NobleGundam
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Yes but not "X" -treme enough in her opinion haha
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Kristi Leskinen " No gamer in the world deserves an X-games Gold Medal"
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Bobby Boulders
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I agree, I think esports getting bigger and better and more mainstream is great but X-games isn't the place for it....
like at all.
like at all.
Petrae
Member
...except money and potential sponsorships. Not that those count or anything.
Mr Fahrenheit
Member
I think it's pretty fair to say the Halo isn't an extreme sport and doesn't have much place at something like the X-games.
Yep. I mean in away I agree with her stance.
Change the name of the medal or something, but as part of the Xtreme Games along people that end with bruises and even at the hospital.
As she said in her other tweets, same way there are Oscars, Grammys, Stanley Cups; call it the Golden Controller or something...sponsored by them.
But in the end is all about media and money.
Tallshortman
Member
This doesn't really address what I was really asking unless you're just trying to be snarky. I'm sure they'd see possible return on investment if they threw it in the middle of several other random broadcasts as well, doesn't really mesh with x-games brand.
CaptainGyro
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Eh the only thing I admit I have oversimplified is the part about needing a five minute tutorial for a newbie player to pick up and start playing a game for the first time ever. Realistically, they are going to need more than that. But it's not going to take hours or " a long ass time" to "basically do anything" in the game. If I am oversimplifying, then you are exaggerating. I don't think it's unrealistic to say that a total game noob can pick up and play Halo and begin killing enemies on occasion within their first hour of playing. Compare it to golf and it's really not the same at all when it comes to rudimentary levels of success.
About being able to use controllers today because I have been playing them for a long time, I don't really agree with that either. I've always considered them to be pretty easy to pick up and play within a few minutes, whether it was using a joystick for games like Pacman or atari, twin joysticks with Robottron, or a completely new type of 3d game and controller like Mario 64. Todays controllers aren't that drastically different that suddenly it's going to take a newb a significantly longer time to get used to them compared to the time it took for me to get used to my first experiences
I associate X-Games with alternative sports that were once marginalized and other-ed by a society obsessed with mainstream sports at the detriment of any kind of competition that wasn't baseball, football, basketball, hockey, soccer, etc. The X-Games have typically been focused on extreme sports, yes, but its roots are and always will be a counter-cultural response to people scoffing at BMX and skateboarding as if they weren't worthy of being treated seriously in a competitive environment.
I think that's incredibly unrealistic actually.
I've even tried that experiment. Most non-gamers have trouble even understanding the concept of dual analog controls. Let alone juggling movement and aim, while processing HUD information and remembering what functions are binded to triggers and face buttons.
I've tried this experiment with Halo:CE on MCC. My subject couldn't even follow me to captain Keyes in the opening level. The idea of her being able to kill a single AI enemy on the easiest difficulty, after an hour of practice seems far fetched. The idea of her being able to kill an online multiplayer opponent; unfathomable.
What do you consider a comparable rudimentary level of success in golf? I'm most certain she could learn to hit a golf ball off of a tee, sooner than she could learn to aim at an attacking target in Halo.
BlitzerRadic
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Dont forget jenga
Thebeardofknowledge
Banned
Fuck no
What's next ? Giving gold medals to gamers in the Olympics ?
This is fucking gross and disrespectful
What's next ? Giving gold medals to gamers in the Olympics ?
This is fucking gross and disrespectful
CountAntonius
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You know gamers have nothing to do with these decisions right? X-Games and ESPN being desperate to capture the young gamer demographic is too blame for this crossover. It's silly you think the gamers have absolutely any say in this.
I for one really wish that the crossover attempts would stop so people can stop getting on their soapbox to bitch about e-sports and how cringey it is. E-Sports doesn't need to be accepted by sports fans or organizations it's doing fantastic on it's own and will continue to.
RomanceDawn
Member
This topic got me thinking, I want to see a massive fighting tournament!
Street Fighter, Smash Bros and Tekken divisions.
Kung Fu, MMA, and Tai Kwon Do divisions.
After the winners of each is crowned they should pit the 3 fighting game winners against the 3 martial arts winners.
Seriously though that woman is right. At the very least don't give the Halo players the same kind of garbage medal the X athletes get, give them a separate garbage X Games e-sports medal instead. That's what happened with Wushu in the 2008 Olympics. Wushu and China got robbed.
Street Fighter, Smash Bros and Tekken divisions.
Kung Fu, MMA, and Tai Kwon Do divisions.
After the winners of each is crowned they should pit the 3 fighting game winners against the 3 martial arts winners.
Seriously though that woman is right. At the very least don't give the Halo players the same kind of garbage medal the X athletes get, give them a separate garbage X Games e-sports medal instead. That's what happened with Wushu in the 2008 Olympics. Wushu and China got robbed.
Gherid__lacksGPS
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So I'm watching oldschool x games. Street luge, sky divimg, hawks 900, pastranas double backflip, McCoy and mirra vert doubles, danny blowing off his shoes on the mega ramp....etc. I'm actually getting even more pissed now lol. Those peeps did all the work and paved the way with their boddies, and some scrubs just walk on in. And again, its not about the medals, it never has been. Its about progression, taking the slams in the backyard so you can further define the identity of what x game were intended to represent.
And its not the gamers at fault, its ESPNs whore tactics.
And its not the gamers at fault, its ESPNs whore tactics.
Mass Effect
Member
Have to agree with her on this one.
Tinfoilhatsron
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Holy shit, now I get what those "exact same arguement" people are saying. Hilarious. Copy and paste arguement from the past man.
CaptainGyro
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Ok, so one "subject" in your "experiment" and now all of a sudden that shows compelling evidence that it's incredibly unrealistic to be able to occasionally kill some enemies an hour into playing Halo? . Seriously? And is there a study that shows that most non-gamers struggle with the concept of dual analog controls so much that it's highly unrealistic that they will be able to kill a few enemies within the first hours.?So little kids that play their first video game can't get the hang of dual controls within an hour of playing, and little kids haven't been able to start killing some enemies within an hour? Everybody is a non-gamer at one point. Yet newbies pick up and play video games constantly. Beginning people have been quickly picking up controls and learning the basicss of playing videogames in less than an hour for the last 30+ years, so where are you getting that my prediction is highly unrealistic? There is no heavy time investment needed to attempt to play at a basic level.
I also find your clam that your subject would have a harder time just aiming at a target to be downright bizarre. What possible reason could you have for thinking that it's harder to aim something ( which requires your hand/thumb and coordination) than it is to hit a golf ball with an unwieldy ( relative to a controller)club, which requires almost your whole body and coordination?
edit- i don't actually want to know your answer, because I know it's just going to be more nonsense like your "experiment".I can't do this topic anymore without going insane.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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I'm conflicted on this.
On one hand, she is right imo. While some of us have absolutely no interest in the X-Games (including myself) what these guys are doing put their entire lives at risk but at the end of the day, is a body demanding sport. I think they deserve some credit for years and years and years of practice, breaking body parts, crazy surgeries and some even losing the ability to compete any more - doing what they've dedicated their lives to. It's something extremely rewarding and something that I agree is so much deserving of a legit "Metal" in that sense.
On the other hand, gaming is just like a sport as well. Maybe no as demanding but it's full time for athletes to stop downgrading something they aren't good at either and give credit where credit is due. The same way they've made the choice to turn their bodies into flip high flying machines, it's the same way someone took that same time to strategize and perfect the game they are playing to be number one. Both are equally stressful competitions and while this one may not be physically demanding as her sport, it doesn't make it any less hard or less valuable than what she's doing.
So in conclusion, I don't think they should get "Metals" for their achievements, but i believe they deserve a separate segment in the X-Games that rewards them with something unique and doesn't take away from those who has made the X-Games what it is today.
On one hand, she is right imo. While some of us have absolutely no interest in the X-Games (including myself) what these guys are doing put their entire lives at risk but at the end of the day, is a body demanding sport. I think they deserve some credit for years and years and years of practice, breaking body parts, crazy surgeries and some even losing the ability to compete any more - doing what they've dedicated their lives to. It's something extremely rewarding and something that I agree is so much deserving of a legit "Metal" in that sense.
On the other hand, gaming is just like a sport as well. Maybe no as demanding but it's full time for athletes to stop downgrading something they aren't good at either and give credit where credit is due. The same way they've made the choice to turn their bodies into flip high flying machines, it's the same way someone took that same time to strategize and perfect the game they are playing to be number one. Both are equally stressful competitions and while this one may not be physically demanding as her sport, it doesn't make it any less hard or less valuable than what she's doing.
So in conclusion, I don't think they should get "Metals" for their achievements, but i believe they deserve a separate segment in the X-Games that rewards them with something unique and doesn't take away from those who has made the X-Games what it is today.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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Just to reiterate you realise X-games organisers have been inviting video game tournaments to attend right?
It's not like COD or Halo companies approached them demanding an event at the X-games. It's shared demographics and exposure, they probably should have created differing medals for the eSports stuff.
Also Snipedown's tweet is the stuff of legends.
It's not like COD or Halo companies approached them demanding an event at the X-games. It's shared demographics and exposure, they probably should have created differing medals for the eSports stuff.
Also Snipedown's tweet is the stuff of legends.
Consumer
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Many people here are generalizing & belittling both gamers and proponents of video games being categorized as sports, so yeah, I did some generalizing myself to prove the point that it's easy to dismiss either side of the argument. Both sides of this debate can be irrationally generalized in a condescending manner.
Nostremitus
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The fact that sitting and moving only your fingers and thumbs isn't a sport is not a generalization.
Otherwise, knitting and speed-knitting would also be sports.
Ceadeus
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Doing sport requires effort and strength. Requires lot of other things than the ability to beat the competition.
They sure don't have anything to do in this sort of competition.
Imagine the biggest video game competition but in the backgroung there is an half pipe with Tony hawk pro skater 5 written on it, and some unknown pros skating on it. Winning a video game medal.
They sure don't have anything to do in this sort of competition.
Imagine the biggest video game competition but in the backgroung there is an half pipe with Tony hawk pro skater 5 written on it, and some unknown pros skating on it. Winning a video game medal.
How is my experiment nonsense?
We are talking about taking a human being, who is naturally well versed at manipulating things in a physical world and asking them to manipulate things in a virtual world, without any significant tactile feedback?
For anyone who has every swung an object and hit something IRL (which is most people) I'd imagine that they'll be knocking putt-putt balls of a tee well before they'd achieve taking out enemy Spartans.
I haven't posted any scientist studies, and neither have you, but I think it's common knowledge that someone who has no experience manipulating objects in a virtual 3D environment will probably have a much easier time manipulating objects in a physical one.
The difficulty aiming at a target stems from unfamiliarity with the with joystick sensitivities and how inputs translate into onscreen actions coupled with the task of dealing damage, while avoiding death.
As far as little kids are concerned, I think it's very rare that an FPS is their first experience with gaming. I think it's safe to say that many first time gamers start manipulating avatars in a 2D space, before graduating to 3D. After that,many are exposed to 3rd person 3D before FPS. That sort of progression makes picking up the ability to competently aim much less daunting.
We're talking about people who have never played any sort of game before jumping straight into FPS. That person will surely knock a ball off of a tee sooner than they can wrap their head around FPS controls.
Diprosalic
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i bet everyone posting "Videogames shouldn't be at X-games" are the ones who haven't watched X-games in years.
and that's why they are there.
and that's why they are there.
Pictured: A thing that people compete in at the X-Games without hissy fits being thrown:
DontBeThatGuy
Member
that's certainly her opinion, and it's not exactly an insane one, but why she even gives shit is beyond me.
Nostremitus
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Pictured: A thing that people compete in at the X-Games without hissy fits being thrown:
You've raced before have you? That's a grueling endurance test that requires skill, reflexes, physical strength and stamina that happens to be in a car. It's not the same as playing Dirt with a racing wheel...
So yes, that's also nothing like sitting in a chair and just moving your fingers and thumbs...
...and before you say it, video games are not comparable to motocross either.