Anton Sugar
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Adam Driver is a worse actor than Haden Christensen.
I am okay with telling you that you are objectively wrong about this.
Adam Driver is a worse actor than Haden Christensen.
Again, Luke just abandons a small child in the desert?
The only problem with Rey being obiwan's daughter is time.
There's a ton of stuff in the trailers not in the final movie, like Maz giving Leia Luke's lightsabre and Leia telling Rey "The Force is calling to you, let it in."There has to be shit on the cutting room floor. This movie felt too short. Leia didn't even talk to Chewie after Han died.
I know Kylo got shot, but I didn't like how he didn't win vs people that had no training. It was still a good scene though.
Regarding how Rey somehow knew how to do the Jedi mind trick, I thought it was weird for half a second then remembered something from a bit earlier. When discussing Luke Skywalker, Rey says that she thought he was a myth. Now picture the local areas around Jakku. Very likely you'd overhear something along the lines of, "I hear Luke Skywalker can make anyone do whatever he wants just by waving his hand." Cue to Rey being desperate and knowing she is force sensitive, might as well give it a try. She didn't get it right at first.
It's unlikely, but I kinda want a KOTOR style twist and make Rey someone who was evil or had bad parents, which is why she was abandoned or hidden away.
How do you figure no training? Finn was a Stormtrooper and Rey had obviously been taking care of herself for 14 years. Clearly she could fight.I know Kylo got shot, but I didn't like how he didn't win vs people that had no training. It was still a good scene though.
Who said they had no training? We've seen that Stormtroopers get trained with a melee staff, and we've seen earlier that Rey is quite efficient with her own staff. Seems like skills that should transfer over to a lightsaber. It's not like they were deflecting blaster shots level of skilled.I know Kylo got shot, but I didn't like how he didn't win vs people that had no training. It was still a good scene though.
I really wanted to see Luke take out some people.
I am okay with telling you that you are objectively wrong about this.
I know Kylo got shot, but I didn't like how he didn't win vs people that had no training. It was still a good scene though.
I really wanted to see Luke take out some people.
I think making Luke the father works better because, regardless of who is the dad, people will be interested in finding out who her mom is. And it's way more interesting to learn more about someone Luke loved than someone Obi-Wan loved, at least in a saga film.And I don't think it's as good a theory as being Luke's kid because it seems narratively cleaner to make her Luke's daughter.
There's a ton of stuff in the trailers not in the final movie, like Maz giving Leia Luke's lightsabre and Leia telling Rey "The Force is calling to you, let it in."
Overall, I'd honestly rank it dead last. It was just missing the charm of the old movies, something even the prequels got right. Might change with a second viewing, but that's how I feel.
The only problem with Rey being obiwan's daughter is time. obiwan died in A new hope, and there was a 30 year gap between RotJ and TFA. If Rey is about 20, then how could Obiwan have fathered her after RotJ if he died in a New hope?
Thought he looked like one of the Engineers from Prometheus.The new emperor was kinda lame too. Just bring back sheev.
I think that's fair- the notion that the awkwardness in the dialogue is character work, rather than a problem with the script. I mention it only as something that stood out to me versus the first time around, and as highlighting how much better the movie was written than the prequels overall.I actually loved that scene. Finn to me is like a really awkward home-schooled kid who's interacting with people for the first time. Socially, he's like a ten-year-old, which makes him talking like that endearing.
That sequence, minutes later when all hell has broken loose, is exquisite. Many kudos to J.J. Abrams' DP for making it such a creative and exciting shot, and Boyega did sell it.Same with him yelling "That's one hell of a pilot!" If someone else had done it, would have felt weird, but Finn has an infectious childlike excitement.
There's a lot of things about Luke's behavior that this movie calls into question. Mindwiping a 5 year old and leaving her with a junk dealer would be a big one, yeah. Completely abandoning the entire galaxy after Kylo Ren betrays him and kills all of his students is another big one.
It's not Rey being Obi-Wan's daughter. It's being a relation.
And I don't think it's as good a theory as being Luke's kid because it seems narratively cleaner to make her Luke's daughter.
But isn't she like 3-5 years when she is abandoned?
Haha that's literally what George does.It's not like they turn on the camera and are like "ok do you thing" "cut" .
There's a lot of things about Luke's behavior that this movie calls into question. Mindwiping a 5 year old and leaving her with a junk dealer would be a big one, yeah. Completely abandoning the entire galaxy after Kylo Ren betrays him and kills all of his students is another big one.
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jett said:Do you think they have all this crap fully mapped out or that JJ pulled an asshole move on Rian Johnson and just dumped this mess on his lap?
Nope, you're not. That line's clearly in there to make it explicit that Luke's not her father, but people keep missing it.I feel like the only person who thought it was clear that Luke isn't her father.
When Maz is talking about her waiting for her parents and she says, "You know the truth, the people who left you aren't coming back for you. But there is one who might."
Your parents don't have to be force wielders for the children to be. It's just how attuned people are. Some more than others.True but wasn't Luke the last living jedi? Would the code/rules still apply in that case? I always figured it was something set in place while the jedi council was active. Like something they enforced and taught. Without that and without other jedi, maybe his view would change over time. I doubt it though.
Starting a new Jedi Academy =/= starting a Jedi Academy just like the old ones
I gotcha. It definitely stood out for me, as the movie had been moving so damn fast up until that point, but I dug it and actually wish they had slowed down more often.I think that's fair- the notion that the awkwardness in the dialogue is character work, rather than a problem with the script. I mention it only as something that stood out to me versus the first time around, as as highlighting how much better the movie was written than the prequels overall.
That sequence, minutes later when all hell has broken loose, is exquisite. Many kudos to J.J. Abrams' DP for making it such a creative and exciting shot, and Boyega did sell it.
Same. I think I'm going to like it more on my second viewing in a few hours.The more I think about this film the more I like it.
Agreed. I really liked when Finn had the saber, at least we knew he was out of his leagueIt was just cheap that she was not only being able to teach herself how to use the force but that she completely dominated someone that was trained by Luke Skywalker, a guy that spent two whole movies training.
Do you think they have all this crap fully mapped out or that JJ pulled an asshole move on Rian Johnson and just dumped this mess on his lap?
Fascinating speculation... to the point where I think you're very much on to something. I certainly agree that moment between Ren and Rey could've used an "Use the Force, Luke!"-esque voiceover.I kinda wonder if cutting the whole "The Force is calling to you. Just let it in" thing being cut didn't hurt that scene on the ledge.
Like, if Maz says that, and tells Rey to take the saber, and THEN she's like "Fuck this, I'm out," when she's got her eyes closed on the ledge - I could see her HEARING Maz saying those lines again (shades of "Use the Force, Luke! Let go, Luke!) making that moment play a little more powerfully than just silently watching her power-up.
Could also explain why Driver is so confused looking - maybe he can hear it too? The outer edges of it?
I think at some point a few months ago, right around when Kasdan was talking about how they were trying to streamline this thing to hell and back, they might have started making decisions that were actually hurting the impact of the film. There are some obvious edits in the final film that soften the film emotionally.
Kasdan and Abrams have both said, I believe, that Abrams has pretty close to free reign to take the story where he wants, although they both were filling him in on where they were going with Force Awakens.
Heard that too on IGN's spoiler-cast of the film. Didn't
notice it in the film but wow, yeah that is fucking weird.
Definitely find myself agreeing with the people who said the soundtrack gets better when removed from the movie.
Still nowhere near Williams' best work, but it certainly has a few moments of sheer brilliance. The obvious standout is Rey's Theme and I could see that getting repeated and expanded upon in the next two movies.
I know Kylo got shot, but I didn't like how he didn't win vs people that had no training. It was still a good scene though.
I really wanted to see Luke take out some people.
There's a lot of things about Luke's behavior that this movie calls into question. Mindwiping a 5 year old and leaving her with a junk dealer would be a big one, yeah. Completely abandoning the entire galaxy after Kylo Ren betrays him and kills all of his students is another big one.
I think making Luke the father works better because, regardless of who is the dad, people will be interested in finding out who her mom is. And it's way more interesting to learn more about someone Luke loved than someone Obi-Wan loved, at least in a saga film.
I assume you mean Johnson has free reign, and if so, that's super sketchy. They don't have the story mapped out through episode 9?
But abandoning a child in that state?.
Just a few things before I say how good it was...
The Star Killer/ DS 3 how come when it shows its power, it is witnessed on different planets that just happen to be in the right sector/area of the Galaxy? At the same time, or what seems to be the same time. Also the same hemisphere on each planet it can be seen as well, the right section of sky. Not to take in the fact the science in which it takes light to travel, I mean we on Earth see planets, stars, systems that are trillions light years away and supposedly the light takes years to reach our retinas.
Nope, you're not. That line's clearly in there to make it explicit that Luke's not her father, but people keep missing it.
The Kenobi theory makes way more thematic sense, especially w/ her accent.
Kasdan and Abrams have both said, I believe, that Abrams has pretty close to free reign to take the story where he wants, although they both were filling him in on where they were going with Force Awakens.
I assume you mean Johnson has free reign, and if so, that's super sketchy. They don't have the story mapped out through episode 9?
Nope, you're not. That line's clearly in there to make it explicit that Luke's not her father, but people keep missing it.
The Kenobi theory makes way more thematic sense, especially w/ her accent.
I meant Johnson, you're right. I'll go edit (not that anyone will remember that page existed in 2 minutes)
The OT wasn't really mapped out either. Worked out fine.
You can set up sequels without having the sequels planned.
The back half's been chopped up pretty bad, you can feel it,I kinda wonder if the whole "The Force is calling to you. Just let it in" thing being cut didn't hurt that scene on the ledge.
Like, if Maz says that, and tells Rey to take the saber, and THEN she's like "Fuck this, I'm out," when she's got her eyes closed on the ledge - I could see her HEARING Maz saying those lines again (shades of "Use the Force, Luke! Let go, Luke!) making that moment play a little more powerfully than just silently watching her power-up.
Could also explain why Driver is so confused looking - maybe he can hear it too? The outer edges of it?
I think at some point a few months ago, right around when Kasdan was talking about how they were trying to streamline this thing to hell and back, they might have started making decisions that were actually hurting the impact of the film. There are some obvious edits that soften the film emotionally.