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[YianGaruga]

I logged out and was 2 million GMP in the red after the patch once, I don't even know why I have GMP online.

There is litereally no reason for this change other than to force people online. It's disgusting.
They advertised it with "more storage" but in reality they actually made the offline storage much, much smaller and put everything else online.

good times

thanks Konami

 

[TAJ]

Did you read the OP? he didn't play the FOB part.

I thought he meant that the people complaining haven't played the game. He never specified just FOB.

 

[Plasma]

I logged out and was 2 million GMP in the red after the patch once, I don't even know why I have GMP online.

There is litereally no reason for this change other than to force people online. It's disgusting.
They advertised it with "more storage" but in reality they actually made the offline storage much, much smaller and put everything else online.

good times

thanks Konami

The more storage argument is a joke when storage is just an arbitrary limit in the first place.

 

[Markoman]

I've played the game yesterday. Still no issues. Guess the best way to avoid the problem is not having a PS+ subscription ;P

I will try to get all remaining MB/recources-related trophies (nuke) before I enter the online part.

 

[Akiller]

So that's why i Lose those GMPs when i suddenly Got disconnected Yesterday.

 

[Blastoise]

I was wondering where all my gun placements went.

This is some straight horse shit.

 

[anothertech]

I was going to wait for a Game of the Year edition. But my interest is getting patched out.

#ThanksKonami

 

[LoveCake]

I have never even built a FOB, i did notice that my GMP seems to be low, didn't know exactly how much i had before but i did think it looked low & now i know why.

I have the Collector's Edition & i don't feel i got value & now it's even worse!

I have zero interest in playing online.

 

[brinstar]

I haven't touched the multiplayer in this yet but man I'm considering just trading in my copy for Dragon Quest Heroes or something. The game sounds worse with each patch and I can't see myself ever replaying this.

 

[danowat]

I would like to finish this game, but this crap they are pulling isn't making it fun, I haven't booted the game since the insurance fiasco.

Surely they must realise they are alienating a percentage of their userbase, or is the percentage of the userbase that likes this shit much larger and more lucrative?

 

[PetriP-TNT]

I have never even built a FOB, i did notice that my GMP seems to be low, didn't know exactly how much i had before but i did think it looked low & now i know why.

I have the Collector's Edition & i don't feel i got value & now it's even worse!

I have zero interest in playing online.

You literally don't have to pay attention to the FOB things if you don't want to. Just build the damn base, complete the tutorial (if you want to) and proceed to reap the benefits with very, very, very slight chance of someone raiding your online stuff.

I seriously don't understand why someone needs to take the extra steps, such as the ones in the OP, to avoid things that are totally optional and at worst, just benefit you with every step you take (such as being able to build quarters so much faster, if the time is a problem then you might just as well use a trainer and cheat your way out)

People seem to have read the news about the online insurance and such, but have no idea how the game actually works

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

I still hat this slide for the lack of capital F in the last line

 

[Benzychenz]

I still hat this slide for the lack of capital F in the last line

That just shows how little Konami cares.

 

[danowat]

You literally don't have to pay attention to the FOB things if you don't want to.

But you do, even if you have no interest in FOB's a portion of the resources you collect in the solo game are ring-fenced in your FOB whether you want them too or not, you have no control over it.

 

[Kouriozan]

The more storage argument is a joke when storage is just an arbitrary limit in the first place.

F2P mechanics.

 

[YianGaruga]

You literally don't have to pay attention to the FOB things if you don't want to. Just build the damn base, complete the tutorial (if you want to) and proceed to reap the benefits with very, very, very slight chance of someone raiding your online stuff.

I seriously don't understand why someone needs to take the extra steps, such as the ones in the OP, to avoid things that are totally optional and at worst, just benefit you with every step you take (such as being able to build quarters so much faster, if the time is a problem then you might just as well use a trainer and cheat your way out)

People seem to have read the news about the online insurance and such, but have no idea how the game actually works

The FOB forces you to connect online to use its features for no reason at all. It's turning the game into an always online experience if you want it or not.

Want so sell more than 3 vehicles? Go online
Want to expand your FOB to get single-player benefits? Go online
Don't want your GMP to drop into the red for no reason? Stay online.

Why can't I do those things while offline? There is absolutely no reason for the game to behave this way other than Konami wanting to force the multiplayer on you. It's not even about participating in the FOB stuff, it's about playing the game offline for whatever reason I want.

 

[DOWN]

I've never reached the FOB part of the campaign and it's started draining mine like this

 

[glaurung]

I still have not hit story mission 22 (or whatever it was where you are forced to build an FOB).

I will now simply wait in the menus and linger until I have managed to build most of the stuff I believe I need. RnD is at level 34, so I can build most of the stuff I want for now.

Of course, if the taxman comes around and pulls me all the way to the red, I cannot even go on sorties, because my GMP balance is so bad, right?

Fucking Konami. Fuck them in the fucking ear for fucking up this brilliant game.

 

[SURGEdude]

I guess. Seems a little dramatic.


Nope. These are my honest opinions. The only time I attempt to be the "other side" is when I make jokes that people take seriously for some reason.

When you spend so much time apologizing for the wrongs in gaming It's hard to tell when you're joking.

On topic, Konami is gonna milk this game as far as they can. If I was their Yakuza CEO I'd do the same.

PULL THE LEVER!!

 

[Chariot]

Is this the new concept for pre-orders and day 1? Buy now, before we patch it worse!

 

[akachan ningen]

Why would you opt out of FOBs? It's fun as hell. The highs when you successfully invade a base and the lows when you lose all your shit are a great roller coaster ride.

 

[YianGaruga]

Why would you opt out of FOBs? It's fun as hell. The highs when you successfully invade a base and the lows when you lose all your shit are a great roller coaster ride.

I definitely enjoyed what I played. Especially defending other's bases with the support feature. Shotgunning people who are trying to hide in the face is neat.

But It's about options. The game shouldn't force it on you.

 

[Doctor Doom]

This would seem to need some sort of MOD to fix at least on PC. But wouldn't such be fought against, and maybe even illegal?

 

[QuantumSingularity]

The most recent server maintenance (~30 mins ago) seems to have adjusted the offline resources cap. Now I only have 4 guns/5 mortars, and only 1 of each type of car/ truck. I still have 3 offline tanks though, which means I guess they lowered the offline cap for lower tier resources? Also just tested and GMP went from 3597460 to 1825080 when I disconnected. I think they adjusted the online GMP too.

 

[giant_frying_pan]

I still hat this slide for the lack of capital F in the last line

It's the best thing about it.

I think we're gradually getting a picture of how the schism between Konami and Kojima/Kojima Productions occurred.

 

[PetriP-TNT]

The FOB forces you to connect online to use its features for no reason at all. It's turning the game into an always online experience if you want it or not.

Want so sell more than 3 vehicles? Go online
Want to expand your FOB to get single-player benefits? Go online
Don't want your GMP to drop into the red for no reason? Stay online.

Why can't I do those things while offline? There is absolutely no reason for the game to behave this way other than Konami wanting to force the multiplayer on you. It's not even about participating in the FOB stuff, it's about playing the game offline for whatever reason I want.

Because the game was designed around those features and you can choose not to play the game and/or design your own game that works in a way you want to? I mean they are both viable options.

This would seem to need some sort of MOD to fix at least on PC. But wouldn't such be fought against, and maybe even illegal?

Who gives a shit if you want to play offline anyway? Just cheat any way you want to.

 

[Haunted]

Why would you opt out of FOBs? It's fun as hell. The highs when you successfully invade a base and the lows when you lose all your shit are a great roller coaster ride.

yeah why would people want their mgs experience to be single player

weirdos

 

[YianGaruga]

Because the game was designed around those features and you can choose not to play the game and/or design your own game that works in a way you want to? I mean they are both viable options.

That's a great defense. The game wasn't designed around those features, at all. It would work exactly the same without them.
You know, like before the last patch that made everything worse. Which is the point of this thread and my post.

The online invasions have literally nothing to do with the rest of the game.

 

[danowat]

Because the game was designed around those features and you can choose not to play the game and/or design your own game that works in a way you want to? I mean they are both viable options.

But it wasn't, it was changed in a patch, if the game was designed this way, way not have the same system in the release version?

I'll tell you why, because it wouldn't have reviewed anywhere near as well as it did.

 

[level1]

Nope. Fuck this shit. Not gonna bother finishing this game. Nope.

 

[Chev]

This would seem to need some sort of MOD to fix at least on PC. But wouldn't such be fought against, and maybe even illegal?

So far the best you can so is explained there: https://steamcommunity.com/app/287700/discussions/0/527274088391619270/

ie block MGS5 with your firewall. It won't ever go into online mode and you'll be spared the shenanigans. Updates will work fine since they're managed by Steam.

 

[GeeTeeCee]

Isn't it funny how the patch places more of your precious resources into online storage at the same time the insurance mechanic is introduced? Why, it's almost as if Konami are trying to make the insurance scheme more appealing. Gotta gouge that money somehow.

 

[PetriP-TNT]

But it wasn't, it was changed in a patch, if the game was designed this way, way not have the same system in the release version?

I'll tell you why, because it wouldn't have reviewed anywhere near as well as it did.

That's a great defense. The game wasn't designed around those features, at all. It would work exactly the same without them.
You know, like before the last patch that made everything worse. Which is the point of this thread and my post.

The online invasions have literally nothing to do with the rest of the game.

The online invasions have to do with the central gameplay mechanic of the game, the Forward Operating Base system. They have literally everything to do with the rest of the game. It's tied to the in-game economy in a way, albeit optionally enough that you don't have to do anything if you don't want to get any benefits from the same system. It's exactly the same case that it is with Dark Souls and it's invasion system. High rewards, much fun to play.

I acknowledge that deducting from money from your offline game if you are never online sounds like a bug and it's a bug that should be fixed. There's literally no reason why the game would work like that in ANY case and sounds like a (huge) oversight.

The "it would have reviewed worse" statement is absolutely ridiculous at least if you have actually played the game and know how the game works.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Isn't it funny how the patch places more of your precious resources into online storage at the same time the insurance mechanic is introduced? Why, it's almost as if Konami are trying to make the insurance scheme more appealing. Gotta gouge that money somehow.

I don't even get what it means, to have vehicles and shit stored online, those can't be stolen by a player.

 

[KORNdoggy]

this is such BS, tbh most of the stuff about the game has been. i'm honestly glad kojima can't touch this franchise anymore (let's face it, he's a hack) and konami have no intentions of adding to it. worst game this gen for me. massive disappointment.

 

[SolidChamp]

We'll see how long my run with the game is, and whether or not I even manage to make it to the end.

 

[PetriP-TNT]

I don't even get what it means, to have vehicles and shit stored online, those can't be stolen by a player.

You can have vehicles and other shit destroyed in other online modes too. You'll never need more than one vehicle when you are playing the single player campaign, but you can have like 10 online shenanigans requiring 30 cars in total going on at the same time.

this is such BS, tbh most of the stuff about the game has been. i'm honestly glad kojima can't touch this franchise anymore (let's face it, he's a hack) and konami have no intentions of adding to it. worst game this gen for me. massive disappointment.

That hyperbole. Tell me about your experiences playing MGSV online.

 

[danowat]

The "it would have reviewed worse" statement is absolutely ridiculous at least if you have actually played the game and know how the game works.

I do know how it works, and it's fundamentally different from how the release version worked.

The automatic allocation of resources accrued in solo mode, to online mode wasn't in the original, and it now forces players to use a mode that, in the release version, they could ignore.

I still stand by the fact that, if the ring fencing of solo mode resources and the associated insurance scheme was in the release version, it would have reviewed differently.

 

[YianGaruga]

I acknowledge that deducting from money from your offline game if you are never online sounds like a bug and it's a bug that should be fixed. There's literally no reason why the game would work like that in ANY case and sounds like a (huge) oversight.

It was intentionally patched in with the last patch and mentioned in the patch notes. How is that an oversight. There is now an online storage for all resources which you can only access if you're online.

And still, the whole additional economy would be EXACTLY the same if you could use it offline, but you can't. Dark Souls doesn't penalize you for going offline.

central gameplay mechanic of the game, the Forward Operating Base

lol

 

[glaurung]

Since I still have not hit mission 22, can someone tell me:

1. What kind of benefit does the insurance provide? Safeguard against 10 invasions? Safeguard for 20 days?
2. What does the insurance actually cost in real monies?

 

[PetriP-TNT]

It was intentionally patched in with the last patch and mentioned in the patch notes. How is that an oversight. There is now an online storage for all resources which you can only access if you're online.

And still, the whole additional economy would be EXACTLY the same if you could use it offline, but you can't. Dark Souls doesn't penalize you for going offline.

The patch notes mention that they move GMP to limbo if you are not online? That's the oversight. I have no problem with moving resources to online whatsoever if you are actually online.

 

[Mob_zter]

You guys are making this a big deal when its not. Most people don't even bother invading other peoples FOB. Even they did, they just try to go to the goal.

Also its really easy to defend your FOB & Its kinda FUN In my opinion.

FOB makes your Base levels Double. Its makes your Combat level & security level & R&D level up. All the good staff you have will remain on your mother base & worst ones will be transferred to FOB. So you don't lose your best staff even if someone did steal them. You can replace your stolen stuff in like 5 mins by doing free roam in Afghanistan or Africa.

When you have an FOB , if someone did invade & get captured or failed , you get free GMP.

If you are someone like me, who like to do Side missions & trophies & getting S ranks, you'll enjoy having an FOB.

If you are someone who just want to blast through the Main story & get it over with, just don't bother putting any effort to your FOB when you create it after mission

Spoiler

22

. Just ignore it & play the game after you created it. You'll have FUN with the main story.

 

[akachan ningen]

yeah why would people want their mgs experience to be single player

weirdos

FOB doesn't make the game multiplayer, that's mgo.

 

[DXLelouch153]

and just think
if the always online stuff passed for this gen consoles instead of us saying hell no go away this would be ALOT worse

 

[YianGaruga]

The patch notes mention that they move GMP to limbo if you are not online? That's the oversight. I have no problem with moving resources to online whatsoever if you are actually online.

Yeah that's what they say
At the same time they lowered the offline resource limits

GMP and materials limits are greatly increased online!

Following this update, the maximum amounts of GMP and materials you can possess will be much higher than before, as additional amounts can now be stored online by the server.
* You will need to be online to make use of GMP or materials amounts that exceed the local limit (the limit when playing offline).
* While offline, you will not be able to make use of GMP or materials stored on the server.

 

[PetriP-TNT]

Yeah that's what they say
At the same time they lowered the offline resource limits

It says that the local limit was always there?

 

[YianGaruga]

It says that the local limit was always there?

There always was a local limit. Now it's lower.
You think that was a bug? There was a maintanance today that specifically said it adjusted the limits, and some of them are EVEN LOWER now.

 

[kpaadet]

Shit like this is why I have a hard time going back to finish act 2, such a massive disapointment that game.

 

[PetriP-TNT]

There always was a local limit. Now it's lower.
You think that was a bug? There was a maintanance today that specifically said it adjusted the limits, and some of them are EVEN LOWER now.

It doesn't say anything about lowering the local limit, so yeah. Deducting GMP from your account every time you open the game obviously is a bug

 

[grumpy]

OOOOOOOOOH, so that's why my MB is always in the red.
I have no interest in the online/FOB shit so I wasn't paying enough attention during the patch installations and the updated TOS and all that.
Thank god I'm almost done with that game.