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[Certinty]

Can't say I'm too surprised.

I know a lot of Halo fans but barely any have an Xbox One, even on my friends list huge AAA games usually have at least 10 friends playing it but with Halo 5 it's at around 4.

 

[Pie and Beans]

divorce imminent sounds like the name of a Halo AI. Perhaps final boss for Halo 6? Topical.

We cold open on Chief and Locke space-netflix and chillin' when that perky new Forerunner AI flies in and interrupts and wisecracks "Imminent Divorce!"

Another terribly titled XB1 thread. Everyone on my friends list is playing it and no one I know in real life buys hard copies of games anymore.

I'm sure a kind mod will change it to "Halo 5 UK sales discussion: the good, the bad (or incomplete without digital sales data?)" shortly.

 

[mbmonk]

So assuming these numbers are even true

Is this one of those cases where someone tries to question the validity of the data without actually raising any kind of reason to back it up?

They get to shed doubt on something without having to say or prove anything.

Well played sir.

If I am incorrect i apologize.

 

[Jonneh3003]

Another terribly titled XB1 thread. Everyone on my friends list is playing it and no one I know in real life buys hard copies of games anymore.

Seriously? The digital prices are mad and if you don't like the game you're stuck with it.

 

[Interfectum]

So it's anecdotal that none of the other Halos were available digititally at launch?

If we counted digital sales the thread title would still be true.

 

[Hoo-doo]

So it's anecdotal that none of the other Halos were available digititally at launch?

Even a very conservative estimate on digital sales percentages would still lead to it being the lowest selling mainline Halo in franchise history.

Unless you're going to argue that the majority of sales were digital copies. Which, as already discussed, is ridiculous.

 

[TechnicPuppet]

It's not anecdotal that console digital sales top out at 20% on the higher end, which would still make the title of the thread correct.

So you have real non anecdotal evidence that Halo sold no more than 20% digital?

 

[Kayant]

Another terribly titled XB1 thread. Everyone on my friends list is playing it and no one I know in real life buys hard copies of games anymore.

it's ok the truth is hard to accept sometimes.

 

[Hasney]

So it's anecdotal that none of the other Halos were available digititally at launch?

ODST?

I mean, ignoring that, we also have this:

So for the digital people, we already have a statement every three months from major third parties that digital on traditional AAA is about 20% on the high end, which would still leave this as the worst selling entry.

Even if we assumed 30% for week one buyers, it would still be the lowest by far.

So you have real non anecdotal evidence that Halo sold no more than 20% digital?

No, but do you have evidence it sold more? Why would Halo be different than COD or any other game?

 

[MisterR]

in the UK? that sounds absurd

It sounds absurd, because it is completely absurd.

 

[Mendax]

Only it's not. It's the best Halo game since 3 and maybe the best Multiplayer since 2.

he was talking about games in general not just halo games; so he's right

 

[Enter The 36 Chambers]

Wow Reach sold more than Halo 3??

Well it was the better game

 

[Steverulez]

I doubt Microsoft is going to let 343i off the leash to develop their own thing anytime soon. They were assembled to make Halo and Microsoft is probably going to demand the release of a new Halo game every two/three holiday seasons. Ofcourse the consumer interest and quality of such a franchise is going to go down at some point. I could see Gears of War having the exact same problem next year.

I think if you were to look at a number of factors with Halo as a franchise: Multiplayer in 4 being disappointing (despite the game itself having high sales), MCC being broken, not really having a break as a franchise except for 2013... and all of the holidays previous to that except in 2008. Gears has had Judgment which didn't fare that well but its also had a 2.5 year gap from Judgment to Ultimate Edition (which was well received and worked fine)

I trust Rod in charge of Gears, he has all of the things he looked at for Gears 4 at Epic now with him at The Coalition and Gears Ultimate Edition did well, there may well be a case for Gears 5 to have the same issues Halo 5 did but I think the gap Gears has had will do well for it next year, better than 150k anyway

 

[Footos22]

Another terribly titled XB1 thread. Everyone on my friends list is playing it and no one I know in real life buys hard copies of games anymore.

I doubt everyone in your friends list is From the UK.

Even if its sales were lower then the other Halos on launch week in the Uk, no ones saying it sold badly. Could end up having the best legs. Ill def be getting it but late next year when i pick up Scalebound and quantum break for peanuts

 

[prwxv3]

So you have real non anecdotal evidence that Halo sold no more than 20% digital?

Even if it was 30 percent it would still be the lowest. There is no way it's over 30 percent.

 

[Kosma]

So it's anecdotal that none of the other Halos were available digititally at launch?

At least read the thread.

Then come back with some new material

 

[scoobs]

There are literally dozens of people on my friends list playing it.

Love these. Anecdotal evidence is not proof of anything. You think that might be the case because your friends list is made up of hardcore Halo/shooter fans?

That anyone can look at their friends list and assume it's representative of the entire market is just baffling.

 

[Super_Cobra]

Doesn't Microsoft always mentions something regarding the sales of halo after 24 hrs of release? I wonder what happened this time. Even if the game didn't sell as what people were expecting, I'm pretty sure it still sold very well.

 

[SparkTR]

So you have real non anecdotal evidence that Halo sold no more than 20% digital?

Quoting Nirolak

So for the digital people, we already have a statement every three months from major third parties that digital on traditional AAA is about 20% on the high end, which would still leave this as the worst selling entry.

Even if we assumed 30% for week one buyers, it would still be the lowest by far.

 

[Katana_Strikes]

Another terribly titled XB1 thread. Everyone on my friends list is playing it and no one I know in real life buys hard copies of games anymore.

Mods please change thread title to the much more accurate:

Halo 5; Everyone on my friends list is playing it and no one I know in real life buys hard copies of games anymore

Cause we all know that anecdote is superior to actual hard data.

 

[Stilton Disco]

Well I don't really watch it either. Only Football/F1 and a bit of E4 in passing while I eat. So many BLOPS III and Fallout ads and even a few AC: Syndicate a little while ago, but I can't think of a single Halo one I've seen. It's strange because there were so many of them a few months back.

I've been seeing them in ad breaks for comedies on Ch4/E4 and the shitty reality TV shows my fiancées little sister watches. Surprised they've not been showing up around football though. Would have thought the FIFA fanbase would be quite into Halo.

 

[Diprosalic]

Another terribly titled XB1 thread. Everyone on my friends list is playing it and no one I know in real life buys hard copies of games anymore.

Halo 5 best selling game ever, digital sales account for 110%!

 

[Steverulez]

Doesn't Microsoft always mentions something regarding the sales of halo after 24 hrs of release? I wonder what happened this time. Even if the game didn't sell as what people were expecting, I'm pretty sure it still sold very well.

It was a week for Halo 4

 

[Bgamer90]

Love these. Anecdotal evidence is not proof of anything. You think that might be the case because your friends list is made up of hardcore Halo/shooter fans?

That anyone can look at their friends list and assume it's representative of the entire market is just baffling.

It works both ways.

A post like that in response to this situation wouldn't get the same amount of attention as someone saying they only have "1 or 2 people" playing it on their friends list.

 

[SilentRob]

Why? NPD threads only track physical games as well and those numbers are more than valid. We can't start discrediting these things now just because Halo 5 is performing up to par in a certain region.

NPD threads are even more inaccurate and meaningless these days as digital seems to be even more popular in the US. These numbers are just not useful and possibly misleading on their own.

You are piling onto people who discredit these numbers because of anecdotal circumstance, but then double down on a number which you know is incomplete and continue to compare it to past games's numbers. You can't do that. You COULD talk about retail numbers on their own, but you cannot compare these numbers with retail sales in the past, when retail is only one of two big ways of buying games these days. It's silly.

 

[OléGunner]

At least 94% of my friends list is playing it(984ppl) and my circle of friends (all 7 of us) all bought digitally too so there is a real shift.

These sales charts are not even telling half the story any more, it's a new dawn and all you non-digital dinosaurs just don't get it.

Actually these UK sales charts tell at least 80% of the story.

 

[MisterR]

Your mad if you think digital isn't drastically outselling physical.

I can name one person out of a friendship group of 10 people who bought Halo 5 physically rather than digital. That's 10/90% split in physical/digital in my friendship group. I'd say it's a similar story in a lot of other peoples.

Also:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ssassins-creed-syndicate-launch-by-50-percent



Cover 20%? Your mad.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Kosma]

Halo 5 would need to sell 42% digitally to pass Halo 3: ODST.

 

[boredandlazy]

Halo 5 best selling game ever, digital sales account for 110%!

Have they started selling it in China yet?

 

[Shahed]

So you have real non anecdotal evidence that Halo sold no more than 20% digital?

More to the point that anecdotes don't really matter. Everything is different in someone else's bubble. If you want to use anecdotes, my own is that I bought Halo 1-4 (Anniversary edition of 1) and Reach but I didn't buy Halo 5. that lines up more accurately with the data we do have. Between us who anecdotes are right and more meaningful? Obviously neither since both are pretty useless

Personally I do hope Halo 5 does well though. While I haven't played it I've heard good things about it especially regards to the campaign

 

[Lothars]

Doesn't Microsoft always mentions something regarding the sales of halo after 24 hrs of release? I wonder what happened this time. Even if the game didn't sell as what people were expecting, I'm pretty sure it still sold very well.

I thought it was within the first week normally that they announce something. So we have until tomorrow I believe.

 

[Hasney]

NPD threads are even more inaccurate and meaningless these days as digital seems to be even more popular in the US. These numbers are just not useful and possibly misleading on their own.

While I'd love to see the digital sales as well, if we're only missing approx. 20% due to these sales (console wise, not PC), it surely tells a big part of the story,

 

[thekiddfran]

This news plus Microsofts lack of communication about first 24 hours of sales would start to shed light on the situation.

Hopefully we hear about USA soon

 

[Rymuth]

So for the digital people, we already have a statement every three months from major third parties that digital on traditional AAA is about 20% on the high end, which would still leave this as the worst selling entry.

Even if we assumed 30% for week one buyers, it would still be the lowest by far.

OP, please sticky this post.

 

[MisterR]

There are some truly delusional Halo fans in this thread.

 

[SwolBro]

Yes, and by all accounts they have all been very well received.

The thing is, Naughty Dog probably gets the leeway to decide things like these. Go in a different direction on a new franchise for a while. They have a proven track record of creating a mindblowing new IP from scratch with TLOU. They'll probably get to do it again.

I doubt Microsoft is going to let 343i off the leash to develop their own thing anytime soon. They were assembled to make Halo and Microsoft is probably going to demand the release of a new Halo game every two/three holiday seasons. Ofcourse the consumer interest and quality of such a franchise is going to go down at some point. I could see Gears of War having the exact same problem next year.

And Halo hasn't been all well received? And actually sold a lot more? This is just another instance of people going fucking bananas prematurely. The franchise has been on a decline since Halo Reach, this has been known. All franchises experience this at some point. But the doom and gloom being spouted is absurd.

Naughty Dog is talented enough to have some type of control but to say they don't have a leash is, well....they just knocked out 4 of the same title in less than 2 whole gens! And TLOU isn't that far of a departure from Uncharted, lets be honest.

Gears already hit a decline with Gears 2 and 3 in my opinion. They haven't been able to recapture what made Gears 1 great. We'll see what happens with 4. All in all we already heard Phil Spencer say Microsoft will be heavily pursuing new first party IP, didn't we get that thread already? And yet we had people that shat on it as if it was being done because third party games weren't selling high enough on the platform or some shit. There's a theme going on, isn't there?

 

[Markoman]

Mods please change thread title to the much more accurate:

Halo 5; Everyone on my friends list is playing it and no one I know in real life buys hard copies of games anymore

Cause we all know that anecdote is superior to actual hard data.

this made me laugh, thx.

 

[Jack The Nipper]

It has been time for halo to be halo

halo maps
no sprint
no clamber
no thrusting or anything with boost.


Focus on the maps, focus on the tight gameplay and simple arcade style with depth. We the fans will take note and bang our chest, pour our hearts and time in it and all the old fans will come back with a mighty and welcomed tbag all over each other. Do it 343.

And please bring back H3 avanalche lol

katana I still have my old h3 friends list (I think I saw 3 or 4 of the 80 plus on H5) not only did those guys stop playing halo after reach, sthey stopped playing games too

 

[lefantome]

343i ruined Halo.

The plot is ludicrous, the campaigns are shallow and the multiplayer of Halo 4 probably has turned many people away.

Add that not all people prefer 60fps over good graphics and larger scale environments and battles in the campaign.

 

[Lothars]

Gears already hit a decline with Gears 2 and 3 in my opinion. They haven't been able to recapture what made Gears 1 great. We'll see what happens with 4. All in all we already heard Phil Spencer say Microsoft will be heavily pursuing new first party IP, didn't we get that thread already? And yet we had people that shat on it as if it was being done because third party games weren't selling high enough on the platform or some shit. There's a theme going on, isn't there?

They made Gears better with Gears 2 and 3. Gears Ultimate proved that and not in the most flattering way.

 

[BokehKing]

Game had to have sold at least 1-2 million copies in the first two days no? World wide?

 

[digoutyoursoul]

I think if you were to look at a number of factors with Halo as a franchise: Multiplayer in 4 being disappointing, MCC being broken, not really having a break as a franchise except for 2013... Gears has had Judgment which didn't fare that well but its also had a 2.5 year gap from Judgment to Ultimate Edition (which was well received and worked fine)

I trust Rod in charge of Gears, he has all of the things he looked at for Gears 4 at Epic now with him at The Coalition and Gears Ultimate Edition did well, there may well be a case for Gears 5 to have the same issues Halo 5 did but I think the gap Gears has had will do well for it next year, better than 150k anyway

Don't you see a problem there though? I enjoy Gears , even the multiplayer of Judgement had its moments but when is enough going to be enough? Halo 6,7 etc and Gears 4, 5 etc ? I know it's very difficult to make a big hit but for me it comes a time when you feel do you need it anymore? They have invested in these studios such as 343 and Black Tusk to bring out these games every two or three years. Why can't MS get behind them with fresh ideas and new IP ?

Look at Naughty Dog, given the green light for the Last of Us and it was a big hit commercially and critically. Why can't MS do the same ? I'm glad Uncharted is going for a rest after 4, as much as I am a fan I don't want to see fatigue really set in.

 

[SwolBro]

They made Gears better with Gears 2 and 3. Gears Ultimate proved that and not in the most flattering way.

Please, no. Lets not get started on that. Not the appropriate place for me to tell you that you're crazy.

 

[prwxv3]

And Halo hasn't been all well received? And actually sold a lot more? This is just another instance of people going fucking bananas prematurely. The franchise has been on a decline since Halo Reach, this has been known. All franchises experience this at some point. But the doom and gloom being spouted is absurd.

Naughty Dog is talented enough to have some type of control but to say they don't have a leash is, well....they just knocked out 4 of the same title in less than 2 whole gens! And TLOU isn't that far of a departure from Uncharted, lets be honest.

Gears already hit a decline with Gears 2 and 3 in my opinion. They haven't been able to recapture what made Gears 1 great. We'll see what happens with 4. All in all we already heard Phil Spencer say Microsoft will be heavily pursuing new first party IP, didn't we get that thread already? And yet we had people that shat on it as if it was being done because third party games weren't selling high enough on the platform or some shit. There's a theme going on, isn't there?

Wat this is not true at all. Just because they are third person games does not make them the same.

 

[thekiddfran]

Mods please change thread title to the much more accurate:

Halo 5; Everyone on my friends list is playing it and no one I know in real life buys hard copies of games anymore

Cause we all know that anecdote is superior to actual hard data.

 

[Xando]

Game had to have sold at least 1-2 million copies in the first two days no? World wide?

Maybe it sold 1 million in the UK alone. My whole friends list is playing it.

 

[methodman]

No local multi online fucked this game. Thanks 343. first halo I won't be buying ever

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Reports confirm its not 2007 anymore.

 

[Dunlop]

Mods please change thread title to the much more accurate:

Halo 5; Everyone on my friends list is playing it and no one I know in real life buys hard copies of games anymore

Cause we all know that anecdote is superior to actual hard data.

The title in itself is inflammatory as the OP itself mentions there is no data for Halo 1.

Clearly the title under performed which is likely related to shooter fatigue and a lower console user base

 

[CryptiK]

I'd say this has more to do with the hardware rather than the software.