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[Ray Down]

Whats embarrassing about that thread was that it was from 2012.

And after the disastrous E3 Nintendo had that year.

 

[Jabba]

I'm sitting at £350 as my upper limit. I don't think it will be sub 300.

Sales are astounding to say the least. To the more recent post about Sony firing on all cylinders and being more of a global brand and not winning by "luck", I agree.

I think PSVR will be $349 and of course adjusted for each region/country to be about the same.
As for my personal limit? Honestly, the original price of the PS4 at launch is my limit, $399

But, this is based only on what I know at this point in time, if I can't get in initially.

Although I dislike cell phones, I'm seriously thinking of getting a Samsung phone for Gear Vr.

 

[AstroNut325]

Yeah, have fun finding even one who predicted a clear PS4 win.

This needs to be in every PS4 sales OP.

 

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Yeah, have fun finding even one who predicted a clear PS4 win.

Some of the logic spewing out of that thread, it wasn't just people predicting a PS4 failure but people wanting to see it fail. Its almost like some kind of bizarre fan fiction posted by people who were/are a little too emotionally invested in their platform.

 

[illmatic22]

Some of the logic spewing out of that thread, it wasn't just people predicting a PS4 failure but people wanting to see it fail. Its almost like some kind of bizarre fan fiction posted by people who were/are a little too emotionally invested in their platform.

Yup.

 

[nycgamer4ever]

Microsoft was never truly successful in other countries regardless, which is probably why they don't even bother anymore. Anybody remember those exclusive JRPGs for Xbox 360 that got quickly forgotten?

This is the loser's way of thinking. If they were never successful in other countries then they stand to gain the most by doing more to covet consumers in those countries. They have no where to go but up. They already have the interest in NA.

Each Forza since 5 has sold at the very least a million copies and I'm not sure if that's even including the Xbox 360 versions of 5 and Horizon 2. And honestly they don't really need a break because both series offer completely different expereinces. Forza Motorsport is strictly a racing simulator and Forza 6 it doing over a million since its release is pretty damn good. Forza Horizon 2 is an open world racing gaming that's a lot less realistic than the main series. It's a much of a difference between 2D Mario and 3D Mario. Both are platformers but they offer different styles of play.

edit: I maybe a little biased towards the Forza series since Horizon got me hooked, I'm loving the hell out of Forza Horizon 2 and I plan on getting Forza 6 soon. I kinda wish they get a third studio going so the development cycles of Horizon and the main series go even longer and have another new racing experience.

Funny how you think at least 1 million in sale is good for an established racing brand. but it's Knack and Killzone is relegated to the forgotten zone. Incidentally Knack sold almost 1.5M and Killzone over 2M.

 

[xxracerxx]

Yeah, have fun finding even one who predicted a clear PS4 win.

SonyGAF rose from the ashes!!

 

[clevbrowns94]

Gaming consoles are dead.

Well no, but things aren't going so well for Microsoft and Nintendo. I mean, the One's sales aren't nearly as bad as the Wii U, but they aren't great either. Certainly, there will be less consoles sold this generation than last. That's certain.

 

[Cess007]

PS3 was out selling 360 yearly since it came out WW.
That thread is another case of USA = the world for some people .

Sony was selling more PS3 at the time around 2012 than Microsoft did it with the Xbox 360. Launch alligned was Sony ahead of Microsoft for a long time there.

People just like to think that the US market is the world and extrapolated it over the world (...)

Reminds me of those people who still says/think that the gap between the XBO and the PS4 can be closed just as it happened last gen without knowing WHY that actually happened.

Some of the logic spewing out of that thread, it wasn't just people predicting a PS4 failure but people wanting to see it fail. Its almost like some kind of bizarre fan fiction posted by people who were/are a little too emotionally invested in their platform.

This exchange is my favorite. Good old Derrick

Sony will be 2nd or maybe even 1st if Nintendo ends up messing up.

Dream big

which part is a dream?

Sony even being alive 6 years from now, let alone 1st or 2nd.

 

[Mr Swine]

Well no, but things aren't going so well for Microsoft and Nintendo. I mean, the One's sales aren't nearly as bad as the Wii U, but they aren't great either. Certainly, there will be less consoles sold this generation than last. That's certain.

Isn't boner at least 20 million worldwide right now or is it closer to 15 million? At least it's going good for MS, wish it was the same for Nintendo

 

[Freeman]

I made this prediction 2 years ago, I am pretty spot on thus far.

PS4
FY13 7.5
FY14 14.8
FY15 16
FY16 18
FY17 19
FY18 18
FY19 17
FY20 9
FY21 4
123.3

I think you are been too conservative. It will sell past 100m even if the PS5 released in 2019. Just wait till the likes of Uncharted 4, GTA6, GoW4, TLoU2, GT, RDR2, FFXV, etc start hitting the market.

2016 will likely see a much bigger increase with all the games that are coming out. VR (and maybe the NX ) will play a big part in how well PS4 sells.

edit: 2 years ago? congrats!

 

[Pathfinder]

Well no, but things aren't going so well for Microsoft and Nintendo. I mean, the One's sales aren't nearly as bad as the Wii U, but they aren't great either. Certainly, there will be less consoles sold this generation than last. That's certain.

Microsoft's still making plenty of money with their console and services. They'll be fine.

 

[Mahonay]

Isn't boner at least 20 million worldwide right now or is it closer to 15 million? At least it's going good for MS, wish it was the same for Nintendo

It's around 17.5 million from the estimates I've seen.

 

[clevbrowns94]

Yeah, have fun finding even one who predicted a clear PS4 win.

Funny thread. I don't think it was bad to predict Wii U success. It was shocking how much it has failed from a sales point of view, and I don't think anyone thought it would be this bad. That said, the people predicting Sony to go third party or out of business were being ridiculous. In reality, the PS3 was an outlier as the one Sony console that didn't win its generation, and the Wii was an outlier as the one Nintendo console that did (at least in a while, like since the SNES).

 

[Ray Down]

Isn't boner at least 20 million worldwide right now or is it closer to 15 million? At least it's going good for MS, wish it was the same for Nintendo

I could have sworn the its around or north of 18 million I'm sure Welfare will come in at some point

Nintendo is just facing the problem its been since like the N64 with losing market share, hopefully the NX is interesting enough to stir that ship at least for a generation.

 

[Jabba]

Well no, but things aren't going so well for Microsoft and Nintendo. I mean, the One's sales aren't nearly as bad as the Wii U, but they aren't great either. Certainly, there will be less consoles sold this generation than last. That's certain.

Iirc, X1 is tracking higher than 360 at this point in it's lifetime. Sure it's not 35.9 mill but X1 is still doing damn well so far.

 

[Papacheeks]

Funny thread. I don't think it was bad to predict Wii U success. It was shocking how much it has failed from a sales point of view, and I don't think anyone thought it would be this bad. That said, the people predicting Sony to go third party or out of business were being ridiculous. In reality, the PS3 was an outlier as the one Sony console that didn't win its generation, and the Wii was an outlier as the one Nintendo console that did (at least in a while, like since the SNES).

I remember seeing the reveal of Wii U and thinking this was not going to sell well.

 

[Mahonay]

Yeah, have fun finding even one who predicted a clear PS4 win.

I gotta dig through that and see if I posted a prediction.

 

[nycgamer4ever]

lmao. The king of terrible marketing.



Yeah, not at all. Hell, there's still parts of the US where their only source of internet is dial-up.



Trust me I'm not saying that Xbox One would have beaten the PS4 into the dust I'm saying that if Microsoft had not stumbled out the gate the market share would be very different. Xbox 360 just barely reach a few more consoles sold than PS3, so the core demographic was there from the start, poor marketing messed that all up for Microsoft. I also said it was the biggest but not the only factor to why Sony is leading the console sells. They made great decisions on price, features like PSN+, and exclusive deals like Street Fighter V which all benefit Sony's position but Sony has essentially been following the same strategy for years. They offered a cut-throat mentality for the Playstation and Playstation 2 era with affordable pricing, strong third party connections and being about hard core games from the get go. Both Nintendo and Microsoft had followed that same mentality before and at various points of video game history that worked out very well for them. Sony's overall strategy isn't anything new, it's something tired, true and proven to work but when compared to strategies that failed, it just becomes more successful.

Remember that the ps3 launched a year (and in some countries 1.5 years) after the 360 and at a very high launch price, was hard to code for and had a lot of negative press.

Some how it clawed its way back in to the fight and that is a testament the brand name, WW presence and continued support until the very end. heck they are still releasing games for the ps3 now. The years leading up to the launch of ps4 and xbox 1 the Sony kept dropping first party games (the last of us drop real late in the cycle) and 360 waned. I know many friends who went back to PS nation just because of that. I had plenty of friends who were forced to buy 360 to play games cause Ps3 took so long to launch.

While i agree if MS didn't drop the ball at launch this would be a little different but I still think PS4 would be in the lead by a decent margin.

 

[Jigorath]

At this rate, If the PS5 comes out in 2019, PS4 should be around 90m by then. Selling an extra 10m+ after the PS5 comes out doesn't seem impossible unless Sony just stops pushing it completely. I think it can get over 100m in it's lifetime and beat the Wii/PS1 records.

 

[cakely]

Yeah, have fun finding even one who predicted a clear PS4 win.

Oh, man, that thread.

The PS4 will do worse than the VITA, they have lost to much brand recognition, exclusives and they have IPs noone gives a shit about besides nerds on the internet. Coupled with no backwards compatibility (due to the abandonment of the Cell), Sony is destined for last place again. Failing all that, the PS4 will be $499-$549 and we will get a repeat of the PS3 but this time it will be much worse.

Quote me in 2 or 3 years. I know when something is about to bomb. Sony is very easy to read, even Patcher can do it.

It's been three years and some change, so a quote is appropriate.

 

[Deputy Moonman]

Some of the logic spewing out of that thread, it wasn't just people predicting a PS4 failure but people wanting to see it fail. Its almost like some kind of bizarre fan fiction posted by people who were/are a little too emotionally invested in their platform.

I dunno. The reverse seems to be equally prevalent. The shear amount of drive-by fapping in all of the xbox one threads is sad. People try to play the objective card, but their overflowing joy that MS is getting beat so handily by the PS4 is glaringly obvious. "I'm just here for the discussion." Meanwhile, fap fap fap fap fap fap. It is what is
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[onQ123]

Yeah, have fun finding even one who predicted a clear PS4 win.

Then Cerny happened!

 

[slavesnyder]

Yeah, have fun finding even one who predicted a clear PS4 win.

Ah, good old days. Followed this thread as a not-yet-member. It was hell not having the right to post in there.
I am sure I would have written similar nonsense then.
Also, friend of mine, suit in the industry, said back then that XboxOne will wipe the floor with the PS4 because it will be more powerful, have better online and architecture and will simply buy all important exclusives and marketing partnerships.

 

[sense]

I dunno. The reverse seems to be equally prevalent. The shear amount of drive-by fapping in all of the xbox one threads is sad. People try to play the objective card, but their overflowing joy that MS is getting beat so handily by the PS4 is glaringly obvious. "I'm just here for the discussion." Meanwhile, fap fap fap fap fap fap. It is what is
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Well if you were going to screw over gamers with your initial vision then I can see why people are overjoyed at seeing Sony beat ms

 

[Omnistalgic]

I listed Until Dawn as an outlier, as one of the few exclusive games currently out that potentially push console sales. Rocket League & Transistor can be found on Steam and other platforms. These are not the titles that are making people run out and buy a PS4 right away. Every console out now has their share of smaller scale games so that's not a special point that Sony has going for it, when all of the big three has these type games. I'm super excited for Cuphead but it's definitely not the reason I had got an Xbox One. It's more of icing on the cake as would these smaller titles for bigger, console selling titles.

PT was from the creative force of two highly influential people in their respective industries. Putting Hideo Kojima and Guillermo del Toro names towards a project would turn anybodies head in today's time as did associating Shigeru Miyamoto & Yuji Naka to a project in the 90s. Also if Silent Hills wasn't canceled it would have a game on massive scale.

That's a flawed way of looking at things IMO. And it seems like you are just showing your preference for MS exclusives. You mention Sunset Overdrive as a standout title for X1, still being talked about among fans, but not Infamous, which had similar critical reception, likely sold more, and had a standalone DLC release. MLB baseball is another group of people PS4 exclusively talks to. You are just cherry picking man.Even Killzone pushed console sales because at launch, it was a nice graphical showpiece, it doesn't matter how small that group was, all software that sells, has some sort of appeal to someone.

PS4 has the most of these smaller games to play btw, If we're bring up B/C there's options there to play a bunch of stuff on PSnow and PS2 classics are going to get regularly updated, but lets ignore those, because b/c is simply not a factor for what I would say is the majority of console owners. There are simply more games on PS4 period. It's the library itself that's attractive, not individual games. Indy support and Japanese support are both stronger on PS4, and the trend is not as even as you claim when you keep saying "all of these platforms have their share of smaller games". Yeah, but PS4's is bigger, a seemingly a trend that looks to continue?

 

[Ricker]

Very nice,on top of all the usual console games,the sales are the reason the PS4 is also getting games like Divinity and Sword Coast Legends soon,that where usually only PC games,which is great for everyone.

 

[nycgamer4ever]

A lot of that is that MS has no Idea what they're doing outside the NA region. They're used to being big and important enough that partners in other regions will do business on their terms. In Gaming they face actual competition and their size and scope elsewhere doesn't play as much a factor.

I agree with this. But we should still give credit to Sony for maintaining solid relationship WW and competing in this space. That is all I am saying.

 

[Ryng_tolu]

Iirc, X1 is tracking higher than 360 at this point in it's lifetime. Sure it's not 35.9 mill but X1 is still doing damn well so far.

To be fair, 360 firsts years were not good. That said, i think XB1 is going great.

 

[AgentP]

Yeah, have fun finding even one who predicted a clear PS4 win.

This is funny...

Quote me in 2 or 3 years. I know when something is about to bomb. Sony is very easy to read, even Patcher can do it.

Gez said Sony is doomed because of no BC.

 

[Mario007]

Ah, good old days. Followed this thread as a not-yet-member. It was hell not having the right to post in there.
I am sure I would have written similar nonsense then.
Also, friend of mine, suit in the industry, said back then that XboxOne will wipe the floor with the PS4 because it will be more powerful, have better online and architecture and will simply buy all important exclusives and marketing partnerships.

It also shows that this board is predominantly American in its composition. Thus the feeling of most posters was Sony was getting beaten last gen, when in reality since ps3 launched it beat 360 every year. Just not in the US.

 

[Raist]

Oh, man, that thread.





It's been three years and some change, so a quote is appropriate.

I think the best posts in there are the ones predicting that Sony (note: as a whole, not just SCE) would go bankrupt.

 

[GnawtyDog]

Late.

That's a lot of PS4's. Congrats to Sony.

 

[Disaster Nebraska]

These sales are crazy.

In my opinion, PS4 will strike gold twice with PS VR. It won't be as cheap as Samsung Gear and whatnot, but it will be both the cheapest and easiest-to-setup "fully fledged" VR headset on the market for a while.

It's also interesting how Sony seems to be pushing another format war right under our noses. You can bet they are praying for a breakout success for PS VR. Sure, when they make public statements about its success they'll try to be humble and all that, but this would give them a huge head start in an upcoming media format. They can't afford to let the opportunity slide on by:

PS1 - CD
PS2 - DVD
PS3 - Blu Ray
PS4 - VR

 

[formasymphonic]

| NG | NG+ NG++ |
| NG+++, NG++++ | NG+++++, NG++++++ |

Didn't see anything in the press release, does anyone know anything about attach rates?

 

[Acquiescence]

Yeah, have fun finding even one who predicted a clear PS4 win.

I can't help but see the funny side in that thread getting locked because it kept being bumped over and over. Every time the PS4 got updated sales numbers it would get bumped.

 

[Shahed]

Square Enix, you've made a rather large financial error, but you can make it up with Dissida FF which will be a lifetime exclusive apparently... And giving us Rise of the Tomb Raider with a discount.

This is just silly. Square made a game temporarily exclusive to one platform. So in order to make owners of the other platform feel better they give them a lifetime exclusive. Why does it need to be exclusive? For list wars and fanboy ego? That's just pathetic.

The game will likely be exclusive anyway, but not due to any of that nonsense. Sony supposedly helped out financially and with the arcade boards based off PS4's. Also it probably wouldn't appear on Xbox for the same reason Nier 2 and Star Ocean 5 won't. Audience mismatch.

 

[Inuhanyou]

So....am i correct to say that even at the end of this year, people will be wondering where the games are?

 

[slavesnyder]

It also shows that this board is predominantly American in its composition. Thus the feeling of most posters was Sony was getting beaten last gen, when in reality since ps3 launched it beat 360 every year. Just not in the US.

This feeling was all around in the industry, not just US.
People were extrapolating.
PS2 > xbox
PS3 = 360
So logical conclusion
PS4 < xboxOne

Plus the narrative of broke sony, lost magic, clueless, MS deep pockets, best buddies with EA, Rockstar and so on. It really did not look good.

Then I watched the xbox reveal, already prepared mentally that the console would be so great I just would have no choice but to love it...

 

[Neuromancer]

I dunno. The reverse seems to be equally prevalent. The shear amount of drive-by fapping in all of the xbox one threads is sad. People try to play the objective card, but their overflowing joy that MS is getting beat so handily by the PS4 is glaringly obvious. "I'm just here for the discussion." Meanwhile, fap fap fap fap fap fap. It is what is
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So basically you're upset that people are enjoying themselves in sales discussions. I get it. It's tough when people are mean about things you like on the Internet. Just remember you can always duck out when it gets to be too much for you.

 

[Heimbeck]

Your supposition hinges on the idea that said 'big audience' would be buying those games but if they won't, we've seen plenty of examples of Publishers skipping the Xbone entirely...from Square-Enix and Namco-Bandai to Kalypso Media and Devolver Digital.

First of all why is big audience in quotes?
How is nearly 20 million people not a lot of people?
Secondly people are buying games on Xbox, maybe not certain types of games which would be why some games don't make it on there, and maybe for some dumb policies MS have but not because there's no-one buying stuff on Xbox.

 

[Toki767]

So....am i correct to say that even at the end of this year, people will be wondering where the games are?

In 2017, people will still be wondering how the PS4 is selling so well with no games.

When the PS4 surpasses 100 million sold, people will still be wondering how it did it with no games.

 

[BigDug13]

SonyGAF rose from the ashes!!

Microsoft disappointed with their reveal and weaker power and initial DRM. Pushed a lot of 360 fanboys to the other side this gen. I was one of them.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

This needs to be in every PS4 sales OP.

My post in that thread was reasonable for the time.

360 was still posting large numbers in the USA during that time, before the reveals of either One or PS4. Before the XboxOne80 event. WiiU seemed like a product that screamed "general confusion", and Sony wasn't in the prettiest of position. PS3 hadn't really caught on anywhere but Europe, they were posting lacking numbers in the USA, and Japan was beginning its transition to an entirely different gaming market, which meant Sony couldn't rely on that as a buffer.

Without the mistakes of MS and Nintendo, Sony probably wouldn't be in the position they are. Fortunately they did, and I got a shiny PS4 out of the deal.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

I think all of my friends now own a PS4. Even the ones I didn't expect to buy bought one this Christmas.

 

[Disaster Nebraska]

First of all why is big audience in quotes?
How is nearly 20 million people not a lot of people?
Secondly people are buying games on Xbox, maybe not certain types of games which would be why some games don't make it on there, and maybe for some dumb policies MS have but not because there's no-one buying stuff on Xbox.

Maybe the potential (but objectively smaller) sales gained by putting something on Xbox One is not enough to offset the cost and manpower to do so.

There are reasons beyond "how many consoles have sold?" that play a role when devs are deciding where to release their games.

Without the mistakes of MS and Nintendo, Sony probably wouldn't be in the position they are. Fortunately they did, and I got a shiny PS4 out of the deal.

LOL this old song and dance? Fact is, Sony IS in the position they are now because, you know, reality. Not a single console releases in a vacuum. Seems unusually picky to qualify the PS4's success based on the choices of the other platforms. That's how it goes every single time for every single console ever.

 

[joecanada]

Yes, but that thread is from 2012!!!

ya actually most of the people in that thread look pretty foolish, Sony was never in big trouble in the console business anyway, they were always killing it WW and hanging in there in USA. by 2012 they had a solid library and good business model set up.

NX could be lightning in a bottle but it would be as shocking as the Wii itself, which basically means they need a big tech/gimmick/selling feature , not just cruising along on their normal business model which has not seemed to work since like SNES days?

In 2017, people will still be wondering how the PS4 is selling so well with no games.

When the PS4 surpasses 100 million sold, people will still be wondering how it did it with no games.

ah yes, waiting for the inevitable "worst console library in history - ps4" thread in 2020....

 

[Inuhanyou]

Without the mistakes of MS and Nintendo, Sony probably wouldn't be in the position they are. Fortunately they did, and I got a shiny PS4 out of the deal.

The rest of the world would not have picked up Nintendo or MS consoles because of 'not making mistakes'(whatever nebulous definition that is).

Sony leans to the side of dominating the gen whenever they are in one by default. It takes something big for them to not win or come out respectable. That's just the reality of being the most global company gaming wise.

In 2017, people will still be wondering how the PS4 is selling so well with no games.

When the PS4 surpasses 100 million sold, people will still be wondering how it did it with no games.

:/ Hopefully Japan's comeback gives people some mental rethought to different types of titles as well as the world outside of the western hemisphere. I think the Western media in general really hooked onto the MS narrative of destroying everyone because of ignoring what everyone else was doing

 

[IndoAssassin]

Wasn't there a statement by AMD that console sales have reached 54 Million?

 

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I dunno. The reverse seems to be equally prevalent. The shear amount of drive-by fapping in all of the xbox one threads is sad. People try to play the objective card, but their overflowing joy that MS is getting beat so handily by the PS4 is glaringly obvious. "I'm just here for the discussion." Meanwhile, fap fap fap fap fap fap. It is what is
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You're honestly comparing the occassional drive by shit post to a forum wide circle jerk of a company leaving the console business or is this just another case ofyou living up to your tag?