It wasn't Sony alone, it was the Blu Ray association, Sony was just the majority owner which was why they pushed Blu Ray so hard, any royalties are paid to the association & then that money is split depending on their ownership percentage.
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Microsoft buys Havok from Intel, GAFfers tear skin off while screaming about endtimes
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It wasn't Sony alone, it was the Blu Ray association, Sony was just the majority owner which was why they pushed Blu Ray so hard, any royalties are paid to the association & then that money is split depending on their ownership percentage.
No. Not even remotely the same situations.
The Artisan
Member
i didn't even know havok was looking to be bought.
first mojang, now this.
so mS is gonna start making money off of every Ps4 game sold that uses it?
first mojang, now this.
so mS is gonna start making money off of every Ps4 game sold that uses it?
Atlas AS7-K
Banned
really?
After 4 months, my GAF account has been activated! My first post!
So I think this is great news, especially for the future of Crackdown 3. The Gamescom demo was very impressive, and MS buying Havok is a pretty huge deal imo. And it seems like MS wants to beef up their Azure cloud servers to make more games that take advantage of the cloud like C3 will. Exciting stuff.
So I think this is great news, especially for the future of Crackdown 3. The Gamescom demo was very impressive, and MS buying Havok is a pretty huge deal imo. And it seems like MS wants to beef up their Azure cloud servers to make more games that take advantage of the cloud like C3 will. Exciting stuff.
VincentMatts
Member
So none of the PC games made my 3rd parties uses it? Its still being used by many different companies technically, just not Sony and Nintendo since theyre exclusive games are being built on their platforms.
JeffG
Member
They are going to backdate the licensing and charge them a billion dollars.
Skellig Gra
Member
Nice move for MS, getting that royalty money.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
Now a days someone can just create their own physics engine right? They've sold that idea with lots of games.
"Never before seen physics engine"
"Physics engine will blow your mind"
"We're using an advanced physics engine with this"
It's probably a smart move, but chances are someone has an alternative or something as a backup. I wouldn't be surprised because there's a large field of AI programmers out there and people working freelance.
"Never before seen physics engine"
"Physics engine will blow your mind"
"We're using an advanced physics engine with this"
It's probably a smart move, but chances are someone has an alternative or something as a backup. I wouldn't be surprised because there's a large field of AI programmers out there and people working freelance.
in that case yeah but it is a poor example. my mistake. havok is middleware.
it would actually be:
havokx is open to all platforms
havokx.1 is exclusive to microsoft platforms
FranXico
Member
Similar to how their mobile division started announcing impressive profits despite low Windows Phone sales, thanks to patent trolling?
Yes and there is probably other MS owned patents/licenses that Sony uses that MS profit from.
There might even be Sony owned patents that MS use.
It's not a big deal with regards one of them making a profit off of the other.
FinalHeaven
Neo Member
This is pretty much summed up with one word, royalties.
Still a huge snag though, grats MS.
Still a huge snag though, grats MS.
I never said any of that, stop looking so deep into things.
SomedayTheFire
Member
Seems a odd move but great to see Havok still leading the industry. They're a great example for other Irish companies
VincentMatts
Member
I guess thats possible but i dont really see why theyd do that. Its just middleware in the end. Not a selling point really.
Um you need to look at what patent trolling actually means.
gaming_noob
Member
No thanks. I've seen some of these words before.
CosmicQueso
Member
Wait, what?
That's exactly what you said. That Microsoft would use a middleware platform to market its hardware.
DarthWalden
Banned
I don't get this deal? How does this benefit Microsoft other then they avoid/collect any royalties that need to be paid.
There must be something bigger at play here
Can they somehow incorporate this into direct x 12 and make it part of that?
There must be something bigger at play here
Can they somehow incorporate this into direct x 12 and make it part of that?
Atlas AS7-K
Banned
You mean like they did with Minecraft?
dr_rus
Member
This means that Havok is likely to:
a. Become Windows exclusive
b. Become completely free for developers
c. Get GPU acceleration support (via DXCS most likely)
But this won't happen soon and it won't happen to the versions they are licensing out right now. So skies won't fall and earth won't stop.
It means Microsoft makes money off Havok now, instead of Intel making money off Havok
Nothing really. Its unlikely anything will change for developers.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
You know the system wars are afoot when there is as much talk or more about what a purchase will take away from competitors than what the buyer gains from it.
The Artisan
Member
like what? blu ray's the only thing i can think of but i think that's already been discussed in this thread.
Yeah its BS. Havok is used so widely. Its like a plumbus.
doesn't have to be bigger than that
someone did a cost-benefit analysis, it came out better for MS if they bought Havok for a certain price in the long run... Intel accepted said price and that was that
now going forward MS don't have to pay that bit extra to intel, it stays internal.... they'll also take in all the little bits from sony, EA, activision etc etc aswell
rick and morty reference.... nice
I have no idea what tech patents Sony might own that MS use.
There might be some, that's why I said might.
I do know Sony aren't adverse to using MS patents.
CD?
No - that was same patent trolling that sadly underpins much of mobile industry.
Im clearly referring to having a toolset that's popular and positions MS as a services provider in line with their new stated direction.
I'm aware MS has many an ugly skeleton in their closet and far from approve of many of their business plays but not every move is evil in and of itself.
Probably.
They mentioned the cloud and Azure in the announcement, probably something to do with that.
Ganzlinger
Member
Great buy, MS.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Does this mean l can use the API for free as part of an SDK? 
Good news for me if true.
Good news for me if true.
Does this mean l can use the API for free as part of an SDK?
Good news for me if true.
I don't think there is any Amiga support sorry.
DarthWalden
Banned
I don't get that, If it works out in Microsoft's favour regarding just royalties that means Intel is getting an incredibly bad deal here.
Companies like Microsoft don't just aquire things like havok to avoid paying royalties.
There is something bigger at play and my suspicion is some big direct x integration. Someone else mentioned Azure and the cloud so maybe Microsoft is going to use this tech to develop some crazy cloud based physics.
You deserve some schleem for noticing that.