MHWilliams
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The art book apparently says they had other ship designs, but felt including them would be too confusing for audiences to follow.
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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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The art book apparently says they had other ship designs, but felt including them would be too confusing for audiences to follow.
keltickennedy
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I loved that there wasn't a spoken word in the ending. Luke's reaction said it all for me. One of my favorite moments in the entire movie. They could of cut the helicopter shot, but it didn't bother me.
brandonh83
Banned
Two viewings and still didn't read the opening crawl?
The Resistance is an extension of the Republic, a war faction to combat the First Order.
MrPressStart
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Seeing kylo rens ship in Lego or toy form didn't do much for me but it looked better in the film.
Wait, on the keyboard
S is next to A
N is one key from V
O on the alphabet is right after N
K almost looks like R
E is E
AVNRE
REVAN
HOLY SHIT
Dusktildawn48
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Is the clone wars series still canon?
LegalEagleMike
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she says to bb8 on Jakku that she is waiting for her family.
brandonh83
Banned
That doesn't spell Plageuis tho, bro can u even spell?
Inferno313
Banned
Yes, The 6 movies, Clone Wars, and everything since the Disney acquisition.
The X Wings are a little different than the classics. But barely and you'd only notice if you were looking real close. So at least they're newer models.
I researched this earlier and yes. One of if not the only thing before Disney that remained canon.
officially yes even though plenty of things contradict III
3D series, yes. 2D series, no.
I blame tentacle monsters.
Sectorseven
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Not really. I think they hinted at the Knights of Ren, and one of the resistance guys is the kid from the book.
I'm referring to seeing the movie holistically. The fact that we find out these things later doesn't diminish that, upon retrospect, we are looking at her frustration and desire to go up into space. Where I initially interpreted her messing with the helmet to just be mild curiosity, I now understand it was her imagining being out there. So, I wouldn't be able to immediately guess that her scavenging means she's a great pilot, but upon seeing how much she scavenges ships and the knowledge that she is a great pilot, I can infer she is also learning shit while scavenging as that makes sense.
I don't even know where you got 3 though. I didn't mention anything about her lightsaber expertise. I said we learn that because she's a good fighter living in a harsh and hostile territory, she probably learned fighting in general all on the job, which gives us an understanding of how she was living her life before Finn and BB8 entered the picture, which is what the post was about I thought.
Two viewings and still didn't read the opening crawl?
The Resistance is an extension of the Republic, a war faction to combat the First Order.
Then they're part of the Republic fleet.
Edit:If that's the case, why do they only have like four X-Wing squadrons?
brandonh83
Banned
Luke Skywalker has vanished.
In his absence, the sinister
FIRST ORDER has risen
from the ashes of the Empire
and will not rest until Skywalker, the last Jedi,
has been destroyed.
With the support of the REPUBLIC,
General Leia Organa leads a brave RESISTANCE.
She is desperate to find her
brother Luke and gain his
help in restoring peace and
justice to the galaxy.
Leia has sent her most daring
pilot on a secret mission
to Jakku, where an old ally
has discovered a clue to
Lukes whereabouts...
So correction on my part. The Resistance is separate but supported by the Republic.
Yes I was surprised in a positive way that they resisted the urge to go for a cheap money-shot ending with Luke saying something that made the audience go OMG!. It was nice. I think a lot of people will come around on that moment eventually.
SixMachine
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Yea, this actually is a big thing in the books and the EU in general (Non-canon but I think they bring up valid points). Specialized training is really needed for lightsabers. Many people like Mandalorians have accidentally cut off limbs or worse when fooling around with lightsabers from fallen jedi. And also that it would be ineffective for the average person compared to a blaster, since they don't have the force sensitivity for the reactions to duel or deflect blaster shots. Besides the fact there are a lot of specialized forms of lightsaber combat (it should still be canon because people like Mace Windu and Obi-Wan were masters of their respective style), Kylo Ren should at least received the basic forms of the combat to know what to do, since he did at least receive some training.
DragonSworne
Banned
Openning crawl quoted below.
The First Order wants to destory Luke Skywalker, The resistance was formed to stop them from finding Luke.
It's as simple as that.
I wonder if "First Order" is meant to be in line with the other orders, like order 66 and the rest that are known.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cont...ublic:_Order_Initiation,_Orders_1_Through_150
The First Order wants to destory Luke Skywalker, The resistance was formed to stop them from finding Luke.
It's as simple as that.
I wonder if "First Order" is meant to be in line with the other orders, like order 66 and the rest that are known.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cont...ublic:_Order_Initiation,_Orders_1_Through_150
FlowersisBritish
fleurs n'est pas britannique
I think a big problem we're having is a basic idea of competence. Going from 6 to 7 we go under the idea that things will be an increase in skill. Rather the movie was an increase in scale. Everyone is kinda shit except for Rey. Ren is kind of a jobber in most scenes and Finn's second lightsaber fight gets quite a few good hits in on him. She's not an expert swords men, Ren's just kind of bad at being a Sith. Which makes me like him more.
Honestly, talking about Rey seems to only really make me like Ren more because of how bad he is in comparison.
brandonh83
Banned
Resistance against the Order. Yeah it's usually the other way around but technically makes sense.
Ding ding ding.
Not to mention thy're woefully underfunded for being a military branch. Leia had more resources in the Rebellion.
Inferno313
Banned
Well yes because the Republic didn't form them. It says right in the above quote that the exist with the support of the Republic, not that the Republic formed them.
Yeah. Honestly, that whole opening crawl was pretty terrible and made me realize something was wrong with the movie. Like, thrusting Luke into the role of the MacGuffin and everything being about him felt weird.
I was able to see the film today. Better than the prequels, better than Jurassic World or Age of Ultron, but not mindblowing. I'd probably go with a 7.5-8/10.
I liked Rey, even if she is a Mary Sue. The Actress is cute, and little girls could use a couple more strong female characters that aren't solely love interests in Star Wars. Boyega did a good job, even if Rey got to be Han Solo and Luke Skywalker combined and he got to finish the film in a coma.
I wasn't as impressed with the OT actors. Carrie Fisher was horrible. Harrison Ford was better, but still seemed like he was there for a paycheck.
I hope that the blatant nostalgia stuff has been covered in this film though. We re-established the universe from the OT trilogy, right down to the not-Empire and their not-Death Star. I am ready for the sequels to move things into newer ground.
I liked Rey, even if she is a Mary Sue. The Actress is cute, and little girls could use a couple more strong female characters that aren't solely love interests in Star Wars. Boyega did a good job, even if Rey got to be Han Solo and Luke Skywalker combined and he got to finish the film in a coma.
I wasn't as impressed with the OT actors. Carrie Fisher was horrible. Harrison Ford was better, but still seemed like he was there for a paycheck.
I hope that the blatant nostalgia stuff has been covered in this film though. We re-established the universe from the OT trilogy, right down to the not-Empire and their not-Death Star. I am ready for the sequels to move things into newer ground.
There was an interview where they said they kept it to just those to keep the battle from being confusing to the viewer like in RotJ (or it could have been in the art book, I forget). Honestly, if that's the biggest concern you have, cool? I looooooved the movie, but there were some huge question marks of why and how things supposedly happened. Literally nothing about the starkiller base makes any sense, even in the context of the star wars universe.
HF2014
Member
why am i laughing
Thats my new Facebook cover. lol
O ho ho good sir for you see
if you dismantled P and L, you can combine them and turn them into R
A can be also pronounced as a soft E
Also GEUIS in Wookie is seen as VAN
Me 1, You 0
Even his mom!
j_k_redtail
Member
I just saw this today. Have some disorganized thoughts, but I just wanted to re-iterate this:
I want to believe that the Republic and (what's left of) the Empire are fighting some kind of proxy war in some otherwise unclaimed part of the space. The Republic is supporting the Resistance (albeit indirectly) and the Empire is supporting the First Order. That's the only way this makes sense.
I otherwise enjoyed the movie. A respectable film, far better than 1,2, and 3.
I agree that the political situation in this movie is obscure and kind of bizarre. When you first see the Death Star you're intimidated and a little impressed. When you see the Starkiller Base you're just disappointed. It's like... Luke, Leia, Han, how did you let this happen? What have you all been doing for the last thirty years?
I want to believe that the Republic and (what's left of) the Empire are fighting some kind of proxy war in some otherwise unclaimed part of the space. The Republic is supporting the Resistance (albeit indirectly) and the Empire is supporting the First Order. That's the only way this makes sense.
I otherwise enjoyed the movie. A respectable film, far better than 1,2, and 3.
Dusktildawn48
Member
Thanks guys. Started the series that's on netflix
brandonh83
Banned
Damn it.
Yeah you're right but you forgot to mention that WHO CARES
Space politics can DIAF after the prequels. I hope they never mention the words "senate", "chancellor", "trade federation", "trade embargo" or "corouscant" ever again in the star wars movies.
Resistance vs. First Order. Good. I'm on board. Killed the republic did you? Fine, that's fine. Still resistance vs. first order? Good.
Fata1moose
Banned
When Rey is drawn to Anakin's lightsaber I was thinking the children screaming were the younglings Anakin killed with it. That sword has some bad history.
Great series and George's best work on the prequel era. Enjoy it.
When Rey is drawn to Anakin's lightsaber I was thinking the children screaming were the younglings Anakin killed with it. That sword has some bad history.
Me too actually, it would've been great to see the sword tell Rey it's "story"
Lor San Tekka. He definitely seems close with Han and Leia, and knew Kylo when he was little Ben.
DragonSworne
Banned
Is the Empire still around in this movie? It seemed like it. Plus, they are probably still larger than the New Republic.
The First Order is probably literally the first Order of the Empire, much like Order 66 and the rest during the old republic era.
I don't remember the Empire declaring Orders during the original series.
The First Order is probably literally the first Order of the Empire, much like Order 66 and the rest during the old republic era.
I don't remember the Empire declaring Orders during the original series.
gigantor21
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Just got back from seeing this...it was decent, but still not seeing much reason to get excited about their revving up the franchise again if this is all they're going to do with the material. It's far too unambitious and nostalgia-heavy for my tastes, and Finn was the only cool new character.
eyeball_kid
Member
What is this book? I thought all EU books were declared non-canon by Disney.
The lack of resources to fight the First Order is so puzzling, as well as the division of territory. Does the First Order control part of the former Empire, and the Republic comprises the rest? It seems crazy that the Republic would not even keep a defense force around, or good enough spies to figure out that a giant death planet was being built.
The military constraints of Leia's forces are so bad that apparently all they have is a few X-Wings. They assault the FO base with nothing but X-Wings, even though Y-Wings would be a better choice for aerial bombardment.
tiredheadcrab
Member
Just saw it and I loved it. The new comers were great and sort of took me by surprise. I Really liked Adam Driver. When he throws a fit and starts slashing up rooms was good. But damn he can act circles around Hayden. I did get chocked up during the Han/Kylo scene. Going to miss that character greatly. Daisy and John were both great. I cant wait to see their character arcs in the next 2.
Dusktildawn48
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Didn't know George did this
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