slavesnyder
Member
If EA was clever they already prepared an update for Battlefront with some stuff from the new film as fan service or microtransactions.
7 Dollar per Kylo.
Could work.
7 Dollar per Kylo.
Could work.
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NPD Sales Results for November 2015 [Up3: Combined Hardware For PS4 + XB1 + Wii U]
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Neuromancer
Member
The other stab in the back for TR was that the bundle came with the 1TB Xbone, which is good for enthusiasts, but bad for sales since it was $50 more than almost every other bundle.
slavesnyder
Member
The whole bundle concept for TR (price, content, timing, availability) should have been a reason to sue microsoft.
"what? They insisted on a bundle in the contract? Well, I will teach them a lesson to ask for things like that."
Doesn't a contract partner have to agree on things like this? Or, at least, don't you ask for his opinion if you appreciate him?
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
I'm glad this has blown up in their faces. What the fuck.
Thats a great point. I would have bought the TR bundle, but I have zero need for the 1TB and extra cost associated with it. I did buy the game separately though once I got a cheaper bundle.
Can someone explain to me how apparently SE didnt put in tangible contractual stipulations regards how TR was going to be marketed/bundled/sold by MS because unless theyve received it monetary in lieu, it seems it was sent to its death irrespective of U4 being there or not.
While I guess they now have the funds to ensure a third game to end the trilogy how is any of this growing the IP?
ps3ud0 8)
While I guess they now have the funds to ensure a third game to end the trilogy how is any of this growing the IP?
ps3ud0 8)
Plague Doctor
Member
It was a crap deal from top to bottom. Nothing good could have (and appears to) come from it. A game with good reviews was wished out into the cornfield for some bizarre marketing scheme involving exclusive match up that never happened, placed in a crowded release window, and then not supported adequately in advertising/shelving.
That would make the contract risk free for square. Why would you make that deal if you're Microsoft?
Nightengale
Member
On the whole concept of SE/MS possibly having wanted to market TR as "Xbox's Uncharted-equivalent" and wanting to ride the hypetrain of "exclusive vs exclusive" UC4 vs ROTR comparisons...
Honestly, from the perspective of the whole “fanboy war” of UC4 vs ROTR, if that was the angle that MS was going for…
UC4’s delay wouldn’t had mattered at all.
The reality is that even if UC4 and ROTR isn’t facing each other head-to-head, the fact that ROTR is a timed-exclusive for Xbox should’ve been more than sufficient to fuel the Xbox hardcore hype that it was an exclusive that was worth supporting, even if the chief competition only comes out 5 months later.
The fact that ROTR sold so poorly is simply a testament to the fact that stoking console/exclusive listwarz fanboys into buying ROTR instead of say… Fallout 4, simply because one was exclusive and one isn’t, is downright stupidity.
Protip : console warriors who would buy an exclusive game because they’re fueled by the console warz exclusive vs exclusive hype is a minority among minorities. Majority buys games to play games, not to “elevate exclusive game” for the sake of making it more competitive against competitor exclusive.
Because it's clear from how things transpired who's the more stupid party in this contractual relationship.
It's not MS.
Honestly, from the perspective of the whole “fanboy war” of UC4 vs ROTR, if that was the angle that MS was going for…
UC4’s delay wouldn’t had mattered at all.
The reality is that even if UC4 and ROTR isn’t facing each other head-to-head, the fact that ROTR is a timed-exclusive for Xbox should’ve been more than sufficient to fuel the Xbox hardcore hype that it was an exclusive that was worth supporting, even if the chief competition only comes out 5 months later.
The fact that ROTR sold so poorly is simply a testament to the fact that stoking console/exclusive listwarz fanboys into buying ROTR instead of say… Fallout 4, simply because one was exclusive and one isn’t, is downright stupidity.
Protip : console warriors who would buy an exclusive game because they’re fueled by the console warz exclusive vs exclusive hype is a minority among minorities. Majority buys games to play games, not to “elevate exclusive game” for the sake of making it more competitive against competitor exclusive.
Because it's clear from how things transpired who's the more stupid party in this contractual relationship.
It's not MS.
What makes you think that SE was negotiating from a position of power? Everything we have read and seen so far indicates that they weren't.
...argh, I know that feel bro.
CosmicQueso
Member
This whole industry is a goddam shitshow.
Burn it all down.
Oh God. What have you done.
Nah. Analysts get paid shit in publishing, especially on the AAA side. The biz dev people that actually decide these dumb deals? Yeah, they get paid. Handsomely.
Burn it all down.
Oh God. What have you done.
Nah. Analysts get paid shit in publishing, especially on the AAA side. The biz dev people that actually decide these dumb deals? Yeah, they get paid. Handsomely.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
LTD, Splatoon > Bloodborne
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Nightengale
Member
Splatoon selling more than Bloodborne would've been shocking months ago. Right now the whole drama of Splatoon being a pre-launch potential bomba IP for Nintendo has washed away and is now seen as a huge success story.
This industry apparently has terrible analyst who can't into basic maths of 400 million. And they're probably paid 4-5x of what I'm paid.
That's not as bad as terrible business decision makers because the reality is that we have idiotic decisions at all spectrums of businesses, regardless of how smart they are 99% of the time.
Steve Balmer is a good example of a smart man who made several terrible business decisions almost entirely out of being jealous of competition.
This industry apparently has terrible analyst who can't into basic maths of 400 million. And they're probably paid 4-5x of what I'm paid.
That's not as bad as terrible business decision makers because the reality is that we have idiotic decisions at all spectrums of businesses, regardless of how smart they are 99% of the time.
Steve Balmer is a good example of a smart man who made several terrible business decisions almost entirely out of being jealous of competition.
The more shocking part will be when it outsells Halo WW for 2015 becoming the biggest exclusive of the year
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Makes sense. Splatoon is a better game. Come at me Bloodborne bros.
Seriously pretty amazing since Splatoon has barely had any sales and bloodborne has been 20 bucks multiple times already.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
yes. though that does close the gap a decent amount.
Ghost Slayer
Member
Well I was wondering that there should be some expectations from SE what MS needed to do with RotTR to ensure it at least gets value from the exclusivity deal including perhaps a sliding bar of requirements to at least make sure it doesnt bomb (SE/CD at least ensured it was a good game), ultimately to me TR as an IP is far weaker than before this deal which seems obviously avoidable.
Man I thought Nintendo/Sony contract issues were unique then seemingly comes SE/Microsoft. SE doubled down if the latest insider info is wholly true.
You know what, Ive assumed completely that SE were holding the cards (MS approached SE for a UC answer) and I dont know why. I thought they had enough faith in the TR IP to keep on with series development and that issues like it not meeting expectations revolved more around their exaggerated estimates more than anything. I guess the longer dev and sales are heavy discounts as well as throwing on PS+ and GWG didnt really make it that profitable...
Worrying about the UC4 effect just doesnt feel like it should have driven the whole deal but perhaps it did. I guess Y2Kevs response above also points to your conclusion...
ps3ud0 8)
lightning2k3
Member
Do we know what the average retail vs digial split is on wii u vs the other consoles? It would be interesting to see if its higher or lower than the 20% that sony and microsoft average.
Imru al-Qays
Banned
One of the more sordid corporate intrigues, for sure. And some of the stuff Microsoft did to the TR bundle certainly reeks of sabotage. But why? Does Microsoft really want to buy Crystal Dynamics?
in japan, splatoon is a system-selling savior of 2015. without that one game it would have been a long hard road to the nx in 2016. with it, the decline in 2016 won't be as painful.
in the united states it's a game that overperformed expectations. it didn't really light up the wii u like it did in japan.
chromatic9
Member
Third week was BF here
http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1148991
Just saying the decline in the third week would've been less than usual thanks to many titles selling more and would boost TR a little bit. Also ROTR UK only dropped 39% in the second week and is holding well.
Xbone was reported 10 million to retailer last November and Microsoft did some pretty good numbers in last year December and they have done over 1.5 million this November in UK and USA. So I believe 6 million for the whole year is quite probable. I think 16 - 18 million should be the range. 14 million is just ...
DamonForever
Member
I don't know, if I was SE, and I felt like MS didn't carry their weight as part of the deal, my business dealings with them in the future would be very frosty.
Welfare
Member
No. More around 16 million as of the end of November.
Ryng, post if you're ok.
slavesnyder
Member
Also: why the hell does microsoft want to piss off square enix?Imru al-Qays;189336854 said:
You'd guess that a good relationship to such an important publisher should be reasonable.
This deal and how MS interpreted it seems to be more like a middle finger than a shaken hand.
slavesnyder
Member
System shipped to retailers alone don't create MAUs.
They are masters of sell-in it seems, but how much are actually bought?
I don't know, you tell me?Imru al-Qays;189336854 said:
http://venturebeat.com/2014/08/18/xbox-boss-on-uncharted/
Keeping in mind that, when possible, MS is all about the shortcuts (buying an established IP/ established studio).
Crystal Dynamics is also at the core of the Uncharted-ization of Tomb Raider, is a very capable studio technically, and their last two games were favorably received generally.
So, again not saying that's the case, but there are "hints" imho.
Imru al-Qays
Banned
The problem with Microsoft is that it sometimes doesn't behave like a rational actor and its business partners don't realize what's happening until it's too late. Even with the Nokia thing, Microsoft basically destroyed an entire country's manufacturing base to get its hands on a storied company that it has proceeded to totally neglect. An ocean of ink has been spilled about the Nokia purchase and I don't think we're any closer to fathoming the depths of Microsoft's incompetence and negligence.
So Microsoft concludes a deal with Square and then proceeds to fuck its partner over every which way. Why? Square probably doesn't know. Maybe Microsoft doesn't know, or their reasons only make sense in the context of a corporate culture that's totally insane.
What's the point of "good" 39% drop cuz sales are damn low. I know that 3rd week was a Black Friday week. Game didn't got any boost during that week.
Well, you said it's a little more. I'm reffering to that 2 mil. Xbones are around 10% of total install base.
Steam + Japan + NPD is well over 2.25m. Add in the rest of the world and digital sales on console and you are not bring generous at all.
iceblade997
Member
I don't know, you tell me?
http://venturebeat.com/2014/08/18/xbox-boss-on-uncharted/
Keeping in mind that, when possible, MS is all about the shortcuts (buying an established IP/ established studio).
Crystal Dynamics is also at the core of the Uncharted-ization of Tomb Raider, is a very capable studio technically, and their last two games were favorably received generally.
So, again not saying that's the case, but there are "hints" imho.
From the article:
So why put it in a bundle, and give said bundle exclusivity to 1 retailer in the US? That one still doesn't make sense... Like someone said if they'd been willing / able to remove that single retailer availability, make it their premier holiday bundle (instead of the Gears one) and (maybe) drop the price to $350, maybe they could've made better use of it. This whole thing still doesn't make sense...
Also, what does MAU stand for? It's been mentioned a lot in here.
This has probably had a knock-on effect on how relations between Squenix and Sony have been going lately, especially with regards to how Sony will handle the FFVII remake debut.
Welfare
Member
If the Xbox One were at a flat 16 million, 2 million would be 12.5%.
So yeah, it's most likely higher than 10% of the Xbox One's LTD right now.
jhmtehgamr20xx
Banned
They're completely different types of games; you can't objectively compare them like that.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
You can't compare video games objectively at all.
Nightengale
Member
Xbone was report almost 10 million last November.
chromatic9
Member
Maybe you've missed the point. The sales being damn low or shit has no bearing to the point I was making which was I reckon it's around 90k in the UK now after 5 weeks. We know after 2 weeks it's 70k. We didn't get numbers for week three so you don't know it got a boost or not but looks like they pretty much all did, can you at least read the link. If ROTR didn't get a boost then it probably wouldn't hold in the top 15.
ethomaz
Banned
> or < 1m?
MS reported they WILL sell 10 million soon last November (they didn't give any target and most probably they were talking about sell-in).
With 9.8m sold in US the range for WW is 14m (30%) to 16.3m (40%)... anything over that is just...
slavesnyder
Member
You can't spell Spencer without PR.
Monthly Active Users. Microsoft's new metric of success for Xbox instead of HW numbers.