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SPOILER: Spoiler Metal Gear Solid V (TPS) Spoiler Thread (Contains Spoilers, Thanos).

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hitme

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Now knowing the ending and the real twist to TPP...

Watching streams (example: Twitch marathon) trying to decipher the plot is hilarious.
 
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Springfoot

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Wait, wasn't the whole point of cloning Big Boss to make Liquid, Solid, and Solidus was because he was such an ultimate super soldier on a base genetic level that even rigorous training couldn't compensate for?

But then his random medic buddy can turn around and absorb all those genetically-imbued Big Boss abilities through some kind of bro osmosis, thereby totally negating the need for genetic clones in the first place?

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Pumped for the gameplay, but holy shit is this slow-motion trainwreck of a story hilarious.
 
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BreezyLimbo

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Springfoot said:
Wait, wasn't the whole point of cloning Big Boss to make Liquid, Solid, and Solidus was because he was such an ultimate super soldier on a genetic level that even training couldn't compensate for?

But then his random medic buddy can turn around and absorb all those genetically-imbued Big Boss abilities through some kind of bro osmosis, thereby totally negating the need for genetic clones in the first place?

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It was a very primitive of the S3 plan/Patriot system, being able to shape anyone into the perfect soldier with the right scenarios.
 
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Rynam

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Someone on reddit posted this link for a stream:

Quote to see, just to be sure :D
Don't know if it's just a recording of a previous stream, French subs again.

Edit: Seems indeed only be a VoD.
 
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Hands of Stone

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Springfoot said:
Wait, wasn't the whole point of cloning Big Boss to make Liquid, Solid, and Solidus was because he was such an ultimate super soldier on a base genetic level that even rigorous training couldn't compensate for?

But then his random medic buddy can turn around and absorb all those genetically-imbued Big Boss abilities through some kind of bro osmosis, thereby totally negating the need for genetic clones in the first place?

TenseRegalBluegill.gif
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Yet again another Reddit post makes a good case for the twist:

"Big Boss himself was a "nobody" soldier -- albeit a very well-trained nobody -- until Operation Snake Eater. Solid Snake was a "nobody" soldier until the Shadow Moses incident (remember, the Outer Heaven uprising was swept under the rug, and Snake disappeared after the Zanzibar Land incident). Even Raiden was a "nobody" soldier until the World Marshal incident.

And, speaking of Raiden, the entire point of the Patriots' plan -- well, one part of it -- was to prove anyone could become a soldier on par with Big Boss or Solid Snake under the right circumstances...and, the bigger part of the Patriots' plan, with the right information control. Going right back to what BB said at the ending of MGS4, it's one big cycle of propaganda, information control, and repeating scenarios to create one hero after another to eliminate their competition and/or threats as they are used, discarded, and demonized by those in power.

The entire game series is a nobody inhabiting (or, perhaps more appropriately, inheriting) the role of a legendary soldier. Big Boss inhabits/inherits the role of The Boss, after her legacy is defamed. Solid Snake inhabits/inherits the role of Big Boss, after Big Boss' legacy is defamed. Raiden inhabits/inherits the role of Solid Snake, after Solid's legacy is defamed.

Big Boss, basically, effects (if the leak is true) a prototype of the S3 program."

Looking at it from this angle I kinda like it now.
 
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Neiteio

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It's weird, I wasn't really hyped for this game, and my opinion of MGS4 has only gone down over time, but reading those spoilers, I really want to see firsthand how this all plays out. Like, the twists in this game are insane. I kind of love it for that.
 
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Boke1879

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Hands of Stone said:
Yet again another Reddit post makes a good case for the twist:

"Big Boss himself was a "nobody" soldier -- albeit a very well-trained nobody -- until Operation Snake Eater. Solid Snake was a "nobody" soldier until the Shadow Moses incident (remember, the Outer Heaven uprising was swept under the rug, and Snake disappeared after the Zanzibar Land incident). Even Raiden was a "nobody" soldier until the World Marshal incident.

And, speaking of Raiden, the entire point of the Patriots' plan -- well, one part of it -- was to prove anyone could become a soldier on par with Big Boss or Solid Snake under the right circumstances...and, the bigger part of the Patriots' plan, with the right information control. Going right back to what BB said at the ending of MGS4, it's one big cycle of propaganda, information control, and repeating scenarios to create one hero after another to eliminate their competition and/or threats as they are used, discarded, and demonized by those in power.

The entire game series is a nobody inhabiting (or, perhaps more appropriately, inheriting) the role of a legendary soldier. Big Boss inhabits/inherits the role of The Boss, after her legacy is defamed. Solid Snake inhabits/inherits the role of Big Boss, after Big Boss' legacy is defamed. Raiden inhabits/inherits the role of Solid Snake, after Solid's legacy is defamed.

Big Boss, basically, effects (if the leak is true) a prototype of the S3 program."

Looking at it from this angle I kinda like it now.
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I thought this was obvious. Don't know why people think it's ridiculous. This definitely leads credence to an early SOP-like system. The fac that Venom has false memories is justification enough.

Not to mention in MGS4 Ocelot uses Nanomachines and hypnotherapy to literally become Liquid.
 
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Neiteio

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Hands of Stone said:
Yet again another Reddit post makes a good case for the twist:

"Big Boss himself was a "nobody" soldier -- albeit a very well-trained nobody -- until Operation Snake Eater. Solid Snake was a "nobody" soldier until the Shadow Moses incident (remember, the Outer Heaven uprising was swept under the rug, and Snake disappeared after the Zanzibar Land incident). Even Raiden was a "nobody" soldier until the World Marshal incident.

And, speaking of Raiden, the entire point of the Patriots' plan -- well, one part of it -- was to prove anyone could become a soldier on par with Big Boss or Solid Snake under the right circumstances...and, the bigger part of the Patriots' plan, with the right information control. Going right back to what BB said at the ending of MGS4, it's one big cycle of propaganda, information control, and repeating scenarios to create one hero after another to eliminate their competition and/or threats as they are used, discarded, and demonized by those in power.

The entire game series is a nobody inhabiting (or, perhaps more appropriately, inheriting) the role of a legendary soldier. Big Boss inhabits/inherits the role of The Boss, after her legacy is defamed. Solid Snake inhabits/inherits the role of Big Boss, after Big Boss' legacy is defamed. Raiden inhabits/inherits the role of Solid Snake, after Solid's legacy is defamed.

Big Boss, basically, effects (if the leak is true) a prototype of the S3 program."

Looking at it from this angle I kinda like it now.
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See, that's fantastic. I love it.
 
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Boke1879

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Springfoot said:
Wait, wasn't the whole point of cloning Big Boss to make Liquid, Solid, and Solidus was because he was such an ultimate super soldier on a base genetic level that even rigorous training couldn't compensate for?

But then his random medic buddy can turn around and absorb all those genetically-imbued Big Boss abilities through some kind of bro osmosis, thereby totally negating the need for genetic clones in the first place?

TenseRegalBluegill.gif


Pumped for the gameplay, but holy shit is this slow-motion trainwreck of a story hilarious.
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The need for clones was negated after the events of MGS1. Hell the whole genome army I believe was the end goal, but they were flawed.

With MGS2 there is literally no more need for straight up cloning. With SOP you can literally create a soldier on par with Solid Snake and by extension control the population.

The clones were created as an insurance policy
 
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BinaryPork2737

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Hands of Stone said:
Solid Snake was a "nobody" soldier until the Shadow Moses incident (remember, the Outer Heaven uprising was swept under the rug, and Snake disappeared after the Zanzibar Land incident).
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The parts about Big Boss and Raiden are pretty spot on, but I don't agree with this bit. If that is to be considered true, why does Mei Ling call Snake famous back in MGS1?

She literally calls Snake a "living legend."
 
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Springfoot

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Hands of Stone said:
Yet again another Reddit post makes a good case for the twist:

"Big Boss himself was a "nobody" soldier -- albeit a very well-trained nobody -- until Operation Snake Eater. Solid Snake was a "nobody" soldier until the Shadow Moses incident (remember, the Outer Heaven uprising was swept under the rug, and Snake disappeared after the Zanzibar Land incident). Even Raiden was a "nobody" soldier until the World Marshal incident.

And, speaking of Raiden, the entire point of the Patriots' plan -- well, one part of it -- was to prove anyone could become a soldier on par with Big Boss or Solid Snake under the right circumstances...and, the bigger part of the Patriots' plan, with the right information control. Going right back to what BB said at the ending of MGS4, it's one big cycle of propaganda, information control, and repeating scenarios to create one hero after another to eliminate their competition and/or threats as they are used, discarded, and demonized by those in power.

The entire game series is a nobody inhabiting (or, perhaps more appropriately, inheriting) the role of a legendary soldier. Big Boss inhabits/inherits the role of The Boss, after her legacy is defamed. Solid Snake inhabits/inherits the role of Big Boss, after Big Boss' legacy is defamed. Raiden inhabits/inherits the role of Solid Snake, after Solid's legacy is defamed.

Big Boss, basically, effects (if the leak is true) a prototype of the S3 program."

Looking at it from this angle I kinda like it now.
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Yes, and where does the need to clone Big Boss, the ultimate super soldier play into things? While this idea is neat, it seems to be in direct contradiction for any need to create genetic clones, because anyone can be a supersoldier. There was literally no need to create Snake, Solidus, or Liquid when any nobody soldier could have done the job just as well.

Boke1879 said:
The need for clones was negated after the events of MGS1. Hell the whole genome army I believe was the end goal, but they were flawed.

With MGS2 there is literally no more need for straight up cloning. With SOP you can literally create a soldier on par with Solid Snake and by extension control the population.

The clones were created as an insurance policy
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That's the thing - this is a prequel set, what, roughly three decades before those events? If Medic bro was able to absorb all the supersoldier qualities of Big Boss through some training, then why, decades later, was everyone still so focused on clones and genetics? The entire "he was a body double duplicate but with completely different, unrelated genetics but still able to become The Legendary Supersoldier" angle of the MGS5 spoilers basically invalidates a good chunk of MGS1 and the future timeline it created.
 
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Arkanius

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Springfoot said:
Yes, and where does the need to clone Big Boss, the ultimate super soldier play into things? While this idea is neat, it seems to be in direct contradiction for any need to create genetic clones, because anyone can be a supersoldier. There was literally no need to create Snake, Solidus, or Liquid when any nobody soldier could have done the job just as well.
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But did they know that when the project started?
 
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Hands of Stone

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sti4thewin said:
quote for stream.
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Thanks!

BinaryPork2737 said:
The parts about Big Boss and Raiden are pretty spot on, but I don't agree with this bit. If that is to be considered true, why does Mei Ling call Snake famous back in MGS1?

She literally calls Snake a "living legend."
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Yeah I disagreed with that part too. One explanation could be the support team (Mei Ling and Naomi) where informed of Snake's exploits just before the mission began.
 
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SkylineRKR

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Medic bro malfunctioned. Its the point of this game. It wasn't a good clone, it went apeshit and wanted to destroy the world. The guy's mental after finding out.

I guess he was created because they quickly needed someone they could deploy and he had to look exactly like BB. True BB wasn't combat ready and had to build his empire. This experiment was sanctioned by BB himself, the kids weren't. I think.

The kids still had to grow up. But the kids worked better. Sure, Liquid went apeshit too.. because there 2 similar dudes and he suffered an inferiority complex. Solidus only went apeshit because he was sick of being used as a puppet. He was proud of what he was.

Their identities weren't stolen, they were born.
 
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TyrantGuardian

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I think this is brilliant in the most hilariously stupid way ever. Though I'm sure the game itself will present this way better than a sentence long spoiler does.
 
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Springfoot

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Boke1879 said:
The need for clones was negated after the events of MGS1. Hell the whole genome army I believe was the end goal, but they were flawed.

With MGS2 there is literally no more need for straight up cloning. With SOP you can literally create a soldier on par with Solid Snake and by extension control the population.

The clones were created as an insurance policy
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But that's my point - Medic absorbs Big Boss's supersoldier qualities back in the 80s, several decades before either MGS1 or 2. The idea that this random guy (a friend of BB, sure, but not even a career warrior) can literally become Big Boss means that none of those genetic-focused plot threads should have ever started, because it wasn't about genetics, just training.

Arkanius said:
But did they know that when the project started?
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The entire genome soldiers bit from MGS1 was just a pointless exercise in blowing money I guess. These dudes underwent some totally superfluous medical mutation then.

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The Genome Army project was developed by Dr. Clark in the 1990s, by rearranging the alignment of nucleotides to resemble Big Boss's genes. According to Liquid Snake, the Gulf War Syndrome was actually a side effect of Genome Soldier experiments, along with the so-called "Gulf War Babies" that veterans reported. The side effects were glossed over by the Pentagon through claims that they were the direct result of exposure to depleted uranium rounds from various tanks, alongside post traumatic stress disorder and anti-sarin injections. One of the guinea pigs in her gene therapy experiments was Gray Fox, recovered after being mortally wounded by a landmine in Zanzibar Land in 1999. Even though military-based genetic therapy was banned under international law, the Patriots secretly carried out the project anyway since the laws were simply declarations and not actual treaties.[4]
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theSecondAgent

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Like it or not, it's refreshing to see a game plot like this. It's why I always loved the series, and wouldn't want a basic revenge plot. I wouldn't want a basic "good man turning evil" plot. It's insane, and didn't expect anything different.

Even better....I'll get to see the meltdown on Twitter when the game's plot is out in public for everyone. These situations don't happen often.

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RyanardoDaVinci

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Kojima just can't stop fucking up this story. Can't stop, won't stop.

MGS1/2/3 + the head-canon I have to fill in the blanks, is the only Metal Gear story that exists to me.

Thankfully MGSV's gameplay is sooooo good that the story will only serve to get in the way of my Tactical Espionage Action/Operations.
 
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NoFoX

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Darksol said:
Guys, just scroll up. He's been streaming for like 10+ minutes. At character creation right now.
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Maybe i'm blinde and can't see the link.
But didn't he say we have to quote him to get the link?
Kind sir, could you please send me the link via PM?
 
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SkylineRKR

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Most troll character creation ever, btw.

Ever played a game where you went through every slider, only to find out 'haha, nice try... but you're going to roll with this face here, breh'. This has never been in done in a game before?

Actually, when I think about it, its pretty fucking awesome. I hope it won't be used in MGO. Keep it useless, and part of the ruse.
 
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Red Blaster

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its also been the type of thing peeps have speculated kojima would do for years yet mgs3, 4 and peace walker were played completely straight (relatively).

from him to pull an mgs2-spec switcheroo at this juncture is interesting
 
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Rojo

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Hands of Stone said:
Yet again another Reddit post makes a good case for the twist:

"Big Boss himself was a "nobody" soldier -- albeit a very well-trained nobody -- until Operation Snake Eater. Solid Snake was a "nobody" soldier until the Shadow Moses incident (remember, the Outer Heaven uprising was swept under the rug, and Snake disappeared after the Zanzibar Land incident). Even Raiden was a "nobody" soldier until the World Marshal incident.

And, speaking of Raiden, the entire point of the Patriots' plan -- well, one part of it -- was to prove anyone could become a soldier on par with Big Boss or Solid Snake under the right circumstances...and, the bigger part of the Patriots' plan, with the right information control. Going right back to what BB said at the ending of MGS4, it's one big cycle of propaganda, information control, and repeating scenarios to create one hero after another to eliminate their competition and/or threats as they are used, discarded, and demonized by those in power.

The entire game series is a nobody inhabiting (or, perhaps more appropriately, inheriting) the role of a legendary soldier. Big Boss inhabits/inherits the role of The Boss, after her legacy is defamed. Solid Snake inhabits/inherits the role of Big Boss, after Big Boss' legacy is defamed. Raiden inhabits/inherits the role of Solid Snake, after Solid's legacy is defamed.

Big Boss, basically, effects (if the leak is true) a prototype of the S3 program."

Looking at it from this angle I kinda like it now.
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haha python was right
 
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