Lara gets nearly as much shit as Drake, there's no conspiracy.
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Rise of the Tomb Raider - Review Thread
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Lara gets nearly as much shit as Drake, there's no conspiracy.
Ascenion
Member
Agree. Holding to this release date knowing of Fallout 4 seems insane. I mean I remember in the thread about them picking this date Greenberg I think defended it with a pick your battles mentality, but this has no multiplayer and is completely single player. I'd have taken the Tuesday before Black Ops 3, or better yet the Tuesday before Halo 5, or even the same day as Syndicate. It'd had a better chance I think, as I really want this game to succeed.
Launching 4 days before Halo is still pretty dangerous for a ''xbox exclusive''. I agree with the beggining of the month thing though,
But Im sure the game will do just fine, no huge numbers but good ones.
EatChildren
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brickarts295
Member
Ehh, I haven't' seen them. Every time someone brings Lara to one those topics some always defend her kills as "trying to survive by any mean necessary" and that Drake has no remorse for his kills compared to Lara.
Uh huh.
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
Member
I bought an xbox for this and Halo so I'm extremely pleased to hear its great.
Ftfy. You'll learn and we're here to help. No thanks needed.
On topic:
I'm excited for this but not sure where to fit it in this season. Loved the first one as it was a surprise to me how much fun it was. Nice to see that the formula is intact and improved upon. Too many games this season. (Like that's a bad thing)
Ehh, I haven't' seen them. Every time someone brings Lara to one those topics some always defend her kills as "trying to survive by any mean necessary" and that Drake has no remorse for his kills compared to Lara.
Uh huh.
Drake gets his defense force too.
RedAssedApe
Banned
Ehh, I haven't' seen them. Every time someone brings Lara to one those topics some always defend her kills as "trying to survive by any mean necessary" and that Drake has no remorse for his kills compared to Lara.
Uh huh.
nah...the same thing always comes up in any thread that discusses TR2013
Jack The Nipper
Banned
I had played the other TR last year and didn't feel it felt a lot like classic tomb raider in design at all. I know this one won't either and that disappoints me. I may just end up playing through all the old TR games again and I don't know where to ask this but
what are the best versions of all the old tomb raider games to play. I know the old ones were released on ps1/pc and maybe a few remakes and even maybe a strange ps2 only release very late in the life of the series too that was sort of like a budget title but maybe im misremembering? any details from a hardcore fan? It would make for a great in depth thread.
I don't mind to play them on ps1, I just wish we could get a new game with that sort of design and atmosphere going.
what are the best versions of all the old tomb raider games to play. I know the old ones were released on ps1/pc and maybe a few remakes and even maybe a strange ps2 only release very late in the life of the series too that was sort of like a budget title but maybe im misremembering? any details from a hardcore fan? It would make for a great in depth thread.
I don't mind to play them on ps1, I just wish we could get a new game with that sort of design and atmosphere going.
Ascenion
Member
Ehh, I haven't' seen them. Every time someone brings Lara to one those topics some always defend her kills as "trying to survive by any mean necessary" and that Drake has no remorse for his kills compared to Lara.
Uh huh.
Lara and her murdering is more of a problem due the cognitive/ludonarrative dissonance. Drake is never portrayed as helpless, afraid and just trying to survive. Not to mention if the feminist frequency review is to be believed the narrative of Uncharted doesn't go with hypocritical moral garbage about why the killing is occurring and justification like Rise apparently tries to. That's why I don't give Drake crap. He and I both know what he is and why he does what he does. He's no saint, he's a thief. Lara I just don't know, but I know it isn't survival.
Unless ND fucks it up big time i don't see U4 doing less than 90-92
LifEndz
Member
It's possible. Reviewers may not like the last of us guys version of uncharted.
Sniffynose
Member
Whoa, I pre-orered this too because I liked the last one and didn't want to wait a year for the ps4 version. Did not see those scores coming!
I'm really excited, this and Fallout 4 are my holiday games =)
I'm really excited, this and Fallout 4 are my holiday games =)
Gamezone
Gold Member
Gamereactor Norway - 9/10
http://www.gamereactor.no/anmeldelser/365003/Rise+of+the+Tomb+Raider/?noad
http://www.gamereactor.no/anmeldelser/365003/Rise+of+the+Tomb+Raider/?noad
Krappadizzle
Member
What's the framerate at? I've not seen it mentioned anywhere yet. Though, I haven't been looking either.
ZettaiSeigi
Member
Nice reviews. Can't wait to get the game on the PS4 next year (should be the complete edition by then, hopefully.) I guess I should go and buy that reboot from a few years back.
Xan Kriegor
Banned
Those games bombing doesn't change the fact that a multiplat SF would have sold millions. Was Capcom in a financial situation that required them to take a financial risk by developing SF5? Sure. Was it absolutely impossible to do SF5 without Sony or another partner? Yeahno. You could even argue that if Capcom would havē waited longer the install base would be bigger.
I don't want to derail the thread any further.
Gamezone
Gold Member
RedAssedApe
Banned
Entirely possible as some people preferred TR2013 to Uncharted. Also the expectations are much higher for UC4.
Triggerhappytel
Member
I'm pretty sure Ono has openly said that SFV would have still happened, but Capcom weren't prepared to fund it for a few years, so the funding from Sony brought its release forward by a couple of years.
Well just like Drake has his defenders, Lara has her defenders. Mass murderer Lara issue is brought up plenty and it's no less an issue than it is with Drake.
I think the reason there is any backlash is a lot simpler than that.
OT - Game looks great, enjoyed the last one and I will enjoy the crap out of this. looking forward to this more than FO!
Solid overal. Sometimes a very little drop if it gets extreme hectic.
d00d3n
Member
They will probably be quite evenly matched imo, but if ND deliver on that free arena highly mobile combat seen in some gameplay footage, it might be enough to push Uncharted 4 a bit higher.
entirely possible, higher expectations and completely different type of game
Jack The Nipper
Banned
I buried it as soon as I knew there would be a sequel.
Xan Kriegor
Banned
And what would have happened if they waited a couple of years? Bigger market. Sorry, I promised not to derail.
OT: Will the 360 version be reviewed?
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Nowadays every game gets that 6/10 series fatigue review that keeps it from becoming a 90+ MC. All it takes is one clickbaiter.
Good, old Lara was boring.
It seems like the game still has the problem of the dissonance between gameplay and story. They created this real empowering combat system but then tried to portray Lara as "just doing it to survive". The players aren't really feeling that, it's an intention that they apparently fail to deliver. It seems they would be better to either rethink how combat works or just drop that side of the story. I think that experience bars don't help with this at all since you are rewarded for killing and it makes you feel good when it probably shouldn't.
That said, the core gameplay elements seem to be extremely polished and fun and the game also brings back some of the exploration and puzzle elements from original Tomb Raider which is good. Looks like a great game if you ignore the story bits that clash with the gameplay.
That said, the core gameplay elements seem to be extremely polished and fun and the game also brings back some of the exploration and puzzle elements from original Tomb Raider which is good. Looks like a great game if you ignore the story bits that clash with the gameplay.
This.
There's one moment in UC2 where somebody brings up the 'how many people have you killed' thing, and in a very meta moment, we watch Drake on-screen basically purse his lips and ignore it. The point of the games is that their narrative ignores stuff like that. It's the point.
TR2013, conversely, made such a big deal in its opening hour about how Croft was a normal person who wouldn't/couldn't kill anyone and didn't want to and the first time she kills someone she's horrified. Then she does it ten more times in the space of five minutes without blinking an eye.
I enjoyed the last Tomb Raider game a lot, but one thing I can't forgive Crystal Dynamics for is their absolutely abysmal sense of tone and pacing, which seems to have carried over for the new title, too. It was obvious even from the pre-release videos.
Exactly. And frankly, it would take relatively little work to fix the whole issue: just decimate the fucking story content. The only reason there's dissonance is because CD are trying too hard and overwriting everything. If TR2013 had opened with her in the cave, cutting that awful pre-ren cutscene, and drip-fed us the set-up over the course of an hour, the the opening would have been fine. And if Lara talked/moaned about 1/3rd as much as she does currently, with less dialogue on the whole, the whole issue wouldn't exist. It's only because they wanted to make it such a talkie (like Uncharted) that there is an issue at all. They have some fundamental misunderstandings about what makes a narrative strong.
Romars202129
Member
Ehh, I haven't' seen them. Every time someone brings Lara to one those topics some always defend her kills as "trying to survive by any mean necessary" and that Drake has no remorse for his kills compared to Lara.
Uh huh.
Well, to be frank Tomb Raider has a more serious tone than Uncharted, and Laura is more serious character. Whereas, Drake is a goofy adorable jokester in Uncharted.... who racks up about a thousand kills a game.
One feels more hypocritical than the other. Narrative dissonance and all that.
Syria is the most beautiful? that's a bummer, I was impressed by that Syria demo and I thought that the other locations they've shown was pretty mediocre visually, was hoping for more beautiful locations like Syria or even prettier than that.
Now I feel like I've seen the best looking thing the game has to offer...
So no. Pro tip if you're trying to prevent thread derailments (which is fair enough goal) don't add a probably false even more likely to derail idea.
There's little chance you're right. TR sold over 7 million and was clearly getting a Multiplatform sequel (and lets be blunt SE panicked and squealed it's coming to PC and PA4 and even gave date ranges) and its therefore obvious this is paid exclusivity.
Also id note much of the concern is actually guenuinely for the game and the franchise. Good reviews are great but if it gets swamped by the over big titles this period and underperform a on PC and PS4 then that's bad for the franchise and a lot more impactful than good reviews.
It is good it's got good reviews and there should indeed be no whining about the deal itself so let's not make wild speculations about the deal then and leave modding to mods on any whining.
Why don't you just play Legend, Anniversary and Underworld?
Anniversary probably best for you.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Fuck yeah. Been thinking about holding off because I believe this game will be free next October with GwG but I just want it so much.
CryTharsis
Banned
The hype about Unchar ..sorry...Naughty Dog is bigger, so the score will be higher.