day

 

[dmr87]

80 million doesn't sound that bad to me, it's coming out on five platforms and I expect it to be super polished.

 

[Screaming Meat]

80 million doesn't sound that bad to me, it's coming out on five platforms and I expect it to be super polished.

Can I borrow $80 million then? Swear I'll pay you back.

 

[Boke1879]

The game will probably be good, but the hate for Konami will definitely factor into sales. I don't see it getting more than 1.5 million personally.

WHAT?! In case you are serious this game is coming to pretty much every platform. Last gen sales may not be much but I expect PC,PS4 and XB1 sales to be huge. It'll sell at least on par with MGS4 and then even more when there are Steam sales.

 

[Screaming Meat]

WHAT?! In case you are serious this game is coming to pretty much every platform. Last gen sales may not be much but I expect PC,PS4 and XB1 sales to be huge. It'll sell at least on par with MGS4 and then even more when there are Steam sales.

Why not? That's still the bigger install base, isn't it?

Right this second I'm editing an international project management society's newsletter, and that shit is exactly what Kojima needs. You're damn right, Troj.

Get back to work, ya damn slacker!

 

[TheSlySoul]

WHAT?! In case you are serious this game is coming to pretty much every platform. Last gen sales may not be much but I expect PC,PS4 and XB1 sales to be huge. It'll sell at least on par with MGS4 and then even more when there are Steam sales.

I didn't mean overall 1.5, I was saying the launch window which I think for a developer is one month?

3 million overall in 2015 is no doubt in my mind with most sales coming up during holiday.
Still with advertising it is hard to say if the game will churn a profit.

 

[Fancy Clown]

Well Kojima is gonna free from working in this shithole soon.

 

[onepiecefan]

Sounds like the nightmare we already knew it was.

 

[Asd202]

Development halted for Suikoden? What a surprise I'm genuinely shocked I tell you

Spoiler

not.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

I am very positive that this will have more than 5 million sales by the end of the year. The Witcher 3 managed to do 4 million and I guess Arkham Knight is pretty close or even more right know. Also, the PS3 Version will be strong at least in Japan.

 

[GreyOcelot]

Looking at other devs that went independent it's pretty save to say that Kojima will never make a high buget game again. Maybe if Sony hires him or something but I kinda doubt that. Maybe Del Torro will get him some connections in the movie industry and he finally becomes a director like he always wanted to be.

with all due respect to kenji inafune and yu suzuki, etc. they aren't on kojima's level at this point and time. those guys made great classic games a long time ago that sold relatively well, but kojima still makes viable AAA games. just because inafune and Iga have to go to kickstarter to make mega man and castlevania clones, doesn't mean kojima will have to do the same. it's a rather poor comparison. at worst, kojima could go down a path similar to shinji mikami, who is still releasing AAA-ish games

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

80 million doesn't sound that bad to me, it's coming out on five platforms and I expect it to be super polished.

It really isn't, it probably clears the average pretty easy but it's hardly some super drastic number.

 

[oimori]

Someone is now photoshopping Konami's logo to make it Soviet Union flag, I know.

 

[The Horror the horror]

I'm not supporting this company with my money. Will buy MGSV used.

 

[Asd202]

So I've read the thread. Fuck this company hope they'll go under and people will find better place to work.

 

[Dremark]

Someone is now photoshopping Konami's logo to make it Soviet Union flag, I know.

What did the Soviets do to deserve that comparison?

 

[Boke1879]

I'm not supporting this company with my money. Will buy MGSV used.

Come on man. Kojima and his team still poured their hearts into this game. I plan to honor their commitment by buying the game day one. YES money will go to Konami but after MGSV this company is dead to me. It's clear they won't be making many if any AAA games in the future.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

The part about cameras and punch cards sounds absurd. Might there even be laws against such a thing...?

How?
Its like most jobs around here.
Exactly how it is working at Walmart for example, only time you don't get in trouble taking a longer lunch is if you are trying to lose unapproved overtime.

Also have just as many cameras on us in the back as they do on the customers.

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

MGSV...

...More expensive than Shenmue

 

[Cathcart]

I really hate news that gets released via Twitter. Seriously someone just write a couple goddamn paragraphs and then link to it on Twitter or something.

The game will probably be good, but the hate for Konami will definitely factor into sales. I don't see it getting more than 1.5 million personally.

lol

 

[mosdl]

Man, Konami could make a killing on licensing fees I'm sure.

If they can keep all the people who worked on the engine to support it. They may bail with Kojima.

 

[JimmyRustler]

with all due respect to kenji inafune and yu suzuki, etc. they aren't on kojima's level at this point and time. those guys made great classic games a long time ago that sold relatively well, but kojima still makes viable AAA games. just because inafune and Iga have to go to kickstarter to make mega man and castlevania clones, doesn't mean kojima will have to do the same. it's a rather poor comparison. at worst, kojima could go down a path similar to shinji mikami, who is still releasing AAA-ish games

He does. Well, he did one. And that was not even close to be a quality game like the ones he made while at Capcom.
The only one you could argue is still making big AAA games is Kamiya, although I cannot really judge how much AAA they are since I haven't played any of them (don't like the style).

 

[GreyOcelot]

He does. Well, he did one. And that was not even close to be a quality game like the ones he made while at Capcom.
The only one you could argue is still making big AAA games is Kamiya, although I cannot really judge how much AAA they are since I haven't played any of them (don't like the style).

yeah, but my point is that kojima is still making AAA games. those other guys are not and have not for a long time. a direct comparison between kojima and another gaming director leaving really can't be made. kojima is closer to west and zampella or bungie leaving MS than iga or inafune. i would expect he'd get an opportunity to make a relatively big budget video game by someone.

 

[Trojan]

Uh MGS2 sold 7 million on PS2 alone and that was in 2001 when the PS2 had been out for a shorter period than the current gen consoles.

MGS2 was 15 years ago and things have changed significantly since then - I would definitely not use that as a barometer. That game got a huge bump from MGS1 that isn't around anymore and there weren't the huge number of titles available on consoles like there are today. MGS5 won't do 7M and it will far exceed if it hits over 4M.

 

[JigglesBunny]

I hope Konami's IP's get auctioned to compatenf homes and their entire company turns to ash.

Fuck 'em.

 

[Trojan]

Yeah, Trojan is on the ball with that one.

Right this second I'm editing an international project management society's newsletter, and that shit is exactly what Kojima needs. You're damn right, Troj.

I'm a project manager myself so this is what I do every day Maybe I should email Kojima and offer my services.

 

[JimmyRustler]

yeah, but my point is that kojima is still making AAA games. those other guys are not and have not for a long time. a direct comparison between kojima and another gaming director leaving really can't be made. kojima is closer to west and zampella or bungie leaving MS than iga or inafune. i would expect he'd get an opportunity to make a relatively big budget video game by someone.

Well, we can only hope but like I said, I doubt it. He'd first have to find a publisher that is willing to invest a huge amount of money in him and with the shrinking AAA market I don't see who he can turn to. Sony would be a given when looking at the past but aside from that? I don't really see it, sorry. Not that I wouldn't wish it for him. He's been wanting to do something new for such a long time, now being free from the MGS shackles he could finally do it. I just can't imagine him doing some small game.

 

[Ryan_MSF]

Yong just uploaded this video pretty damning stuff.

 

[GreyOcelot]

Well, we can only hope but like I said, I doubt it. He'd first have to find a publisher that is willing to invest a huge amount of money in him and with the shrinking AAA market I don't see who he can turn to. Sony would be a given when looking at the past but aside from that? I don't really see it, sorry. Not that I wouldn't wish it for him. He's been wanting to do something new for such a long time, now being free from the MGS shackles he could finally do it. I just can't imagine him doing some small game.

publishers are very reluctant to green light new IPs, but having a hook such as a legendary acclaimed game director is a good start. "from the director/creator of metal gear" certainly gives a new IP a head-start

 

[Cow Mengde]

So it sounds like the biggest franchise is also what's killing the company. Holy shit, 80 million dollars! This is the reason why Konami's no longer taking risks or making games in other franchises. 80 fucking million dollars!

 

[Instro]

MGS2 was 15 years ago and things have changed significantly since then - I would definitely not use that as a barometer. That game got a huge bump from MGS1 that isn't around anymore and there weren't the huge number of titles available on consoles like there are today. MGS5 won't do 7M and it will far exceed if it hits over 4M.

MGS4 sold 6M LTD.

 

[funkystudent]

So when do they start hiring new staff for the next metal gear game again?

 

[Haunted]

If you buy MGSV, you support this company.

 

[Lunar15]

I have a slight suspicion that some of this isn't out of place at a lot of Japanese companies, particularly the part about moving people down into menial tasks.

The part about randomized emails with multiple numbers seems fairly exclusive to Konami, though. I know through secondhand knowledge, as someone I worked with had multiple emails with the company. Never had that issue with anyone else.

 

[Dremark]

If you buy MGSV, you support this company.

If you don't buy MGSV, you prove them right.

It's lose/lose. Personally I'm going to go for the option that lets me play an awesome game. No disrespect to anyone who skips it on principal though.

 

[entremet]

I'm not supporting this company with my money. Will buy MGSV used.

Show some love to Kojima and his final game.

Ignore the drama.

 

[TheSlySoul]

If you don't buy MGSV, you prove them right.

It's lose/lose. Personally I'm going to go for the option that lets me play an awesome game. No disrespect to anyone who skips it on principal though.

Pretty much.
Honestly it doesn't matter if this game is successful or not, Konami made its mind up that console games are just not worth it anymore and this will be the last serious effort.

This is why Kickstarter exists because you can fund developers directly.

 

[Parsnip]

Wow. Just wow.

 

[Lunar15]

If you buy MGSV, you support this company.

Or you'd be paying the salaries of the people who stayed through this hell to make you a fun game.

 

[dramatis]

He does. Well, he did one. And that was not even close to be a quality game like the ones he made while at Capcom.
The only one you could argue is still making big AAA games is Kamiya, although I cannot really judge how much AAA they are since I haven't played any of them (don't like the style).

AAA is a term for budget size, not for quality. Pretty sure none of what Platinum Games makes has an AAA budget, ever.

 

[Skux]

$80m sounds absolutely absurd. Isn't that more than a Ubisoft AAA game?

 

[Atolm]

Is this legal in Japan?

This would qualify as mobbing in Europe.

 

[TheSlySoul]

$80m sounds absolutely absurd. Isn't that more than a Ubisoft AAA game?

Watch Dogs was $68 million before the delay, so if MGSV was $80 before delay, then yes.