crazyrabbits
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A TV is not a peripheral.
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PlayStation VR will be priced as a new gaming platform, says Sony boss
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A TV is not a peripheral.
Neuromancer
Member
I'll look but I can't promise anything, it was a while ago and for some reason the story never got any traction.
How can you play your videogame without a TV addon?
Anything above $249 is outside my comfort zone. I hope Sony knows what they are doing because without a Killer App or a core experience this has a very handy chance of falling flat on it's face. I'd let Oculus work the kinks out and launch later once the technology has been proven for gaming experiences.
cheezcake
Member
Your TV has uses not limited to your console.
crazyrabbits
Banned
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. Hopefully the former.
A TV doesn't require other devices to operate on its own. A VR system does. That's what a "peripheral" is - an auxillary device that connects to another system in some way.
When/if VR can stand alone as its own platform that doesn't require external devices/systems to operate, we can revisit this conversation.
You have it backwards. Your PS4 is a TV peripheral/addon.
Alot of the official definitions of peripheral list output devices like monitors as examples of devices that are peripheral to a computer. A TV would be a peripheral in this line of thinking. Certainly a VR headset.
The problem with PSVR is that its only use is as an auxiliary device for the PS4, not that its a peripheral.
The problem with PSVR is that its only use is as an auxiliary device for the PS4, not that its a peripheral.
What does a TV do without something hooked up to it?
PS4 exclusive
Try watching a TV without and aerial, cable box or other thing to put the pictures in it.
Also, outside of basic channel and volume, most modern TVs are useless without a remote.
Lé Blade Runner
Member
I don't think I can even switch channels or the volume without a remote on my TV.
TheExecutive
Member
I do at $300 to $400. In the end it is a peripheral device that costs the same as a gaming platform.
Modern tvs can do Netflix, Hulu and plex a lot of times with nothing attached
boredandlazy
Member
Except a network cable. Or wifi.
UnwrittenZero
Member
The psvr blow out has to be soon right? Do you think they will drop the release date and price at psx? That's where I would do it surrounded by playstation fans that paid to be there.
You mean while being connected to the internet. Which requires a router or AP.
Except a network cable. Or wifi.
And a router.
IAmRandom31
Banned
I find it kind of hilarious sometimes how cheap gamers can be. Here is a high quality VR! device that some want to be $100 lol.
I fully expected 300-400$ for the VR out of the gate. Nothing else made any sense. Why would you want a cheap POS VR device as your first experience? That worked out real well for the Virtual Boy didn't it ( which wasn't even VR anyway )
Oculus will be priced the same
I fully expected 300-400$ for the VR out of the gate. Nothing else made any sense. Why would you want a cheap POS VR device as your first experience? That worked out real well for the Virtual Boy didn't it ( which wasn't even VR anyway )
Oculus will be priced the same
Not a Jellyfish
but I am a sheep
I was hoping for the sweet spot of 199 but if it is 249-399 it needs to have some killer software out of the gate for me to bite.
plagiarize
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It's a good sign that so many people are disappointed by the launch price. It shows that a lot of people are interested in paying money for VR and it's games, even if a lot of those people aren't interested at the launch price.
I'm expecting the consumer rift to hit at around $400 or so, so I can see this being a shade cheaper, but that will depend on what else comes with it. Like, I have a PlayStation camera and a couple of move controllers already, so I'm hoping I can just buy the headset, but I'd be surprised if they sell it without the camera included.
But if they do, then maybe they could get it down below $300... but I don't think that's going to do many people any good.
It's going to be a couple of years at least before we see a compelling all in one bundle with a PS4, but at a point that'll likely happen.
However it's definitely fair to say this price should have been expected given the technology in the headset and given the r+d costs. The DK2 is sold for $350 and that's basically as cheap as it can be without it losing Oculus money.
I'm expecting the consumer rift to hit at around $400 or so, so I can see this being a shade cheaper, but that will depend on what else comes with it. Like, I have a PlayStation camera and a couple of move controllers already, so I'm hoping I can just buy the headset, but I'd be surprised if they sell it without the camera included.
But if they do, then maybe they could get it down below $300... but I don't think that's going to do many people any good.
It's going to be a couple of years at least before we see a compelling all in one bundle with a PS4, but at a point that'll likely happen.
However it's definitely fair to say this price should have been expected given the technology in the headset and given the r+d costs. The DK2 is sold for $350 and that's basically as cheap as it can be without it losing Oculus money.
backbreaker65
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Patently false, sony has already said they have non-gaming VR content in the works, interactive as well as movies.
You miss understood what I mean I think the tech s great today but in 10 years it will be at a mass market pricing. I think they are releasing VR too soon in general. This is great but it need more time for the price to go down on the technology used in the VR devices. Also writing off the quote in the OP as vague is wrong in this situation it clearly suggests that is will be an expensive add on to the PS4. We can only hope that PSVR will be used in future devices and that is only if Sony chooses to support it.
FullmetalPain
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$200-$250 was my max :/
plagiarize
Banned
It'll get there. It just means you don't feel the price of entry is justified at launch. You might change your mind after trying one out, after a price cut, after specific games come out and get renewed or announced...
But this is pretty normal for a product launch. The vita was too expensive for me at launch, but I bought one a couple of years later when there was better software and it was at a lower price, and I never regretted it.
It's vanishingly rare for completely new kinds of consumer tech to ever launch at a mass market price.
Most modern commodity consumer electronics were expensive when they launched.
TheSlySoul
Member
I was hoping for around $200 like Kinect was at first.
$400 is a bit much to swallow. Although it is to be expected. iPhone 1 was $700.
$400 is a bit much to swallow. Although it is to be expected. iPhone 1 was $700.
The Artisan
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I dunno about that man
Not true for PS4. After initial setup, PS4 can run fine without TV using Remote Play.
Nikodemos
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If Sony are smart they'll price it the way they did the PS4: take a small loss per unit at launch that can be papered over via one game purchase (the PS4 was rumoured to lose Sony about $10-15 per unit sold back in late 2013, thus the "profitable with one game" line from... House, was it?, at the time) then slowly increase profit as economies of scale take over (the PS4 is profitable per-unit right now and will continue to be even after the £50 price cut).
If Sony manage to create a TV-less UI it will win them the first gen VR, no hyperbole.
Good point.
Anyway I don't get all this freaking out.
To clarify:
Am I willing to pay 400$? Hell no, not even half but I never expected the first vr devices to be 150-200...
Obviously it's not for everyone for the first couple of years.
What I really can't stand is people expecting everything to be affordable, sometimes I think we are a very spoiled society. When I was a kid I understood that there were stuff we couldn't buy regardless of how much I wanted them.
On the other hand, Sony should realize that regardless of the actual cost, there's a limit to what most people are willing to pay. If they can afford for it to sell a few thousands for the first year then they will be fine.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
I hope that's true. So far its all just promises.
Sumio Mondo
Member
There's not exactly a divulge of games coming out for it. Will probably shamble along like Vita, but won't be big.
Indeed it is. However to have games made for this it will need a larger market. That is why I think that the VR push is happening too soon. People expecting AAA value games are going to be disappointed for a long time.
Sidewinder
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I really want to know what they'll offer in that regard too and the price and the release date...PSX can't come soon enough!
plagiarize
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People often talk about how a game needs to be designed with VR in mind to truly offer a compelling experience in VR, but not everything needs to be a complete ground up redesign for the format. Granted, we aren't going to see many PS4 games retrofitted for VR because of the rendering requirements, but it would be fairly simple to take say Gran Turismo 6 and make a VR version for PS4.
I would personally consider something like that AAA. Anything cockpit based is easily adapted for VR from a game design point of view. But yeah on PS4 the game will need to target the very specific combination of the PS4s hardware and PSVR's framerate / stereoscopic rendering needs.
But flip it around. If you make a AAA cockpit based game for VR, you can also easily target standard PS4 and Xbox Ones at the same time like we're seeing with games like Elite Dangerous.
So sure, I don't expect there to be much on the PS4 that is solely designed with VR in mind, but at the same time, Elite Dangerous isn't held back as a VR game by the fact it's also releasing on Xbox One.
Also, you can make a game that targets a wide range of VR devices, as many people are doing. Expanding your potential audience beyond just the people buying PSVR, and if you use something like Unreal Engine 4, that's actually a very easy thing to do.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Lol
You pass on what? An invisible price you don't know of or just the entirety of VR? Because it certainly seems like the former
backbreaker65
Banned
They have already demo Mars a NASA title, and there is a movie coming out about tight roping and they have that experience as well it was demoed a couple of weeks ago.
video of a brief appearence of "MARS" co developed by NASA at the 1m36s mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av08y3vF1Rw
Here's the video for the Movie "The Walk" PSVR interaction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7A-CJbiXmU
MastaKilla
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I won't buy it at that price
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Virtua Boy came out in 1995.Virtual boy cost $180.00 US at 1990
A device with just one color.
And now (2015) some people want to get PSVR device for less than $200.00.
Incredible.
It wasn't even the best use of VR for its time.
Quite new technology for $400. Sounds realistic. However, I think the PS4 is not nearly powerful enough to run games at the necessary graphics and framerates people wilk desire. Not sure why people expect cheaply priced hardware. $200-$300 would likely represent cheaply manufactured hardware (i.e. junk). I'm sure we'll have enough junky VR coming out, eventually.
Mushroomer25
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But if those features were seriously important to people, they'd have already invested in a new PC. Ultimately they're asked to buy this new computer for the purpose of Oculus, and any additional benefit isn't going to add a ton of value. It doesn't make the pill any easier to follow.