Where is the controversy at? The two groups talked and quickly reached an understanding and the situation was quickly resolved? Isnt that mature? How does this lead to losing allies? ( As in real allies, not the online ones that are only allies to mention how bad they are treating allies.)
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Nobody mentioned a controversy.
The message this sends is. "White people you're wrong, even if you're on our side."
Seems to be a suprisingly common message that's being sent. Like the black lives matter groups shutting down rallies for democratic candidates like Bernie Sanders.
Then fuck em, honestly. If people saying we appreciate what you're doing but we'd like to be involved and lead on this issue stops you from supporting a cause, then you were never an ally.What? Why would you STOP people from supporting you? Alot of people who came out of you that day might not come out again as a result of doing this...
Despite finding the student's concerns a tad odd (and able to be resolved in a less dramatic way), I am unsettled by the quality of some of the comments in reaction to this.
The message this sends is. "White people you're wrong, even if you're on our side."
Seems to be a suprisingly common message that's being sent. Like the black lives matter groups shutting down rallies for democratic candidates like Bernie Sanders.
What? Why would you STOP people from supporting you? Alot of people who came out of you that day might not come out again as a result of doing this...
yeah its a terrific strategy they're using. these people of color unions are very smart.
Hmmm, are you that's the message or instead is the way you want to interpret it to confirm your own bias? Cause with that bernie name drop, it sounds a lot like the latter.
There are people who never cared much about the problems expressed by these black students in the first place and at worst just wanted some excuse to undermine their plights, whether it's because they're not "protesting properly", making safe spaces, or because of isolated incidents like that altercation with the photojournalist.
Just look at those Mizzou and Yale protest threads and you get a good idea of what I'm talking about. Hell, take a look at any BLM protest thread as well, especially the one's about Bernie Sanders.
What? Why would you STOP people from supporting you? Alot of people who came out of you that day might not come out again as a result of doing this...
Durr. Please show us some smart tactics you might use oh great white man.yeah its a terrific strategy they're using. these people of color unions are very smart.
From how it reads no-one attended. The article says the event was planned and the creator cancelled it after the backlash. From that I assume the photo from the article is a stock photo and the thread title a play on words, as the protest was online not in person.But it was akward and probably discouraged others who attended from participating in future events.
As an aside, I wonder why there is a notable uptick now in protesting at universities and colleges.
BasicallyThen fuck em, honestly. If people saying we appreciate what you're doing but we'd like to be involved and lead on this issue stops you from supporting a cause, then you were never an ally.
Then fuck em, honestly. If people saying we appreciate what you're doing but we'd like to be involved and lead on this issue stops you from supporting a cause, then you were never an ally.
The protest never got off the ground to begin with, it was in planning stages. Op has a stock photo. And there are already protests organized by other student unions, so I doubt it. This is a non issue.Hmm, that IS true but the loss of numbers can still be a negative, even if some of them weren't overly passionate
I would argue that it looks self serving for a white dude to organize a protest when other student unions(which he probably didn't join) are organizing protests already. That's not solidarity, that's co-opting a movement for self promotion.So was there actually anything wrong with the execution of the protest or were they just upset their organization didn't get involved? If it's the latter it would seem kind of petty.
From how it reads no-one attended. The article says the event was planned and the creator cancelled it after the backlash. From that I assume the photo from the article is a stock photo and the thread title a play on words, as the protest was online not in person.
This irks me. Perhaps not your comment directly, but the thought that because of a small incident of miscommunication that was resolved very quickly, certain white people would just give up on the notion that black lives do matter, and that police brutality is an issue, and that economic disparity exists, and that prisons are biased. All of those objective facts thrown to the wind because of one day at Cornell.
Why would you feel reticent when you were in the wrong though. This was a lame attempt at self aggrandizment. If his intentions were pure then he'd realize that he should have been inclusive or joined on of the already active movements. You should only feel apprehensive in the future about staying in your lane. Which is something anyone should do to begin with.Ah you're right, but in some ways it's kind of worse.
My understanding was he created a Facebook page for an Event that was to happen. He was then ridiculed by people saying he was mocking the struggles of our communities and creating an event to promote himself. Called a troll and essentially a glory seeker etc. Then the Black Students United group asked him to shut it down.
Maybe he was just attention seeking, maybe he wasn't. All I know is if he was serious and really wanted to help after people reacted like that I would be more reticent in the future, shaming people, especially when they really haven't done anything wrong isn't a great way to establish relations.
Exactly.It seems they only protested because they weren't involved with the protest whatsoever, which I can understand. It's like having a feminist protest with zero women involved. It's greatly appreciated that you recognize the issue, but really weird that you didn't involve the people directly affected by the issue at all.
I don't think a protest is the right way to go about it though. Did they try talking to the person in charge first?
It seems they only protested because they weren't involved with the protest whatsoever, which I can understand. It's like having a feminist protest with zero women involved. It's greatly appreciated that you recognize the issue, but really weird that you didn't involve the people directly affected by the issue at all.
I don't think a protest is the right way to go about it though. Did they try talking to the person in charge first?
I don't see how that's just as bad. It'd have been way worse if he and whatever stragglers he could round up showed up to protest and were greeted by a counter-protest of minorities, no way that'd have been "just as bad" an outcome.Ah you're right, that's what I get for being reactionary before reading. However, in some ways it's just as bad.
My understanding was he created a Facebook page for an Event that was to happen. He was then ridiculed by people saying he was “mocking the struggles of our communities” and “creating an event to promote himself.” Called a troll and essentially a glory seeker etc. Then the Black Students United group asked him to shut it down.
Maybe he was just attention seeking, maybe he wasn't. All I know is if he was serious and really wanted to help after people reacted like that I would be more reticent in the future, shaming people, especially when they really haven't done anything wrong isn't a great way to establish relations.
Maybe I'm just weird then, as an LGBT person, if I saw a group of straight people do a rally in support, I wouldn't think "hey there aren't any gay people there!", I'd think "Wow, they supported us without us even having to ask, that's really awesome!"
Maybe I'm just weird then, as an LGBT person, if I saw a group of straight people do a rally in support, I wouldn't think "hey there aren't any gay people there!", I'd think "Wow, they supported us without us even having to ask, that's really awesome!"
Would you be suspicious of a straight persons with intentions of organizing a protest when there's already one being planned by the schools LGBT union?Maybe I'm just weird then, as an LGBT person, if I saw a group of straight people do a rally in support, I wouldn't think "hey there aren't any gay people there!", I'd think "Wow, they supported us without us even having to ask, that's really awesome!"
Did the BSU plan one? There is nothing of that in the article or the facebook post.Would you be suspicious of a straight persons with intentions of organizing a protest when there's already being one planned by the schools LGBT union?
Would you be suspicious of a straight persons with intentions of organizing a protest when there's already being one planned by the schools LGBT union?
It's in the guys apology. There were already ones planned. He could have joined those ones but made his own for some reason. That's not solidarity, but his intentions may have been noble.Did the BSU plan one? There is nothing of that in the article or the facebook post.
That's exactly what it is. This shit is a nonissue if I ever saw one. There wasn't a protest, a guy was planning one. Black student nipped it in the bud "thanks we appreciate your support, but you didn't include us. If you did, you'd know we already have things planned".I would be very curious to know why the OP (and the article they linked) used a photo from MU to talk about a protest (which doesn't sound like it was a protest at all) at Cornell.
It's almost like someone is trying to stir up controversy or something.
Would you be suspicious of a straight persons with intentions of organizing a protest when there's already one being planned by the schools LGBT union?
There's nothing to indicate that they couldn't join though. Only that the organizer overstepped his bounds. If he was really an ally, he'd join. That's solidarity.I'd probably ask to join the two protests into one, if anything, not ask them to stop
And not because there weren't any gay people in one, but just because it makes more sense than having two in a short timeframe, but again, maybe that's just me
There's nothing to indicate that they couldn't join though. Only that the organizer overstepped his bounds. If he was really an ally, he'd join. That's solidarity.
Not everything is black or white (metaphorically). Certainly you have a number of people who are firmly committed to the cause (or against it) but more people than you probably imagine fall somewhere in the middle. If you are trying to sway the fence-sitters to your side, poor PR from things like mishandling student journalists and shutting down your allies because they "didn't ask first" isn't helping.
None of those things are about emancipation within a society.So, do I have to get a monk's advance permission to hold a Free Tibet rally?
Should I get approval from a homeless person before I start a food drive?
This is a false equivalency. Don't be ridiculous, seriously.So, do I have to get a monk's advance permission to hold a Free Tibet rally?
Should I get approval from a homeless person before I start a food drive?
His apology lmao