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[PulseONE]

What? Why would you STOP people from supporting you? Alot of people who came out of you that day might not come out again as a result of doing this...

 

[Into]

Where is the controversy at? The two groups talked and quickly reached an understanding and the situation was quickly resolved? Isnt that mature? How does this lead to losing allies? ( As in real allies, not the online ones that are only allies to mention how bad they are treating allies.)

CTRL+F "controversy"

1 result found: JDSN


Nobody mentioned a controversy.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

How did the words of one woman not even affiliated with the group get them to act

Also nobody else notice the Confedereaper or what

CTRL+F "controversy"

1 result found: JDSN


Nobody mentioned a controversy.

Ok Drax

 

[mmazurkiewicz]

The message this sends is. "White people you're wrong, even if you're on our side."

Seems to be a suprisingly common message that's being sent. Like the black lives matter groups shutting down rallies for democratic candidates like Bernie Sanders.

yeah its a terrific strategy they're using. these people of color unions are very smart.

 

[Big Baybee]

What? Why would you STOP people from supporting you? Alot of people who came out of you that day might not come out again as a result of doing this...

Then fuck em, honestly. If people saying we appreciate what you're doing but we'd like to be involved and lead on this issue stops you from supporting a cause, then you were never an ally.

 

[chaobreaker]

Despite finding the student's concerns a tad odd (and able to be resolved in a less dramatic way), I am unsettled by the quality of some of the comments in reaction to this.

There are people who never cared much about the problems expressed by these black students in the first place and at worst just wanted some excuse to undermine their plights, whether it's because they're not "protesting properly", making safe spaces, or because of isolated incidents like that altercation with the photojournalist.

Just look at those Mizzou and Yale protest threads and you get a good idea of what I'm talking about. Hell, take a look at any BLM protest thread as well, especially the one's about Bernie Sanders.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Also why are Twitter posts unrelated to this event in the OP?

Odd ducks

 

[DerangedHermit]

The message this sends is. "White people you're wrong, even if you're on our side."

Seems to be a suprisingly common message that's being sent. Like the black lives matter groups shutting down rallies for democratic candidates like Bernie Sanders.

Hmmm, are you that's the message or instead is the way you want to interpret it to confirm your own bias? Cause with that bernie name drop, it sounds a lot like the latter.

What? Why would you STOP people from supporting you? Alot of people who came out of you that day might not come out again as a result of doing this...

Then they aren't really allies or supporters ...

yeah its a terrific strategy they're using. these people of color unions are very smart.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

The "Thank you for calling me out on my ignorance" part gets me about his response.

 

[The Llama]

Had to read the topic title 3 times to actually understand what was going on.

What a time to be alive.

 

[HarryKS]

Yo dawg, I heard you like protests, so I had a protest at your protest.

 

[Cromat]

Identity politics: what you are matters more than what you say or do.

 

[Aztechnology]

Hmmm, are you that's the message or instead is the way you want to interpret it to confirm your own bias? Cause with that bernie name drop, it sounds a lot like the latter.

Yea it's probably confirmation bias. I just don't understand the concept of shutting down someone in these fashions when they clearly want to help. It definitely didn't feel like it was handled well. Given the guy will probably not stop trying to make a difference just because of that. But it was akward and probably discouraged others who attended from participating in future events.

 

[Africanus]

There are people who never cared much about the problems expressed by these black students in the first place and at worst just wanted some excuse to undermine their plights, whether it's because they're not "protesting properly", making safe spaces, or because of isolated incidents like that altercation with the photojournalist.

Just look at those Mizzou and Yale protest threads and you get a good idea of what I'm talking about. Hell, take a look at any BLM protest thread as well, especially the one's about Bernie Sanders.

I suppose that is right. One does see similar trends...

What? Why would you STOP people from supporting you? Alot of people who came out of you that day might not come out again as a result of doing this...

This irks me. Perhaps not your comment directly, but the thought that because of a small incident of miscommunication that was resolved very quickly, certain white people would just give up on the notion that black lives do matter, and that police brutality is an issue, and that economic disparity exists, and that prisons are biased. All of those objective facts thrown to the wind because of one day at Cornell.


As an aside, I wonder why there is a notable uptick now in protesting at universities and colleges.

 

[justjohn]

yeah its a terrific strategy they're using. these people of color unions are very smart.

Durr. Please show us some smart tactics you might use oh great white man.

 

[Ivan Amiibo]

LOL CORNELL

they're all just mad because they didn't get into h/y/s

 

[mAcOdIn]

But it was akward and probably discouraged others who attended from participating in future events.

From how it reads no-one attended. The article says the event was planned and the creator cancelled it after the backlash. From that I assume the photo from the article is a stock photo and the thread title a play on words, as the protest was online not in person.

 

[chaobreaker]

As an aside, I wonder why there is a notable uptick now in protesting at universities and colleges.

IMO this was going to happen eventually, the protests at MU was the tipping point.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

This is a non issue, it was resolved


Also, to be clear. It's great to have white allies, and have you speak on behalf of the margenalized, black people. But you shouldn't speak FOR or over black people. Being inclusive from the ground up >>>>

Then fuck em, honestly. If people saying we appreciate what you're doing but we'd like to be involved and lead on this issue stops you from supporting a cause, then you were never an ally.

Basically

 

[Lime]

this is totally fine, reasonable and understandable, why would anyone have a problem with this?

lol at the "left eating the left" or "White people you're wrong, even if you're on our side." comments I'm reading in this thread

 

[PulseONE]

Then fuck em, honestly. If people saying we appreciate what you're doing but we'd like to be involved and lead on this issue stops you from supporting a cause, then you were never an ally.

Hmm, that IS true but the loss of numbers can still be a negative, even if some of them weren't overly passionate

 

[Dude Abides]

I've always despised the People's Front of Judea.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Hmm, that IS true but the loss of numbers can still be a negative, even if some of them weren't overly passionate

The protest never got off the ground to begin with, it was in planning stages. Op has a stock photo. And there are already protests organized by other student unions, so I doubt it. This is a non issue.

 

[Kinyou]

So was there actually anything wrong with the execution of the protest or were they just upset their organization didn't get involved? If it's the latter it would seem kind of petty.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

So was there actually anything wrong with the execution of the protest or were they just upset their organization didn't get involved? If it's the latter it would seem kind of petty.

I would argue that it looks self serving for a white dude to organize a protest when other student unions(which he probably didn't join) are organizing protests already. That's not solidarity, that's co-opting a movement for self promotion.

 

[Aztechnology]

From how it reads no-one attended. The article says the event was planned and the creator cancelled it after the backlash. From that I assume the photo from the article is a stock photo and the thread title a play on words, as the protest was online not in person.

Ah you're right, that's what I get for being reactionary before reading. However, in some ways it's just as bad.

My understanding was he created a Facebook page for an Event that was to happen. He was then ridiculed by people saying he was “mocking the struggles of our communities” and “creating an event to promote himself.” Called a troll and essentially a glory seeker etc. Then the Black Students United group asked him to shut it down.

Maybe he was just attention seeking, maybe he wasn't. All I know is if he was serious and really wanted to help after people reacted like that I would be more reticent in the future, shaming people, especially when they really haven't done anything wrong isn't a great way to establish relations.

 

[Machine]

This irks me. Perhaps not your comment directly, but the thought that because of a small incident of miscommunication that was resolved very quickly, certain white people would just give up on the notion that black lives do matter, and that police brutality is an issue, and that economic disparity exists, and that prisons are biased. All of those objective facts thrown to the wind because of one day at Cornell.

Not everything is black or white (metaphorically). Certainly you have a number of people who are firmly committed to the cause (or against it) but more people than you probably imagine fall somewhere in the middle. If you are trying to sway the fence-sitters to your side, poor PR from things like mishandling student journalists and shutting down your allies because they "didn't ask first" isn't helping.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Ah you're right, but in some ways it's kind of worse.

My understanding was he created a Facebook page for an Event that was to happen. He was then ridiculed by people saying he was “mocking the struggles of our communities” and “creating an event to promote himself.” Called a troll and essentially a glory seeker etc. Then the Black Students United group asked him to shut it down.

Maybe he was just attention seeking, maybe he wasn't. All I know is if he was serious and really wanted to help after people reacted like that I would be more reticent in the future, shaming people, especially when they really haven't done anything wrong isn't a great way to establish relations.

Why would you feel reticent when you were in the wrong though. This was a lame attempt at self aggrandizment. If his intentions were pure then he'd realize that he should have been inclusive or joined on of the already active movements. You should only feel apprehensive in the future about staying in your lane. Which is something anyone should do to begin with.

 

[kewlmyc]

It seems they only protested because they weren't involved with the protest whatsoever, which I can understand. It's like having a feminist protest with zero women involved. It's greatly appreciated that you recognize the issue, but really weird that you didn't involve the people directly affected by the issue at all.

I don't think a protest is the right way to go about it though. Did they try talking to the person in charge first?

 

[JaggedSac]

William Otis received a patent for the steam shovel.

lol

 

[Imm0rt4l]

It seems they only protested because they weren't involved with the protest whatsoever, which I can understand. It's like having a feminist protest with zero women involved. It's greatly appreciated that you recognize the issue, but really weird that you didn't involve the people directly affected by the issue at all.

I don't think a protest is the right way to go about it though. Did they try talking to the person in charge first?

Exactly.

As a feminist/pro-feminist voice I would never try to speak FOR women on such a large scale. Solidarity would entail being inclusive of women. Basically, stay in your lane. That's what it means to be an ally. Not self promotion.

 

[PulseONE]

It seems they only protested because they weren't involved with the protest whatsoever, which I can understand. It's like having a feminist protest with zero women involved. It's greatly appreciated that you recognize the issue, but really weird that you didn't involve the people directly affected by the issue at all.

I don't think a protest is the right way to go about it though. Did they try talking to the person in charge first?

Maybe I'm just weird then, as an LGBT person, if I saw a group of straight people do a rally in support, I wouldn't think "hey there aren't any gay people there!", I'd think "Wow, they supported us without us even having to ask, that's really awesome!"

 

[mAcOdIn]

Ah you're right, that's what I get for being reactionary before reading. However, in some ways it's just as bad.

My understanding was he created a Facebook page for an Event that was to happen. He was then ridiculed by people saying he was “mocking the struggles of our communities” and “creating an event to promote himself.” Called a troll and essentially a glory seeker etc. Then the Black Students United group asked him to shut it down.

Maybe he was just attention seeking, maybe he wasn't. All I know is if he was serious and really wanted to help after people reacted like that I would be more reticent in the future, shaming people, especially when they really haven't done anything wrong isn't a great way to establish relations.

I don't see how that's just as bad. It'd have been way worse if he and whatever stragglers he could round up showed up to protest and were greeted by a counter-protest of minorities, no way that'd have been "just as bad" an outcome.

College, life really, is a learning experience and this was a learning experience for him. Much like getting burned by a hot stove shouldn't stop you from learning how to cook getting scolded by those you(hopefully) truly wish to help shouldn't stop you from learning how to help.

Like other's have said, if this shuts him down for life then he wasn't serious at all anyways but if he learns from it and can drag his circle of friends into the larger picture than it was a success.

 

[kewlmyc]

Maybe I'm just weird then, as an LGBT person, if I saw a group of straight people do a rally in support, I wouldn't think "hey there aren't any gay people there!", I'd think "Wow, they supported us without us even having to ask, that's really awesome!"

It's not really about asking permission, but more like not asking for help.

 

[Aztechnology]

Maybe I'm just weird then, as an LGBT person, if I saw a group of straight people do a rally in support, I wouldn't think "hey there aren't any gay people there!", I'd think "Wow, they supported us without us even having to ask, that's really awesome!"

Right there with you.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Maybe I'm just weird then, as an LGBT person, if I saw a group of straight people do a rally in support, I wouldn't think "hey there aren't any gay people there!", I'd think "Wow, they supported us without us even having to ask, that's really awesome!"

Would you be suspicious of a straight persons with intentions of organizing a protest when there's already one being planned by the schools LGBT union?

 

[Chariot]

Would you be suspicious of a straight persons with intentions of organizing a protest when there's already being one planned by the schools LGBT union?

Did the BSU plan one? There is nothing of that in the article or the facebook post.

 

[Christopher]

Would you be suspicious of a straight persons with intentions of organizing a protest when there's already being one planned by the schools LGBT union?

I mean right...?

I think the black students message was very clear and understanding of what they want.

Stop protesting on their behalf ESP without consulting them ...wtf?

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Did the BSU plan one? There is nothing of that in the article or the facebook post.

It's in the guys apology. There were already ones planned. He could have joined those ones but made his own for some reason. That's not solidarity, but his intentions may have been noble.

 

[benicillin]

I would be very curious to know why the OP (and the article they linked) used a photo from MU to talk about a protest (which doesn't sound like it was a protest at all) at Cornell.

It's almost like someone is trying to stir up controversy or something.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

I would be very curious to know why the OP (and the article they linked) used a photo from MU to talk about a protest (which doesn't sound like it was a protest at all) at Cornell.

It's almost like someone is trying to stir up controversy or something.

That's exactly what it is. This shit is a nonissue if I ever saw one. There wasn't a protest, a guy was planning one. Black student nipped it in the bud "thanks we appreciate your support, but you didn't include us. If you did, you'd know we already have things planned".

 

[PulseONE]

Would you be suspicious of a straight persons with intentions of organizing a protest when there's already one being planned by the schools LGBT union?

I'd probably ask to join the two protests into one, if anything, not ask them to stop

And not because there weren't any gay people in one, but just because it makes more sense than having two in a short timeframe, but again, maybe that's just me

 

[Imm0rt4l]

I'd probably ask to join the two protests into one, if anything, not ask them to stop

And not because there weren't any gay people in one, but just because it makes more sense than having two in a short timeframe, but again, maybe that's just me

There's nothing to indicate that they couldn't join though. Only that the organizer overstepped his bounds. If he was really an ally, he'd join. That's solidarity.

 

[Jme]

So, do I have to get a monk's advance permission to hold a Free Tibet rally?
Should I get approval from a homeless person before I start a food drive?

 

[PulseONE]

There's nothing to indicate that they couldn't join though. Only that the organizer overstepped his bounds. If he was really an ally, he'd join. That's solidarity.

If they declined joining then I would agree, it would seem they'd be out for something else if that were the case

But the base concept of a group doing a protest on behalf of a minority NEEDING that minority to happen is one I don't see the controversy behind

 

[esms]

Not everything is black or white (metaphorically). Certainly you have a number of people who are firmly committed to the cause (or against it) but more people than you probably imagine fall somewhere in the middle. If you are trying to sway the fence-sitters to your side, poor PR from things like mishandling student journalists and shutting down your allies because they "didn't ask first" isn't helping.

Correct. Unfortunately, it's all about optics.

 

[Condom]

So, do I have to get a monk's advance permission to hold a Free Tibet rally?
Should I get approval from a homeless person before I start a food drive?

None of those things are about emancipation within a society.

 

[jchap]

His apology lmao

 

[Imm0rt4l]

So, do I have to get a monk's advance permission to hold a Free Tibet rally?
Should I get approval from a homeless person before I start a food drive?

This is a false equivalency. Don't be ridiculous, seriously.

 

[Lime]

His apology lmao

What's wrong with it?