Supposedly they don't even fund it. They tolerate the resistance and let them do their thing, but are too bureaucratic and afraid of reigniting the war to officially support it military/financially. (if that guidebook/encyclopedia thing is real)
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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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Didn't like the "Cliff" hanger as it were. Or at least they could have filmed it a bit better than the roving shot.
brandonh83
Banned
At the Regal Pointe IMAX in Orlando and it's like opening day again. Jam packed. Had to wait in line a few hours. Crazy. Definitely excited to be able to be more observant and possibly more objective. The things we've been discussing are at the top of my list of elements to really look into.
That was my most hated thing in the film. That scene was doing well until it did that helicam...
We learn that she is a scavenger that is just getting by, barely, on a harsh planet as she waits for her family. She plays with her googles, indicating a desire to travel into space, which is later supported by how she knows so much about ship mechanisms, which she obviously studied in the meantime she was on here. I'm guessing that the dealer alien wasn't the first one who tried to steal her product before, so we can infer that she learned to fight from first hand experience. And really, that's the only relationship we see she has, a business one with some scumbag until BB8 comes along, which is something she seems to have deliberately chosen given her insistence for BB8 to GTFO of her life as soon as it's possible.
Like Luke, she is torn between her desire to go out into the world and wanting to stay for her family. The real difference is that while Luke stays because of living relations that hold him down with responsibility and love that have to die in order for him to actually move on, Rey's call of adventure doesn't have to destroy her home, because she has no attachment to the home she has. Her finally moving on isn't any kind of tragedy, it's a relief because she finally has an excuse to go out to explore. She wants to go back because of the family bit, but as it remarked afterwards, there really isn't anything there to go back to. So there is a difference regarding the levels of sentimentality, but you can't say we don't learn about Ray's life there. We do. It's just kinda shit so there's no emotional attachment to it, while Luke basically had it good until it burned down. The reason it doesn't have resonance in the same way Luke does is because Rey is a different character, and her depth is not in the love of the place she is in, but the isolation and false hope she escapes from. She doesn't have the same regard for her home as he did.
Yeah it kinda lingered for too long. Was hoping Luke would actually say something
Ben would pass out from marking out like the shameless Vader groupie he is.
Ren: ".........eeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwww"
Still stupid. About as stupid as the final shot in True Detective S2 ep1. I hate overdone shots like that. Super awkward.
Oh shit, my hometown theater. I'll probably be seeing the movie again there when I go back to FL tomorrow for the holidays.
I remember the concept of the New Order being like. What if the Nazis that fled to Argentine seized control and remilitarized? Which is a cute evocative little concept but none of that came through in the movie.
But like... why would they care about doing that? They're operating a slave/indoctrined army and have the industrial capacity to undertake the largest engineering project of all time. The Republic doesn't represent any kind of threat to them, apparently. What does the Order *want*? If it's conquest, then why'd they just murder seventeen trillion people? Wouldn't they rather incorporate those people into their empire? It's dumb because the Order apparently isn't resource constrained and the Republic doesn't oppose their horrific brainwashing schemes. So why pick a fight at all?
But like... why would they care about doing that? They're operating a slave/indoctrined army and have the industrial capacity to undertake the largest engineering project of all time. The Republic doesn't represent any kind of threat to them, apparently. What does the Order *want*? If it's conquest, then why'd they just murder seventeen trillion people? Wouldn't they rather incorporate those people into their empire? It's dumb because the Order apparently isn't resource constrained and the Republic doesn't oppose their horrific brainwashing schemes. So why pick a fight at all?
brandonh83
Banned
I thought it was neat for a last shot and very epic, seeing Rey and Luke together. The rotating shot could even be symbolic of things about to start spiraling out of control but that's conjecture on my part for now. I didn't think it was too long or out of place, a different kind of shot than we're used to.
Went to tumblr.com, typed in "Star Wars" into the search field, found this right on the front page
Poe came off as gay to me when he bit his lip at Finn when giving him the jacket. Disney knows how much of a hit Twilight was. This trilogy will be a love triangle between Finn, Poe, and Rey.
RadioactiveLobster
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Well, it isn't as bad as strapping a Go-Pro to a barrel and throwing it in a river...
For how long that scene played out, you'd think he'd say at least something. The could have cut out a lot quicker to credits and made that scene more impactful.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I thought she was in denial about her parents' fate that she stayed in Jakku.
Funny enough, I was thinking that, too after the movie is over.
I wonder what changes JJ will make????
HF2014
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Just saw it and about everything you said, im feeling the same way. I nearly felt it was a remake with new stuff added. The droid hologram, who need to get away to another planet, ( honestly felt the first movie hologram scene was better intringing ), Death Star Number 2 same story again,the bridge drama of both movies, the evil was daddy in the first one? Lets reverse that and make the son evil, I left, unsatisfied.
But still i loved the new caracters. Ray caracter was great. I loved Finn, BB8 is very cool n funny, i loved Poe, tough Issac whold have stole the spot show, but no, it was great at his role.And , seeing old caracters acting as they used too felt good to see, maybe didnt enjoy the drama Solo, but thats it, old caracter were great. And can say i love the path of we need to find Skywalker. Expect to see more of him, but hey, i love the suspence to see what way it will learn into. But for the love of god, please dont kill him in part two and make him a hologram in part 3 or i swear i will freakin instantly stand of of my seat, yell ´ fu*** o**' and get out of the theater.
On the bad side, god i couldnt stand any off the bad guys. Seeing the transformation of a wannabe into a darker caracter, Lucas gave us that with Anakin. We domt need a part two of that with Kylo Ren.Generak Hux was nothing frightful like the commander in the first movie, and seeing a giant hobbit as the supreme is pretty weak. General Phasma? Boring as hell. Im fsct, they were all boring as hell. Emperor and Darth Vader were more evil.
I cant say overall it was a bad movie. It blew away imo all three last Lucas movie. But i doesnt feel the irgent need to see it a second time, and that kinda scare me. But still en enjoyable ride, which i give a 7.5 out of 10.
Man that first line has got me in stitches.
Lord of Castamere
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He got over it quick though. Who knows, might not have been enough time. We might get chewbacca crying over a grave stone in the next movie.
Oh god. You know there'll be some shitty flashback to the Darth Maul fight when Rey touches the lightsaber, and another one to Anakin surfing on lava when Leia brings him up, complete with totally out of place Zack Hemsey trailer music.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Snoke is still better than Sheev
CountAntonius
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I was really afraid Rylo would never live up to Vader's iconic presence and fade into history as a generic Vader clone so I'm actually happy they went a different route and made him a young, confused, powerful but untrained character who will surely grow in power and presence. He will probably get his Darth name in the next movie when the First Order becomes full on Sith and Luke/Rey start up the Jedi order again.
Loved it. Yes, even the heli-cam shot. They let it linger, the music gave me chills.. you knew the movie was going to end but they let that moment -breathe- so you had a chance to really take it in; Luke Skywalker is back.
And Daisy Ridley put it in WORK with her eyes in that scene.
Don't know if this has been mentioned (not going over hundreds of pages), but why are both fleets comprised mostly of tie-fighters and x-wing fighters? After 30 years, you'd think both sides would have mostly retired those kinds of ships.
Oh, and is General Phasma the new Boba Fett? She was hyped as this badass, but she got clowned like Fett did in Return of the Jedi.
Oh, and is General Phasma the new Boba Fett? She was hyped as this badass, but she got clowned like Fett did in Return of the Jedi.
Don't look at me. I have no idea. I think the entire relationship between the New Republic and the First Order was something which has nothing to stand on at all in the film because it's not even detailed in the barest of terms, other than they both exist and one side wants to destroy the other side.
LOL
brandonh83
Banned
lol I thought of it as Poe finding a friend that went through something with him and they just connected in a hell yeah breh kinda way. Just like Rey being lonely so long and characters like Finn and Han connecting with her.
yeah, otherwise she wouldn't be tallying the days (also they're pretty clearly dead, no?)
DragonSworne
Banned
They should have had Luke repeat the same line that Poe said to Kylo in the beginning of the movie.
Epic lols.
SixMachine
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I personally would have liked Kylo Ren be a more threat to Rey, not because I want her to be put down or a Vader rehash, I just really like dire moments and villains that push the protagonists to their limit. I know Ren is basically padawan level, and I actually did like that his mind tricks were not up to par against Rey (even a non-force sensitive can actually beat the mind trick, people who used to assassinate jedi through subterfuge would have various ways to cloud or overcome the implanted suggestions), but also being on the losing end in the physical aspect of a lightsaber battle made him seem overall a weak dark apprentice. Him not pulling the lightsaber instantly and having Rey overpower it seemed weird when he is capable of stopping blaster shots and pulling a grown man into a choke hold. Now, I know someone's going to mention the bowcaster shot from Chewie, I knew when he got hit, that would play a role in the battle when I saw that. His wound plus the emotions he was feeling after killing Han were probably doing a number on his physical and force prowess, but it feels like one of those story points where a lot of caveats have to line up to make a 1v1 viable. I personally just don't like fights with too many caveats in a lot of fiction, in the end results still happen and he is holding that L.
I also like him punching his wound to basically amp himself through the pain. Even though the EU is dead, one Sith that I really liked from KOTOR 2 is Darth Sion, because Sith can attain a level to fight through pain, and Vader has that aspect to him as well being pretty much 90% cybernetic after Episode 3. If he fought through the pain and showed he had the upper hand in the fight, I would be thinking, "Damn, maybe he is good at this Sith thing." but he didn't, so we know that he doesn't have that "terminator" aspect that really strong Sith have.
I think he and Trashma are going to have to work overtime to win back their cred, which is much harder than starting out badass and dying a punk, like Boba Fett.
I also like him punching his wound to basically amp himself through the pain. Even though the EU is dead, one Sith that I really liked from KOTOR 2 is Darth Sion, because Sith can attain a level to fight through pain, and Vader has that aspect to him as well being pretty much 90% cybernetic after Episode 3. If he fought through the pain and showed he had the upper hand in the fight, I would be thinking, "Damn, maybe he is good at this Sith thing." but he didn't, so we know that he doesn't have that "terminator" aspect that really strong Sith have.
I think he and Trashma are going to have to work overtime to win back their cred, which is much harder than starting out badass and dying a punk, like Boba Fett.
They're both awful, though. At least Sheev was never called by that name in film outloud.
But SNOKE? Reminds me too much of
which is also a name I can't take seriously.
lol I sure hope Isaac, Boyega, and Ridley were all prepared for this sort of fan thing to happen.
bigwinnerx
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3rd time this afternoon. Saw it with my mom who I knew would lose it over Han. 
That scene has been the worst to sit through 3 times.
Movie is still great. Smithsonian IMAX next week.
That scene has been the worst to sit through 3 times.Movie is still great. Smithsonian IMAX next week.
Yeah, but her family is still what kept her attached to it. "I am staying so that I don't miss my family when they comeback." The reason she is staying there is family related, like Luke, but unlike Luke, it isn't a place of love, that's my point. So when she leaves, she knows she has to go back, but she's excited and happy to have seen the outside world. Her first words when she landed on a new planet were "I never thought there would be so much green" in amazement. She wants to GTFO, however much her family would force her to come back.
brandonh83
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Oh. Benjamin is gonna be the least of her problems.
eyeball_kid
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It felt like her walking up the stairs took longer than the meeting. That helicam was spinning so fast I was getting vertigo. I would've preferred they just ended with the Falcon going to light speed and saving the Luke reveal until Ep. 8. The meeting didn't have any impact for me. Maybe if Leia had made the trip instead.
Had to leave more time for awkward rotating stare off between Luke and Rey.
They're both awful, though. At least Sheev was never called by that name in film outloud.
But SNOKE? Reminds me too much of
which is also a name I can't take seriously.
Snow is a regular-ass word at least. Snoke is just someone misspelling smoke.
1) We learn about her waiting for someone after she leaves Jakku, after the call to adventure has already happened. Prior to this we interpreted those early Jakku scenes to be a desire, like Luke, to leave. We as the audience do not feel her frustration with wanting to go back because it was never setup prior that she was waiting for someone or what that past life was like. Accordingly, their is not the same level of drama and depth as Luke had.
2) You're inferring a lot of stuff that is never shown. Simply because she scavenges ship parts doesn't mean she knows how to be an ace pilot.
3) Her being able to defend herself from Jakku riff-raff does not make her a Lightsaber expert.
I can already see Luke digging through Rey's bag saying "mine" at everything he finds.why am i laughing
brandonh83
Banned
Snoke may not even be his name. Snoke and mirrors, you know? Hurrrr.
Just got out for a 2nd time. I think I like it more than the 1st. However the middle section of this film is bad, pretty much from the freighter to about the Starkiller assault.
Yea the whole Resistance thing is like not explained at all in the film and so who is the Resistance resisting? Are they resisting the Republic?
Yea the whole Resistance thing is like not explained at all in the film and so who is the Resistance resisting? Are they resisting the Republic?
MrPressStart
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Will kylo have a new helmet in episode 8? His other one was left on the catwalk.
DragonSworne
Banned
He's going to wear the messed up Vader Mask.
Ending the movie with a staring contest yay!
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