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Kristi Leskinen " No gamer in the world deserves an X-games Gold Medal"
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AudioEppa
Member
She has a right to her opinion, but at the end of the day all the negative opinions surrounding eSports don't matter, and the more it becomes involved with other sporting events the better for it until they have their own.
But it Is a sport, to myself and enough others who view it as one and it's completely fine if people hate it, but that's something there are going to have to get over (or not) but regardless whether you call it eSports or competitive gaming it's not going away and it's only going to grow as time goes on.
But it Is a sport, to myself and enough others who view it as one and it's completely fine if people hate it, but that's something there are going to have to get over (or not) but regardless whether you call it eSports or competitive gaming it's not going away and it's only going to grow as time goes on.
Sorry about missing that.
I don't know specifics, if we are talking just motor skills it's certainly possible since you use your whole body vs mostly just the hands.
Pristine_Condition
Member
And so many of the tweets from the "gaming community" are amazingly cringeworthy, as predicted...
Gold Metal.
Gold Metal.
CaptainGyro
Banned
Ok.
Using common sense, if somebody can't use a controller properly with just using their hands, then what makes you think that the same person is just going to have an easier time using a golf club and hitting a ball and aiming it, when it requires more muscles and body control? Can you explain that logic to me? ( i know you did't actually say that, but it seems like you thought maybe it was a reasonable possibility) And you are just using some extreme examples and outliers, anyway, it doesn't typically require somebody "forever" to learn how to use them. Sure, you might find a few people who flatout suck at using controllers, but those people are the exception. Honestly, if anybody is going to argue that grasping the basic concepts and use of a controller is a difficult as using a golf club, then I am going to say that that person just plain sucks at playing videogames. Now somebody might say " oh yeah well maybe you just suck at playing golf!" and they might think it's a great reply, but that doesn't work either.. I have already posted a link with a teacher suggesting practicing for 36 hours before even starting, and that it is a general idea of how long it takes for a noob to even getting comfortable with playing golf. Is this type of lengthy prep usually advisaed for people just starting out games? No, because it's not necessary. A five minute tutorial in-game is generally considered adequate to play the games and get used to the controls, first time player and all. Videogames and it's controllers are designed to be accessible and playable within minutes. Golf isn't, and sorry but only a clueless person about golf will say that it's as easy to pick up and begin playing as a videogame controller.
Seriosuly what are you people doing with your hands that you think generally using a controller for the first time is as complicated and difficult as the motor control for even a rudimentary golf swing? To act like that they have the same learning curve is downright asinine.
tattooed_dwarf
Member
First of all, calm down. Secondly, as I said, I'm not saying that learning Halo is harder or even as hard as learning golf. Me using word "forever' is same as you saying one can play Halo easily in minutes, that's just not true. You just start your whole rant with assumption that you are right and dismissed point of total beginner who has no knowledge of how controllers work. As long as you claim it's matter of minutes to learn Halo vs matter of days to hit the ball in golf, there isn't nothing I can say to make you understand my point.
Teletraan1
Banned
This is X-Games taking money from MS to shoehorn this into their event. Every sports/esports tie in has come off like oil and water. Nobody should be this clueless going forward with trying to match demographics that only serve to undermine the event.
I never said that her displeasure shouldn't be aimed at the organizers of the X-Games for marginalizing what these athletes do by giving the same accolades to a bunch of couch jockeys. She was making a general statement that could be aimed at a number of people/organizations and in my opinion is an absolutely valid one.
This seems pretty cut and dry to me...Videogames don't belong at X-games any more than Basketball should be part of a major gaming event, but the way she's saying it is more about saying that videogames aren't a real sport of any kind, which is degrading and pedantic. So...half right? Either way it doesn't really matter, different events, different categories, they can be very different. I mean, Curling is quite different from Bobsledding but they're both olympic sports, so in the end why be so mad about it.
Oddvintagechap
Member
Lmao video gamers are funny creatures. Think mashing buttons deserve to be at X Games. Let's have Chess players, Uno players, Gwent players too then. It's a different category. Stop trying to put hobby into other events that have nothing to do with them.
X Games should just make E Games. Problem solved.
X Games should just make E Games. Problem solved.
Switch Back 9
a lot of my threads involve me fucking up somehow. Perhaps I'm a moron?
The X-Games are about sports that can break you, physically. I love videogames (obviously) and I love sports like snowboarding and skateboarding. They in no way belong in the same competition. This is so strange.
This really irritates me.
And so many of the tweets from the "gaming community" are amazingly cringeworthy, as predicted...
Gold Metal.
This really irritates me.
tattooed_dwarf
Member
They should have these competitions side by side, not lumped together, if they feel this would expand their demographic.
Or make it new franchise, called "cool youths hobbies competitions".
Or make it new franchise, called "cool youths hobbies competitions".
Well too bad Leskinen EG deserves the hell out of those golden license plates, though I do love that Snip3down replied to her with this LOL
Lol, nice. That was a damn fun tournament to watch.
CaptainGyro
Banned
First of all ...I am calm enough, though I do try to convey that I find the idea of people being ignorant or not even bothering to actually read what I wrote or follow the conversation or just saying "you're wrong" without anything to back it up to be somewhat annoying. Not gonna apologize for that. Secondly, I said one can learn how to play Halo
"comfortably" or "fine enough" within minutes and .. that is true. If it isn't, how long does it take then? I've said several times that doesn't mean they are some pro player right away it means they have a solid grasp of the fundamentals enought to enjoy themselves while playing. Golf takes longer, as illustraed by the link suggesting practicing for a long time before even beginning a game.
VibratingDonkey
Member
It is pretty weird to incorporate games into actual athletic, physical sports tournaments and competitions. It is a different ball game.
Call it E-Games, or V-Games. And give them different medals.
Give everyone different medals.
Call it E-Games, or V-Games. And give them different medals.
Give everyone different medals.
There is nothing extreme about playing video games so I agree it shouldn't be there.
However the way the tweet is worded it sound like no gamer should be allowed to win. Gamers are just people who play video games, they can be good at other things too like snowboarding for example.
However the way the tweet is worded it sound like no gamer should be allowed to win. Gamers are just people who play video games, they can be good at other things too like snowboarding for example.
And so many of the tweets from the "gaming community" are amazingly cringeworthy, as predicted...
Gold Metal.
Well, he didn't say he'd land it. May just land on his head.
Or already has previously judging by that tweet.
Led_Zeppelin
Member
The thumbs of the participants suffer EXTREME damage during tournaments!
It's weird to think on a video game forum how quick some of you are to put down other gamers and the concept of esports. Do you not want people to have success doing something they love? Do you not want to see gaming competitions more recognized as a sport? It doesn't matter what the X-Games stands for or is about, it's still fucking amazing and cool as shit that people went and played Halo on live TV at a professional level.
Eh, she isn't wrong. Extreme sports aren't just sports that were shunned, they're also sports that are dangerous and death-defying. Video games are not even close to the general X-Games purview, and she is in her right to be unhappy with the situation.
Frankly, in my opinion, gamers aren't athletes, and that's not a mark against them anyway. Not every talent is athletic, and a skilled gamer not being considered an athlete shouldn't really bother them, in the same way it doesn't bother a skilled musician or artist.
Frankly, in my opinion, gamers aren't athletes, and that's not a mark against them anyway. Not every talent is athletic, and a skilled gamer not being considered an athlete shouldn't really bother them, in the same way it doesn't bother a skilled musician or artist.
80s Bad Guy
Banned
I think there's nothing wrong with having a gaming tournament there, but yeah, they probably shouldn't get medals.
At the same time, so what? If the events aren't popular they'll go away. If they are, maybe they can be a separate thing.
At the same time, so what? If the events aren't popular they'll go away. If they are, maybe they can be a separate thing.
VibratingDonkey
Member
This was my line of thinking when imagining chess analogies.
"You wouldn't put a chess game in a hockey rink, that would be....beautiful and dumb."
I think chessXbobsled could be pretty good.
She's right, not that "No gamer in the world deserves an X-games Gold Medal" as she'd already be wrong in that as I'm sure there are gold medallists who play computer games. However, no E-sports shouldn't be wrapped into the X-Games in terms of the same medals - by all means have them at the same event, but they shouldn't be getting the same medals people are getting for risking their lives tbh.
I understand (not massively) how hard it must be to train and get to the top of the E-sports rankings etc, but that is just not in the same league as a pro snowboarder/skateboarder etc.
I understand (not massively) how hard it must be to train and get to the top of the E-sports rankings etc, but that is just not in the same league as a pro snowboarder/skateboarder etc.
Nostremitus
Member
This, exactly this. E-sports players are not the same as actual athletes.
Ryouji Gunblade
Member
If training or practicing the sport isn't life-threatening, it isn't a real sport. Like table tennis.
/s
I don't think there's table tennis at the X-Games.
mobilesworking
Member
ouchgames
I'll give you a tenner if you find where I said "If training or practicing the sport isn't life-threatening, it isn't a real sport" or anything of the sort.
I will learn to accept E-sports in the sporting universe, that's fine whatever. But extreme sports they are not, something tells me you can't break a leg or sever your spinal column during an average E-sports training session
Subpar Spatula
Banned
I still don't get how any smart individual finds Halo 5 to be an extreme sport.
Nostremitus
Member
To be fair, I think table tennis falls into the same category of "skill based games that are not sports" as golf, poker, billiards, chess, dominos,and competitive videogames.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Don't forget bowling. Sucking down pitchers of beer and not slipping on your ass with those silly shoes takes some sort of coordination.
Because they saw a return on the investment. Just as ESPN broadcasting people playing poker.
Tallshortman
Member
Sure, I don't know why they jammed it in there.
UpDownLeftRight
Banned
I have no real opinion on the whole matter of who got an award or whatever, it's all completely meaningless to me. But I just want to point out how you've completely oversimplified the idea of picking up a game and playing. Me and you can, because we're used to the way they play. Take a non gamer and hand them a controller in an FPS and watch as they smash into all the walls over and over. To actually reach a point of being able to do basically anything takes a long ass time.
Practicing golf on a level where you're looking to compete will take lots of time, but so will anything where you're looking to actually compete with others. If we simplify it yes a person can pick a controller for the first time them running into a wall is taking part, as in the same sense a swing and a miss would be in golf.
Earthpainting
Member
I guess I see her point. I do find it a bit strange that video games have a presence there. I'd say they should probably be their own thing, whether you qualify it as a sport of not. There are enough different competitive scenes in video games to have their own, more focussed thing.
I do hope there's chocolate inside those X-Games medals btw. Geeez.
I do hope there's chocolate inside those X-Games medals btw. Geeez.
PeskyToaster
Member
Can't get passed how horrible those medals look
Cynn
Member
Bingo. But logic and past example won't do well in this thread. ESport adoption is inevitable no matter how many yell at the clouds.
Haunted
Member
Wait, isn't a post like this just male/macho posturing putting value on strength and power over precision and technique?
Whoever came up with the licence plate motif to replace actual medals... smh.
Haunted
Member
esports are their own thing with a label that often gets them thrown in with a crowd that's less than receptive to them. Like motorsports. But motorsports already have a history, monetary investment and cultural significance so they don't have to ride the coattails of other, more successful events in order to improve mainstream appeal and cultural legitimacy.
This will happen with esports, it just takes time.
Though to someone else's point earlier, I do imagine the demographics between the xgames audience and esports audience are fairly similar, which would explain why Red Bull is such a big deal sponsor in both disciplines and why Microsoft felt this was a good opportunity to market Halo 5.
This will happen with esports, it just takes time.
Though to someone else's point earlier, I do imagine the demographics between the xgames audience and esports audience are fairly similar, which would explain why Red Bull is such a big deal sponsor in both disciplines and why Microsoft felt this was a good opportunity to market Halo 5.